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cleanhippie

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40. It is really unfortunate that you are unable to see beyond your own bias.

Thu May 10, 2012, 01:26 PM

May 2012

Because I am not taking a swing at liberal believers. This is directed at using unsubstantiated beliefs as a reason to push public policy.

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Until the "religious viewpoint" on anything is dismissed, we will never have real progress. [View all] cleanhippie May 2012 OP

Organized religion is a tool used to control people siligut May 2012 #1

Any organized effort requires control The2ndWheel May 2012 #9

Yes, we agree siligut May 2012 #39

"The religious viewpoint" ended slavery. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #2

Really? It was only the "religious viewpoint" that ended it? It was also the cause, too. cleanhippie May 2012 #3

In what way? The Friends (aka Quakers) were involved and even particiated in the underground RR AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #4

the abolitionists in general came at slavery from a religious viewpoint cali May 2012 #6

Once again, "a small minority." AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #12

This is why using something so subjective, and yet redqueen May 2012 #15

One could also argue that "the religious viewpoint" enabled slavery...nt SidDithers May 2012 #7

one could, but religion really wasn't a pillar of slavery cali May 2012 #10

Ignoring the dog that doesn't bark cthulu2016 May 2012 #17

Actually It Was, Ma'am, And They Did The Magistrate May 2012 #55

Yes, the Bible was used in support of slavery- but religion wasn't cali May 2012 #67

The catholic church has been against slavery since 1741. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #69

The thing about religion is that it can be used to justify anything. backscatter712 May 2012 #21

Thank you gratuitous May 2012 #11

I agree. I'm an atheist and I think the predjudice is unfair. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #19

I am not "attacking" anyone. I am asking liberal believers to stop empowering right-wing believers. cleanhippie May 2012 #20

In my experience "Liberal believers" largely rely on their religious viewpoint for political views lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #22

And this is why I posted my OP in the first place. cleanhippie May 2012 #29

Utterly False cthulu2016 May 2012 #13

Didn't Jesus describe the fair punishment or use of slaves? redqueen May 2012 #16

It merely didn't want to be contentious cthulu2016 May 2012 #18

Unless I'm mistaken, the Civil War ended slavery. daaron May 2012 #25

Also spearheaded the civil rights movement for African Americans. cbayer May 2012 #33

what nonsense. cali May 2012 #5

You're correct, but this may not be a left-right thing. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #8

Agreed. Agree 100%. Taverner May 2012 #14

The God Delusion must be exposed worldwide Roland99 May 2012 #23

I consider your analysis moronic: it is a lazy substitute struggle4progress May 2012 #24

The feeling is mutual. cleanhippie May 2012 #30

I don't doubt the feeling is mutual -- but I at least possess struggle4progress May 2012 #36

Oh, yes, you are so superior to me. cleanhippie May 2012 #38

We can catch more flies with honey than vinegar! daaron May 2012 #26

This is wrong, bigoted, offensive, and counter-productive. bananas May 2012 #27

When you casually throw aroundthe word "bigoted" like this... cleanhippie May 2012 #32

I wasn't casually throwing it around. nt bananas May 2012 #60

"I don't care if a person is gay, just don't be so open about it." ag_dude May 2012 #28

I don't see a call for suppression, merely for separation dmallind May 2012 #35

And we can still guarantee they still have full rights. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #43

Are you saying that being gay is a lifestyle choice that one makes? cleanhippie May 2012 #45

Elective abortion is a choice. Is it a right? Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #65

There is actually a difference Marrah_G May 2012 #63

You can also choose which political party to support and which papers to read Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #66

Statement of NC Clergy and Faith Leaders Against the Anti-LGBT Constitutional Amendment cbayer May 2012 #31

relevant to the OP's preference for the separation of religion and politics how? dmallind May 2012 #37

We can't and never will stop them. We can only counter them. cbayer May 2012 #51

Hm. That's a really good point, dmallind. daaron May 2012 #54

Any chance to take a swing at liberals of faith. Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #34

It is really unfortunate that you are unable to see beyond your own bias. cleanhippie May 2012 #40

THEIR bias?? Union Scribe May 2012 #48

So this is 'fake' progress? randome May 2012 #41

When I trade the word 'religion' in your premise for the word 'philosophy' LanternWaste May 2012 #42

Religion =/= Philosophy daaron May 2012 #59

Great post. This is very important. Zorra May 2012 #44

Thank you. cleanhippie May 2012 #46

My pleasure. Zorra May 2012 #49

Keep this bigoted shit in the religion forum. Union Scribe May 2012 #47

I suspect that due to the fact that it is religious people who fight gay marriage, redqueen May 2012 #52

So one line about current events Union Scribe May 2012 #62

It is "bigoted" to say "I don't agree with your ideas"? DefenseLawyer May 2012 #57

Really? You see this OP as "I don't agree with your ideas"? Union Scribe May 2012 #61

That's the way I see it, yes. DefenseLawyer May 2012 #68

Religion ProSense May 2012 #50

That's weird, because didn't you just Union Scribe May 2012 #53

At Least, Sir, So Far As Matters Concerning Gender Relations And Sexuality Are Concerned The Magistrate May 2012 #56

please post religion threads in the religion forums quinnox May 2012 #58

It's not a thread about religion DefenseLawyer May 2012 #64

Locking ellisonz May 2012 #70