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In reply to the discussion: "Oh @#$&. That's The Truth." [View all]Recursion
(56,582 posts)54. Read the ****ing quote. I posted it for you.
Rove said Suskind was in the "reality based community"
Rove said Rove was not in the "reality based community" because he creates his own reality
It's not that difficult.
Here are the surrounding two paragraphs:
In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
Who besides guys like me are part of the reality-based community? Many of the other elected officials in Washington, it would seem. A group of Democratic and Republican members of Congress were called in to discuss Iraq sometime before the October 2002 vote authorizing Bush to move forward. A Republican senator recently told Time Magazine that the president walked in and said: ''Look, I want your vote. I'm not going to debate it with you.'' When one of the senators began to ask a question, Bush snapped, ''Look, I'm not going to debate it with you.''
The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
Who besides guys like me are part of the reality-based community? Many of the other elected officials in Washington, it would seem. A group of Democratic and Republican members of Congress were called in to discuss Iraq sometime before the October 2002 vote authorizing Bush to move forward. A Republican senator recently told Time Magazine that the president walked in and said: ''Look, I want your vote. I'm not going to debate it with you.'' When one of the senators began to ask a question, Bush snapped, ''Look, I'm not going to debate it with you.''
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Yesterday I signed up a non-voter, someone who had no interest in voting, or in politics because she
sabrina 1
May 2015
#6
This should be its own OP, imo (last paragraph should be your lead). My sincerest
KingCharlemagne
May 2015
#41
No matter who, and no matter WHEN! This isn't just the 2016 market-tested "Sanders Brand"
arcane1
May 2015
#30
Right now he's the second favorite in a field full of obscenely well funded Corporate candidates.
sabrina 1
May 2015
#38
I hope Bernie wins the nomination just to watch him debate a Scott Walker or Donald Trump… LOL
world wide wally
May 2015
#10
Just once I would like to see who these "hate-filled "fan club" of DU purity trolls" that
Autumn
May 2015
#26
No, I even linked Suskind's article above. Rove said he *wasn't* in the reality based community
Recursion
May 2015
#52
You don't think solutions emerge from the observation of reality? You think Rove is right?
Recursion
May 2015
#60
Umm... you don't believe in studying reality to come up with solutions? You're like Karl Rove?
Recursion
May 2015
#63
You're the one who doesn't want to be in what Rove called "the reality based community"
Recursion
May 2015
#68
I likewise don't like the idea that the object of a discussion is to "change the opponent's mind".
delrem
Jun 2015
#73
Lol, I think you are correct. He's beating them already without anyone hardly
sabrina 1
May 2015
#33
I'd love to see Bernie go up against Santorum just for that image. Or Cruz. Fuck - nt
KingCharlemagne
May 2015
#42
Politics is in part the art of concealing the truth in order to get things done.
Orsino
May 2015
#46