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31. Because I'm not an older conservative Republican perhaps?

Reply to AZ Progressive (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:29 PM

Jun 2015

That's how anti-TPP sentiment skews, and it's a shrinking minority, per these latest Pew Research figures.

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Pew Research, May 27: "Free Trade Agreements Seen as Good for U.S." [View all] ucrdem Jun 2015 OP

Looks like Stop the TPP isn't such a winning issue among younger voters and Hispanics: ucrdem Jun 2015 #1

Whoever sees this as the issue they think is going to treestar Jun 2015 #44

That's cool. But, then, why the organised pile-on when some of us express our concern about it? djean111 Jun 2015 #57

It does seem a job assignment that you have to hate it treestar Jun 2015 #60

Well then, I guess we will see, won't we. In the meantime, no votes from me for those who vote djean111 Jun 2015 #66

Would love to see where countries won't be able to negotiate drug prices. Hoyt Jun 2015 #72

"With all that said, I think our laws should limit ....." Joe Turner Jun 2015 #102

No you don't get it. Read about the international tribunals that use UN/WTO rules and Hoyt Jun 2015 #108

Are you going on record that the TPP will not supersede Joe Turner Jun 2015 #120

Yes. Of course, many of the so-called progressives here call it superseding when a country Hoyt Jun 2015 #121

Complete obfuscation of the point Joe Turner Jun 2015 #140

They have to show they've been discriminated against in favor of domestic corporations. Hoyt Jun 2015 #143

B/S they can show cause by the U.S. having a regulation that has a higher standard Joe Turner Jun 2015 #146

Do you have the language to prove that, or is "BS" your proof. Hoyt Jun 2015 #147

I don't know. How about the actual language of TPP Joe Turner Jun 2015 #153

So, now you've gone to talking trade deficits. Did you know plenty of economists Hoyt Jun 2015 #145

The same economics that have told us what a great deal free trade is? Joe Turner Jun 2015 #148

The manufacturing base has been sliding since first transistor radios, Chinese Finger Traps, and VWs Hoyt Jun 2015 #152

Yes, it is amazing what happens when a country Joe Turner Jun 2015 #155

You obviously fear foreigners. Better to embrace them and adapt. Hoyt Jun 2015 #162

Oh so that's it. Learning to adapt to lower standards Joe Turner Jun 2015 #165

Yep all the countries party to trade agreements are corporate bought, and you and a few self-styled Hoyt Jun 2015 #193

You seem to have no memory of the past Joe Turner Jun 2015 #195

Yet, they are party to these agreements because they want more trade and investment in their Hoyt Jun 2015 #197

They are party to these agreements like China and Japan Joe Turner Jun 2015 #199

They get better deals because they make better products. Hoyt Jun 2015 #200

America had the best products for decades Joe Turner Jun 2015 #202

Did you ever drive our 60/70s gas guzzlers. Heavy, crummy cars, unless you need a high Hoyt Jun 2015 #203

and that period in autos defines American quality? Joe Turner Jun 2015 #205

And, nobody wants our cars because they cost too much for what you get. Sorry, that's the truth. Hoyt Jun 2015 #211

Really? I thought these free trade deals were going to open up markets for us Joe Turner Jun 2015 #218

You do realize if a country opens an auto plan here, it brings good jobs. But, Hoyt Jun 2015 #220

I realize that this country has been blown out of 1 industry after another Joe Turner Jun 2015 #227

And TPP is trying to salvage what we can. Manufacturing jobs have been disappearing for 40 years Hoyt Jun 2015 #228

Your logic is circular Joe Turner Jun 2015 #229

It's amazing what money can buy Joe Turner Jun 2015 #62

Pew isn't a think tank per se, it's a polling company. ucrdem Jun 2015 #67

Nice to know Pew is doing God's work for democracy Joe Turner Jun 2015 #81

And they will be so hurt by it. ananda Jun 2015 #64

Liberal Democrats more likely than conservative Republicans to favor free trade: ucrdem Jun 2015 #2

Thanks for pointing that out. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #196

And yet, liberal Democrats in Congress who have actually read the damn thing Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #215

Is this hosrseshit supposed to be about TPP? eridani Jun 2015 #3

Yep. ucrdem Jun 2015 #5

Yep. Compliance with antidemocratic thuggery. It's a good thing! n/t eridani Jun 2015 #6

Executing old people is great too. Medicare doesn't really need that $700 million n/t eridani Jun 2015 #7

Thank the Democratic Senators who grandstanded for that one. ucrdem Jun 2015 #10

I'm thanking them by refusing to donate to any of them from now on n/t eridani Jun 2015 #14

Then don't complain when they solicit PAC donations. ucrdem Jun 2015 #17

Seriously, are bank accounts antidemocratic thuggery? ucrdem Jun 2015 #8

Whoring for corporate overthrow of public decisions is antidemocratic thuggery n/t eridani Jun 2015 #11

Evidenty the public HAS decided. They decided free trade is good for the US. ucrdem Jun 2015 #13

oops .. wrong place ucrdem Jun 2015 #15

And Germans voted the Nazis into power Trajan Jun 2015 #106

Godwin's law. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #111

Your op is a tribute to Hanlon's Razor. nt beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #117

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #235

I expect this will come was welcome news to the HRC campaign ucrdem Jun 2015 #4

That's pretty sad RobertEarl Jun 2015 #9

And when you drive your new electric car off the lot in a couple of years ucrdem Jun 2015 #12

I doubt the average American will be able to afford a new car in a few years betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #38

My region already has electric cars all over the place, without the TPP arcane1 Jun 2015 #47

What does democracy being alive have to do with electric cars? TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #238

Part hope, part hunch... ucrdem Jun 2015 #239

What does that have to do with a functioning democracy? TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #240

College Grads, Young People More Likely to View Free Trade Agreements As Helping Personal Finances ucrdem Jun 2015 #16

The farther in time we get from the last free trade agreement, the more people forget the harm done Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #27

Free-traders: liberal Dems, Hispanics, young voters. Protectionists: cons, Republicans, older voters ucrdem Jun 2015 #18

Only 5 chapters of the TPP are about trade. The rest is corporate giveaway. djean111 Jun 2015 #19

The poll is the most recent data we've got. ucrdem Jun 2015 #21

Here are the chapter subjects grouped by topic: ucrdem Jun 2015 #24

TPP at-a-glance ucrdem Jun 2015 #20

p.s. heres the latest direct link to the TPP text as of today, April 9, 2016: ucrdem Apr 2016 #245

The Democratic Party has been the low-tariff, high-trade party since the Civil War ended. FDR and pampango Jun 2015 #22

Thanks Pampango! ucrdem Jun 2015 #23

Trying to continue peddling TPP propaganda, its not about trade, its about SELLING OUT AMERICA AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #25

The propaganda works? shocking. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #26

Yes, in Vermont. ucrdem Jun 2015 #29

Why do you hate America? AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #28

Because I'm not an older conservative Republican perhaps? ucrdem Jun 2015 #31

So you don't believe what is being leaked out at all? So your calling everyone else liars? AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #33

There are lots of FUD-peddlers, yes, and I've been calling them out for as long as I've been here. ucrdem Jun 2015 #35

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are FUD-peddlers now? arcane1 Jun 2015 #45

Per the Pew poll their views on free trade are shared by a shrinking conservative minority. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #51

And Warren and Sanders are now conservatives according to you? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #83

PoliticusUSA, June 7: "Poll Finds 80% Of Republicans Agree With Bernie Sanders ucrdem Jun 2015 #154

You DISAGREE with him about Citizen's United??? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #156

I read it and CU isn't the only shared view. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #157

So disagreeing with Sanders re Citzens United and big money in politics is a bad thing. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #158

Didn't say that. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #159

You said: "Poll Finds 80% Of Republicans Agree With Bernie Sanders On Citizens United" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #160

I posted the article title and noted the content. The rest is on you. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #161

Nope. You made the claim so it's up to you to back it up. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #163

Actually you made the claim. Not me. ucrdem Jun 2015 #164

You claimed anti-TPP sentiment was "skewed" towards "older conservative Republicans" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #167

Sorry, you can keep on rolling but you're on your own. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #169

I've been on my own since I asked why you ignored crucial data in the op. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #172

He was so desperate for me to play along. However I decided not to feed him much. Rex Jun 2015 #225

I saw that. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #236

Perfect, you two can be each other's imaginary friends. ucrdem Jun 2015 #237

Experience has taught me not to jump on something without knowing all the facts AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #74

Huh? TPP is Republican trade legislation Joe Turner Jun 2015 #198

You seem to know very little about the TPP. Please educate yourself. Here are the links again: ucrdem Jun 2015 #201

People overwhelmingly support voter ID laws as well. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #30

Do you have a link to a reputable recent national poll showing that? ucrdem Jun 2015 #32

Well that was from talking to people but if you want a blue link. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #34

". . . according to a Fox News poll released this week." ucrdem Jun 2015 #36

here is another we could probably do this all day. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #39

Newsmax? ucrdem Jun 2015 #43

let me know when I get to one that you like Kalidurga Jun 2015 #52

Aug 14, 2012 ucrdem Jun 2015 #54

that's interesting treestar Jun 2015 #37

Not all Democrats understand all the issues. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #40

They don't understand it? Or they don't agree with you? Which is it? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #207

Both--they can't understand it if they don't agree. ucrdem Jun 2015 #210

!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #212

I'm smelling flop sweat from team Jules . . . ucrdem Jun 2015 #234

Especially among Hispanic, liberal, and younger Democrats at that. ucrdem Jun 2015 #42

Well, that proves that the marketing for it has been effective. arcane1 Jun 2015 #41

How many opponents can show that it hasn't? ucrdem Jun 2015 #49

So? This just proves to me sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #46

$ per word? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #48

Know whut I mean? ucrdem Jun 2015 #50

It takes a special kind of idiot to promote free trade for minimum wage. Marr Jun 2015 #73

I know, right? n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #137

The sleight of hand here is to test for free trade in general rather than the tpp specifically betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #53

See my post #56 below, the op was very choosy about the data. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #79

Did they only poll Internet corporate shills? HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #55

Yes, polls that challenge your preconceptions must be silly and meaningless. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #58

But of course polls can be worded to achieve a desired result. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #135

You're using selective excerpts to promote your cause and ignoring others: beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #56

It's a national poll about international trade treaties. ucrdem Jun 2015 #59

Since when is "a national sample of 2,002 adults" a concensus of Americans? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #61

If you have better, more accurate, or more recent data by all means post it. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #63

Unlike you, I wouldn't use such sketchy data to promote my pet cause. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #65

If you have better data, post it, TIA. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #70

Why? I used results from the poll in the op to point out that you put your own spin on it. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #71

As a statistics denier, do you also mistrust science? Hoyt Jun 2015 #75

I didn't deny statistics, I rejected the spin the op put on them. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #77

This should be good news for Hillary Joe Turner Jun 2015 #76

I think so. I think it's good news for Nov. 2016 ucrdem Jun 2015 #84

"it means a certain-single issue challenger is on the losing side" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #85

The TPP. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #86

So according to you, Bernie Sanders is only about the TPP... beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #87

"You cannot be on the fence on this one. You are either for it or you are against it. No fence- ucrdem Jun 2015 #90

Lol! Just because you can only see one issue doesn't mean we don't see the others. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #94

He's said several times that TPP was the key issue in his campaign. ucrdem Jun 2015 #98

Again: "pertaining or devoted to one public issue ONLY, especially a political one" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #104

I'm afraid you're grasping at straws. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #105

You don't even know the definitions of the words you're flinging around. You're the poster child for beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #115

Isn't it good news to distingush herself from Sanders and O'Malley Joe Turner Jun 2015 #89

I don't see the hurry but it will come out soon enough. ucrdem Jun 2015 #91

Why wait for the debate? Joe Turner Jun 2015 #97

Maybe because those bashes are going to boomerang? ucrdem Jun 2015 #103

Sure, keep on telling that to yourself Joe Turner Jun 2015 #114

It's simply amazing... yallerdawg Jun 2015 #68

LOL, yes it is amazing. ucrdem Jun 2015 #69

46% of Americans Believe In Creationism IDemo Jun 2015 #78

Most of them are republicans. Most republicans oppose TPP. Does not mean pampango Jun 2015 #134

Just trying to point out IDemo Jun 2015 #136

True. Polls are good for showing what people think. Not whether they are right or wrong. pampango Jun 2015 #141

U.S. Polling Shows NAFTA-style Trade Deals Becoming Even More Unpopular Rex Jun 2015 #174

There's no text in your message. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #180

It's the title of an article. So why should there be any? nt Rex Jun 2015 #182

You didn't post any article. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #185

That's okay I didn't plan to. Rex Jun 2015 #187

This subthread did not go very well LOL. ucrdem Jun 2015 #190

If you say so. Rex Jun 2015 #191

Cool MFrohike Jun 2015 #80

! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #82

Keep in mind that half the population can't name the 3 branches of government. Vinca Jun 2015 #88

Literacy test, check. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #92

If national polls are going to be reported and considered important, Vinca Jun 2015 #213

How would DU have reacted to FDR's International Trade Organization (and GATT), the IMF and World Bank pampango Jun 2015 #93

+ a bazillian. ucrdem Jun 2015 #95

Opposition to free trade is "libertarian"? Next tell me about the trickle down populists. Romulox Jun 2015 #99

Um, what? MFrohike Jun 2015 #107

Libertarians object to regulation and TPP is 29 volumes of regulation. ucrdem Jun 2015 #109

You're confused MFrohike Jun 2015 #112

Sorry, but regulating trade is what TPP is all about. ucrdem Jun 2015 #113

Hahahahahahaha MFrohike Jun 2015 #119

Let me make this easier for you . . . ucrdem Jun 2015 #124

Yeesh MFrohike Jun 2015 #126

3-sentence summary posted upthread, but you couldn't be bothered to click the link. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #129

It must be invisible MFrohike Jun 2015 #132

LOL, it's in my sig among other places. But ya gotta click it. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #149

Like I said, invisible MFrohike Jun 2015 #170

None so blind as those who will not see I guess. Done here. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #171

Heh MFrohike Jun 2015 #194

Speaking of invisible....check out Tom Tomorrow and the Invisible Hand neverforget Jun 2015 #204

That's a funny cartoon, but the TPP is the opposite of the invisible hand. ucrdem Jun 2015 #209

You're posting the sort of gibberish that only sways the profoundly ignorant. It's embarrassing. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #222

If by hyper-regulation you mean letting the corporations write the rules, then neverforget Jun 2015 #232

Libertarian is synonomous with classical liberal? yallerdawg Jun 2015 #138

Did I say that? MFrohike Jun 2015 #139

Is that a serious question? MFrohike Jun 2015 #101

GATT was "a general lowering of tariffs". The ITO was much more & included international regulations pampango Jun 2015 #118

Interesting point MFrohike Jun 2015 #122

"Pew" Research ...stinks! L0oniX Jun 2015 #96

More like "Pepe Le Pew" Research Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #214

My negative opinion on the TPP was hard won. cheapdate Jun 2015 #100

I wonder what the percentage is of people whose hometowns' unemployment rates skyrocketed gollygee Jun 2015 #110

OP has to rec his own corporate propaganda post. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #116

I always rec useful information, sue me. Here's some more: ucrdem Jun 2015 #123

Why aren't all of the other Hillary supporters joining you in your TPP crusade? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #125

I imagine they don't like being trolled but you can ask them yourself. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #127

From what I've seen they're no shrinking violets when it comes to defending their opinions. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #128

From what I've seen the trollery is 24/7. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #130

Anti-TPP opinion is trollery? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #131

You don't think they get paid per post, do you? yallerdawg Jun 2015 #142

They should be paying Skinner frankly. ucrdem Jun 2015 #150

Yay more corporate propaganda! whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #133

Maybe they think it's simply a trade agreement..don't realize full implications. madfloridian Jun 2015 #144

More likely they have better information. ucrdem Jun 2015 #151

But I didn't just use one source. There were others at the link. madfloridian Jun 2015 #168

Yes you did. ucrdem Jun 2015 #175

Okay here's my take: much ado about sovereignty (ISDS) = FUD of various grades. ucrdem Jun 2015 #208

Newsflash PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #166

U.S. Polling Shows NAFTA-style Trade Deals Becoming Even More Unpopular Rex Jun 2015 #173

There's no message in your message ... ucrdem Jun 2015 #176

Doesn't need to be. People are wising up to shitty deals made in secret. Rex Jun 2015 #177

That's called personal opinion. The OP is about an actual poll. ucrdem Jun 2015 #178

No it is the title of an article. Rex Jun 2015 #179

It's customary to post a link for those who don't have a Vulcan Mind Meld app. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #183

Oh okay if you say so. Rex Jun 2015 #184

This is your cue for "Looks like this thread isn't going like the OP thought" ucrdem Jun 2015 #188

Huh? Rex Jun 2015 #189

TPP is not about free trade. GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #181

It is the same kind of 'free trade' Reaganites pushed on us for decades. Rex Jun 2015 #186

Yes, fair trade, not "free" trade Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #216

It is really disappointing to see so many progressives on this site parrot 'free trade'. Rex Jun 2015 #221

Working Americans don't think shipping jobs overseas is good. The survey is absurd on it's face. GoneFishin Jun 2015 #192

Some of these rabid pro TPP posters make you wonder where they work Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #206

Absolutely Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #217

That's for sure. Pretty sure they don't work on an assembly line, or worry about being foreclosed on GoneFishin Jun 2015 #219

That has been proven, some of the loudest against OWS and pro Wall Street Rex Jun 2015 #224

Delusional indeed. Trusting poodles who the 1% would gladly serve up on a barbeque spit. GoneFishin Jun 2015 #230

The people who recommended this should be embarrassed. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #223

There are some that have no shame at all, none. Rex Jun 2015 #226

They are the same ones always pushing the mega-rich fake free trade agenda. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #231

Meanwhile back at the ranch . . . ucrdem Jun 2015 #233

Didn't see this but bookmarked and kicked and rec'd, ucrdem! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #241

Thanks BCD! ucrdem Nov 2015 #242

AFL-CIO and a few other trade unions have done a good job demonizing the TPP BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #243

Yeah the demagoguing was out of control and not helpful.` ucrdem Nov 2015 #244