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ellisonz

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Thu May 10, 2012, 02:16 PM

May 2012

The Statement of Purpose of this forum clearly states: "no religion...unless there is really big news." After some discussion, I do not believe this post meets the standard of "really big news," although it does name check the President's statement on marriage equality, the clear point of the post is to drag debate of religion into the General Discussion forum. Please feel free to repost in the religion forum: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1217 - Thank you for understanding.

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Until the "religious viewpoint" on anything is dismissed, we will never have real progress. [View all] cleanhippie May 2012 OP

Organized religion is a tool used to control people siligut May 2012 #1

Any organized effort requires control The2ndWheel May 2012 #9

Yes, we agree siligut May 2012 #39

"The religious viewpoint" ended slavery. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #2

Really? It was only the "religious viewpoint" that ended it? It was also the cause, too. cleanhippie May 2012 #3

In what way? The Friends (aka Quakers) were involved and even particiated in the underground RR AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #4

the abolitionists in general came at slavery from a religious viewpoint cali May 2012 #6

Once again, "a small minority." AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #12

This is why using something so subjective, and yet redqueen May 2012 #15

One could also argue that "the religious viewpoint" enabled slavery...nt SidDithers May 2012 #7

one could, but religion really wasn't a pillar of slavery cali May 2012 #10

Ignoring the dog that doesn't bark cthulu2016 May 2012 #17

Actually It Was, Ma'am, And They Did The Magistrate May 2012 #55

Yes, the Bible was used in support of slavery- but religion wasn't cali May 2012 #67

The catholic church has been against slavery since 1741. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #69

The thing about religion is that it can be used to justify anything. backscatter712 May 2012 #21

Thank you gratuitous May 2012 #11

I agree. I'm an atheist and I think the predjudice is unfair. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #19

I am not "attacking" anyone. I am asking liberal believers to stop empowering right-wing believers. cleanhippie May 2012 #20

In my experience "Liberal believers" largely rely on their religious viewpoint for political views lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #22

And this is why I posted my OP in the first place. cleanhippie May 2012 #29

Utterly False cthulu2016 May 2012 #13

Didn't Jesus describe the fair punishment or use of slaves? redqueen May 2012 #16

It merely didn't want to be contentious cthulu2016 May 2012 #18

Unless I'm mistaken, the Civil War ended slavery. daaron May 2012 #25

Also spearheaded the civil rights movement for African Americans. cbayer May 2012 #33

what nonsense. cali May 2012 #5

You're correct, but this may not be a left-right thing. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #8

Agreed. Agree 100%. Taverner May 2012 #14

The God Delusion must be exposed worldwide Roland99 May 2012 #23

I consider your analysis moronic: it is a lazy substitute struggle4progress May 2012 #24

The feeling is mutual. cleanhippie May 2012 #30

I don't doubt the feeling is mutual -- but I at least possess struggle4progress May 2012 #36

Oh, yes, you are so superior to me. cleanhippie May 2012 #38

We can catch more flies with honey than vinegar! daaron May 2012 #26

This is wrong, bigoted, offensive, and counter-productive. bananas May 2012 #27

When you casually throw aroundthe word "bigoted" like this... cleanhippie May 2012 #32

I wasn't casually throwing it around. nt bananas May 2012 #60

"I don't care if a person is gay, just don't be so open about it." ag_dude May 2012 #28

I don't see a call for suppression, merely for separation dmallind May 2012 #35

And we can still guarantee they still have full rights. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #43

Are you saying that being gay is a lifestyle choice that one makes? cleanhippie May 2012 #45

Elective abortion is a choice. Is it a right? Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #65

There is actually a difference Marrah_G May 2012 #63

You can also choose which political party to support and which papers to read Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #66

Statement of NC Clergy and Faith Leaders Against the Anti-LGBT Constitutional Amendment cbayer May 2012 #31

relevant to the OP's preference for the separation of religion and politics how? dmallind May 2012 #37

We can't and never will stop them. We can only counter them. cbayer May 2012 #51

Hm. That's a really good point, dmallind. daaron May 2012 #54

Any chance to take a swing at liberals of faith. Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #34

It is really unfortunate that you are unable to see beyond your own bias. cleanhippie May 2012 #40

THEIR bias?? Union Scribe May 2012 #48

So this is 'fake' progress? randome May 2012 #41

When I trade the word 'religion' in your premise for the word 'philosophy' LanternWaste May 2012 #42

Religion =/= Philosophy daaron May 2012 #59

Great post. This is very important. Zorra May 2012 #44

Thank you. cleanhippie May 2012 #46

My pleasure. Zorra May 2012 #49

Keep this bigoted shit in the religion forum. Union Scribe May 2012 #47

I suspect that due to the fact that it is religious people who fight gay marriage, redqueen May 2012 #52

So one line about current events Union Scribe May 2012 #62

It is "bigoted" to say "I don't agree with your ideas"? DefenseLawyer May 2012 #57

Really? You see this OP as "I don't agree with your ideas"? Union Scribe May 2012 #61

That's the way I see it, yes. DefenseLawyer May 2012 #68

Religion ProSense May 2012 #50

That's weird, because didn't you just Union Scribe May 2012 #53

At Least, Sir, So Far As Matters Concerning Gender Relations And Sexuality Are Concerned The Magistrate May 2012 #56

please post religion threads in the religion forums quinnox May 2012 #58

It's not a thread about religion DefenseLawyer May 2012 #64

Locking ellisonz May 2012 #70