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Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
15. Exactly what I have been running into!
Sat May 30, 2015, 12:11 PM
May 2015

I wrote anecdotaly about the same thing a little over a week ago. My neighbors are mostly by default apolitical (because they don't believe voting helps them in any way) - it is common among my peers (AKA the poor) and with good reason as politicians with the rare exceptions locally do absolutely nothing for them in their eyes (or in any objective sense IMO), they grow poorer, some become homeless, some of the younger ones escape via the military, but very few put any faith at all in politicians that don't appear to know or care that they exist.

These apolitical people are turning out to be more receptive to Bernie Sanders than any other politician I have ever canvased for. I have been asked for and given a total of 11 voter registration forms so far to people that do not vote, they actually want to vote for him in the primary, (Mostly because I explain to them how that is the important first step).

For many years politicians have completely ignored the poor and struggling working and non working people in America, they speak often and fondly of a middle class they would have us believe they love, they speak of them often, yet usually with vague platitudes and declarations of being "on their side".

I have been told by the self proclaimed poli sci gurus on this site that politicians don't seek the poor vote because the poor do not vote. I believe it is a self fulfilling prophecy, at least with our party that left the poor behind in a calculated shift regarding fiscal policies and a deliberate show of "toughness" on the useless eaters. the slackers, the undesirables starting with welfare reform that was meant more than anything to prove to the middle class Reagan lovers that they meant business, that they would be as tough on the little guy as Republicans, in effect they had to prove their street cred by starting to off some poor folks.

It worked all too well, they lost half of the voting population that easily one third used to vote reliably Democratic in pursuit of "the great greedy middle" that would rather a poor single mother lose her home and her child than they lose a dime of theirs to taxes.

The poor are not stupid, they know who their enemies are, they also know that for the first time in a long time (and the first time ever among the younger) there is a politician that speaks plainly rather than in vacuous riddles and half truths, and they hear him talk about them, they hear him talk about how he would like to help them. They finally have a champion, they finally are visible in Washington and the only thing thus far that has impeded my efforts to recruit voters via canvassing is the fact that I canvassed for Obama in '08 and I am remembered for the promises that he and I sold and he broke. I have found that with those I have lost credibility with because of a politician's broken promises, Bernie's consistent record can reverse the general distrust. So, Sabrina, make sure to keep all his past info handy for those that expect another bait and switch like last time, he is so consistent that it actually works in such cases.

"Oh @#$&. That's The Truth." [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2015 OP
... SoapBox May 2015 #1
Yes Mira May 2015 #2
Come on Manny! Get real! Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #3
Yep, that's the false truth we've been led to believe. Avalux May 2015 #23
Truth, Justice and the American Way aspirant May 2015 #4
Yep and I guess you know who I think that should be. zeemike May 2015 #40
and stage left May 2015 #72
But but but...optics! BrotherIvan May 2015 #5
Yesterday I signed up a non-voter, someone who had no interest in voting, or in politics because she sabrina 1 May 2015 #6
Exactly what I have been running into! Dragonfli May 2015 #15
What a fantastic post. It would make a great OP, maybe in the Bernie Forum. sabrina 1 May 2015 #37
This should be its own OP, imo (last paragraph should be your lead). My sincerest KingCharlemagne May 2015 #41
His no-bullshit, nothing-but-the-truth message hifiguy May 2015 #21
And that message doesn't change to appeal to each new audience n/t arcane1 May 2015 #28
That is a HUGE part of it. hifiguy May 2015 #29
No matter who, and no matter WHEN! This isn't just the 2016 market-tested "Sanders Brand" arcane1 May 2015 #30
Right now he's the second favorite in a field full of obscenely well funded Corporate candidates. sabrina 1 May 2015 #38
Way to go! I have been doing the same thing! Dustlawyer May 2015 #45
Excellent. JDPriestly May 2015 #48
What remains to be seen is if Americans can handle the truth Fumesucker May 2015 #7
History says no Mnpaul May 2015 #16
It's happening, and I like it. nt delrem May 2015 #8
Good Luck. KMOD May 2015 #9
Ah. He doesn't have $2.5B at his command. That's a big difference. delrem May 2015 #11
Martin O'Malley is NOT a Hillary supporter Divernan May 2015 #31
I hope Bernie wins the nomination just to watch him debate a Scott Walker or Donald Trump… LOL world wide wally May 2015 #10
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #12
Yes, of course you think that way, "ConservativeDemocrat". delrem May 2015 #14
+1 L0oniX May 2015 #24
Just once I would like to see who these "hate-filled "fan club" of DU purity trolls" that Autumn May 2015 #26
They don't exist. It's just name-calling to paint over a weak defense. arcane1 May 2015 #27
The use of the false dichotomy is perpetual. zeemike May 2015 #43
'reality based community' that brings back memories! Lol! sabrina 1 May 2015 #32
Nothing say's I'm a Democrat like a Autumn May 2015 #34
Lol! sabrina 1 May 2015 #35
Err... Rove said he *wasn't* in the reality based community Recursion May 2015 #47
Yes, Rove did indeed use the mindf*ing phrase. delrem May 2015 #49
He mockingly called progressives and moderates "the reality based community" Recursion May 2015 #50
Actually, Rove *defined* a so-called "reality based community", delrem May 2015 #51
No, I even linked Suskind's article above. Rove said he *wasn't* in the reality based community Recursion May 2015 #52
OK. We're at a wall. delrem May 2015 #53
Read the ****ing quote. I posted it for you. Recursion May 2015 #54
However, you are no longer responding to what I've written. delrem May 2015 #57
I don't question Rove's definition because it's correct Recursion May 2015 #58
Well there you go. You accept Rove's definition of political reality. delrem May 2015 #59
You don't think solutions emerge from the observation of reality? You think Rove is right? Recursion May 2015 #60
Sorry. I don't accept Rove's definition. That's a fucking no-brainer. nt delrem May 2015 #62
Umm... you don't believe in studying reality to come up with solutions? You're like Karl Rove? Recursion May 2015 #63
OK. You're WAY into Rove-speak. I've got that. delrem May 2015 #64
OK, fine, how would you define "reality-based community"? Recursion May 2015 #65
I told you, I reject the phrase. delrem May 2015 #69
Look at how my conversation has gone. delrem May 2015 #61
Well, when you ally yourself with Rove like you are on a Democratic board Recursion May 2015 #66
What you say about me is a lie, pure and simple. delrem May 2015 #67
You're the one who doesn't want to be in what Rove called "the reality based community" Recursion May 2015 #68
All I know is the quote came from Rove. It sure wasn't an endearment. Autumn May 2015 #70
I likewise don't like the idea that the object of a discussion is to "change the opponent's mind". delrem Jun 2015 #73
Check out his journal. neverforget May 2015 #39
Yes. It isn't without merit, though. delrem May 2015 #56
that was a really bad hide treestar Jun 2015 #74
I agree. delrem Jun 2015 #76
It'd be the greatest TV of a decade. delrem May 2015 #13
There would be nothing left of his opponent but a pair of smoking shoes. hifiguy May 2015 #20
Lol, I think you are correct. He's beating them already without anyone hardly sabrina 1 May 2015 #33
I'd love to see Bernie go up against Santorum just for that image. Or Cruz. Fuck - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #42
Thermonuclear obliteration. hifiguy May 2015 #44
It would look like the debate with Bachmann on CNN Mnpaul May 2015 #17
People are so astonished at this hootinholler May 2015 #18
k & r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #19
That's why I like Bernie so much. Avalux May 2015 #22
And a Kick and an R. BeanMusical May 2015 #25
Truth is so refreshing fadedrose May 2015 #36
Politics is in part the art of concealing the truth in order to get things done. Orsino May 2015 #46
Our country sorely needs to listen JEB May 2015 #55
The truth is powerful. 99Forever May 2015 #71
Let's call our opinions "the Truth" treestar Jun 2015 #75
K&R. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #77
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