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38. You have a strange sense of what is funny. n/t

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Can We Have A Toughtful/Respectful Discussion Of Civil Rights Versus Income Inequality ??? [View all] WillyT May 2015 OP

Do you want me to bore you nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #1

Yes... Bore Me Please !!! WillyT May 2015 #3

Well here is some info straight from the U.S Census Bureau nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #6

Thank You For That !!! WillyT May 2015 #9

I spend way too much quality time with this crap nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #12

I love George Carlin, but... NuclearDem May 2015 #2

You're Gonna Have To Elaborate... You've Never Heard Of Divide And Conquer ??? WillyT May 2015 #5

Yes, I've heard of the divide and rule criticism of identity politics NuclearDem May 2015 #13

See... That's Interesting... My First Political Activism Began With The Briggs Initiative In CA... WillyT May 2015 #17

So in your coalition... GummyBearz May 2015 #19

Nope, only ones not welcome are strawmen. NuclearDem May 2015 #23

I guess you only voted for obama's black half then? GummyBearz May 2015 #24

Oh, that reminds me, no sockpuppets either. NuclearDem May 2015 #28

+1...nt SidDithers May 2015 #48

You have a strange sense of what is funny. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #38

But at least we know them by their fruits, or some shit like that randys1 May 2015 #127

yes, straight white men are welcome hfojvt May 2015 #110

who are you "carrying water" for? what does that even mean? CreekDog May 2015 #128

it means hfojvt May 2015 #189

Please say who is carrying the water vs. who is drinking it CreekDog May 2015 #197

Are you still mad because that Black woman got YOUR job? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #135

actually that was a white woman hfojvt May 2015 #190

a white woman did not steal your job CreekDog May 2015 #207

I never said that she did hfojvt May 2015 #227

This community would support you in your struggles to find a decent job CreekDog May 2015 #231

I didn't say anything about affirmative action either hfojvt May 2015 #233

Hypothetically defensive Cal Carpenter May 2015 #148

Actually, I think some one who is concerned about class problems..... daleanime May 2015 #77

Agreed !!! WillyT May 2015 #144

Yes, supporting others ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #192

Unfortunately true, many would be allies will be seen as a divisive element.... daleanime May 2015 #203

Some of us can, others are tied up with the identity politics that the GOP are delighted distract us NYC_SKP May 2015 #4

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT May 2015 #7

I beg to differ ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #41

We've had this difference before, allow me to clarify. NYC_SKP May 2015 #71

+1 daleanime May 2015 #78

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT May 2015 #81

Maybe I'm not understanding ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #83

Reflect on your feelings toward straight, white, (Christian) males, you'll discover a problem. NYC_SKP May 2015 #85

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #89

Since you say you don't identify with the labels: white, male and straight CreekDog May 2015 #117

You're fabulous, CreekDog! I love how you can put two and two together and end up with... NYC_SKP May 2015 #120

Maybe we can whitesplain, straightsplain or MineralMan May 2015 #133

Exactly!!!! ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #155

Suffice to say, these three words the Knights of Me cannot hear. nt betsuni May 2015 #164

Boom. nt. Starry Messenger May 2015 #106

Assuming that you are very interested in race issues, JDPriestly May 2015 #111

I have addressed your point before in posts TM99 May 2015 #139

Thanks. JDPriestly May 2015 #161

Yes, I am very interested in discussing (and working to resolve) race issues ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #188

"our common grievance" What grievances would that include? JDPriestly May 2015 #201

I think you are missing my point ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #206

Thanks for the clear answer. JDPriestly May 2015 #229

No, I am not a HRC supporter ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #232

that's a funny statement though hfojvt May 2015 #113

Okay ... If that's what you got out of what I said. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #156

their 4th amendment rights questionseverything May 2015 #112

The random stops can happen to anyone but they happen far more rarely to white JDPriestly May 2015 #115

so if 85% of the victims of illegal stops are poc questionseverything May 2015 #191

In theory, there should be no illegal stops. JDPriestly May 2015 #200

stop and frisk is illegal because it violates the 4th amendment questionseverything May 2015 #204

Yep. Economic viability is the foundation necessary to make the demand for hifiguy May 2015 #102

They're more than intertwined, they're virtually synonymous 99th_Monkey May 2015 #8

Thank You For That !!! WillyT May 2015 #10

Excellent! Google "Hillary Clinton" "Economic Statecraft" and then see what you find. NYC_SKP May 2015 #15

Just Wow 99th_Monkey May 2015 #16

Anyone who things that major private corporations are transparent hifiguy May 2015 #107

Oh, Brother. That's a declaration of fealty to the corporate state. JDPriestly May 2015 #116

All of that is great; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #45

You have a point there. 99th_Monkey May 2015 #86

Plus a brazilian, 99th Monkey!! hifiguy May 2015 #103

Does anyone remember "the Poor People's Campaign"? G_j May 2015 #11

And we could do that right now nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #14

oh yea, G_j May 2015 #20

The problem is we have been on train wreck all day nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #27

unfortunately for the community the saftey system hadn't yet been installed on that stretch of rail. G_j May 2015 #33

Rachel spent 45 minutes on that nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #34

I agree G_j May 2015 #35

Yes, that is the point nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #36

Carlin was right FLPanhandle May 2015 #18

But he was a strait white male! GummyBearz May 2015 #21

Well, to be fair, it is about time fjords had their day. NuclearDem May 2015 #31

I'm a socialist who believes in solidarity between all oppressed people DemocraticWing May 2015 #22

Me Too !!! WillyT May 2015 #26

From your original OP statement ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #47

I read the post as saying both are very important. stillwaiting May 2015 #80

THANK YOU !!! - EXACTLY !!! WillyT May 2015 #137

As Benjamin Franklin so deftly put it. hifiguy May 2015 #123

I happen to believe that racism, homophobia, sexism, etc. are tools of the capitalist system DemocraticWing May 2015 #150

It's too early to provide links JustAnotherGen May 2015 #170

I don't think it's an intentional dog whistle daredtowork May 2015 #25

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT May 2015 #29

Well said JustAnotherGen May 2015 #171

"Blacks are overwhelmingly Democratic voters." Behind the Aegis May 2015 #172

Funny how that works BTA? JustAnotherGen May 2015 #173

Seems like lots of "giddys" got "harshed." Behind the Aegis May 2015 #199

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #209

I had to read this three times ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #208

lol, sorry it was that difficult to read! XD nt daredtowork May 2015 #210

KNR. They are interdependent issues. DirkGently May 2015 #30

I Think So Too... WillyT May 2015 #32

Dig it. The people who think the two are divisible are well off, straight white men for the most Bluenorthwest May 2015 #37

+1...thousand! Behind the Aegis May 2015 #50

The OP has often posted that 'civil rights hardly matter at all' and such. But the OP never bothers Bluenorthwest May 2015 #56

correct. posters for years that have told us sj is a minor issue, not significant, ect... now seabeyond May 2015 #58

"pushing us to the back of the bus"... NaturalHigh May 2015 #59

no. i do not bother to answer, when you ask me questions. correct. seabeyond May 2015 #60

LOL...well alrighty then. NaturalHigh May 2015 #62

i have and do answer, in detail, with those without agenda. also, having discussions with you and seabeyond May 2015 #64

"no since even bothering with that" NaturalHigh May 2015 #67

each and fuckin' every one of you are so damn predictable. hence... done seabeyond May 2015 #69

Each and every one of whom? NaturalHigh May 2015 #70

My guess would be those who constantly trivialize sexism and bigotry. JTFrog May 2015 #121

Hello JTFrog. Always good to see you. NaturalHigh May 2015 #132

+1. n/t obnoxiousdrunk May 2015 #79

I have to disagree ... a bit ... I think ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #97

They cannot be separated BrotherIvan May 2015 #39

"They cannot be separated" hifiguy May 2015 #124

I know he is no longer popular TM99 May 2015 #40

What you fail to fathom is that poverty is very often caused by discrimination, privilege dynamics Bluenorthwest May 2015 #63

"level the current playing field at all." this is how i bottom line the difference. absolutely. seabeyond May 2015 #68

Level the field. Look at the legislation such as ERA and ENDA which have languished in Congress Bluenorthwest May 2015 #72

absolutely. we had a scj tell women we are not included in 14th. we have a st senator demanding seabeyond May 2015 #74

I have always said that we do this together or we will ... sheshe2 May 2015 #134

This is why I dislike so strongly 'privilege theory'. TM99 May 2015 #75

here is the difference. i love this conversation, because it allows me to unravel the mess we live. seabeyond May 2015 #76

You are privileged enough to think you as a stranger on the internet can tell me what I think when Bluenorthwest May 2015 #92

He addressed your points here: Maedhros May 2015 #105

How did that address those points? kcr May 2015 #157

No, the bit about how civil rights (e.g. marriage equality) is part of the safety/security Maedhros May 2015 #166

If you are fearing for your safety, TM99 May 2015 #168

You do realize that it is privilege that leads to the discrimination and inequality you talk about kcr May 2015 #249

Dismiss away. TM99 May 2015 #250

Gravity is wholly unnecessary to explain why things fall! kcr May 2015 #251

Yes, because a theory TM99 May 2015 #252

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2015 #168

I read your post clearly and here are some choice quotes. TM99 May 2015 #136

Your explanation is sound. Thank you. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #104

Agreed. Second. nt hifiguy May 2015 #140

Oppression creates poverty gollygee May 2015 #66

Did I say anywhere that eliminating oppression was not necessary? TM99 May 2015 #73

I want to add that MLK understood that militarism was also part of the deadly equation along G_j May 2015 #42

People keep talking about this identity politics "divide and conquer" is a tool of the 1% thing ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #43

Great Point... Thank You For That !!! WillyT May 2015 #46

Reading this OP and your replies, it's really obvious that you don't fully understand the issue at Number23 May 2015 #118

Yeah, it also gives one wrist cramps from typing the same things over and over. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #51

I think you have something here ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #52

"It's classism, stupid""economic (in)justice." good point seabeyond May 2015 #55

and another. yes. also. how some can start a thread on this issue, and some are not allowed seabeyond May 2015 #54

+1. yes. nt seabeyond May 2015 #53

+1 gollygee May 2015 #65

Thank you for much more eloquently saying what I clumsily tried to upthread. NuclearDem May 2015 #82

Oh, you were quite clear in your comment. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #84

For a number of years, I worked for a homeless project that mostly helped JDPriestly May 2015 #125

Oh, how I wish white people would stop telling me about my life's experience ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #152

Do you really wnat social justice? If so, what i your plan to achieve it? JDPriestly May 2015 #160

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #177

^^Excellent Post^^ Bobbie Jo May 2015 #186

NO, repeatedly. AND everyone else is suppose to shut the fuck up. ya. nt seabeyond May 2015 #193

Yep- petty examples. But as you admit- you have no idea what it is like. bettyellen May 2015 #153

Do you think there is any way for me or someone like me to have an "idea what it is like?" JDPriestly May 2015 #159

No. There is not ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #187

What is the point of raising an issue if you don't think anything JDPriestly May 2015 #202

These questions you are asking ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #211

Well it's obvious to me that you don't come close to understanding how bad it is for women when your bettyellen May 2015 #246

now there's definitely a trend toward masking economic brutality with "but WE don't believe MisterP May 2015 #44

Whether we can or not, is there a reason to? Jim Lane May 2015 #49

first, if this is addressed, one should take a look at the definition to understand WHAT is being seabeyond May 2015 #57

Great find! ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #87

Why pit them against each other? MineralMan May 2015 #61

Because the parties find it an extremely convenient way to divide the electorate Fumesucker May 2015 #100

The Parties are not making this OP every few weeks, WillyT is doing that. Several people have asked Bluenorthwest May 2015 #212

*Not when the question is phrased as antagonistic, using "versus"* ismnotwasm May 2015 #88

Damn impressive! Behind the Aegis May 2015 #90

I should have added "Straight" ismnotwasm May 2015 #91

MLK wasn't shot until he started talking about class. nt TBF May 2015 #93

What the actual fuck? ismnotwasm May 2015 #94

What word confuses you? nt TBF May 2015 #95

Not any particular word ismnotwasm May 2015 #114

Crap like this gets said here almost every day. And most of us are sick and tired of trying to Number23 May 2015 #119

I can't even.. ismnotwasm May 2015 #130

Black posters and clued in white ones are done talking about it Number23 May 2015 #138

This is beyond shameful. ismnotwasm May 2015 #141

No. Just ignorance ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #213

+ eternity. sheshe2 May 2015 #151

+ beyond shameful eternity betsuni May 2015 #162

It's true (although he was stabbed and beaten before that). Ken Burch May 2015 #122

You all are confusing the hell out of me. ismnotwasm May 2015 #131

Look, as a female leftist I am told all the time to ignore TBF May 2015 #142

I'm not so sure about that. There's been a lot more oppression toward lovemydog May 2015 #178

Well the thing I find interesting currently TBF May 2015 #194

" the anti-police protests." that would be social justice that we humbly ask... let be a part of seabeyond May 2015 #195

I'm convinced it has to be both TBF May 2015 #221

both would be nice. it would also be nice for social to at the LEAST be on a level playing field. seabeyond May 2015 #223

Good points and I agree. nt TBF May 2015 #228

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #214

Perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #215

why are women, blacks, gays defined as a fuckin wedge issue. if that does not reinforce EVERYTHING seabeyond May 2015 #224

Could that have been because those behind the killing knew ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #98

You gotta be kidding me. zappaman May 2015 #149

Gay marriage really is an argument killer here Prism May 2015 #96

Might I suggest ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #99

The division of economic vs. social justice on DU originates from socially-liberal Maedhros May 2015 #109

Really ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #216

I agree. JDPriestly May 2015 #101

This only came up because some posters started minimizing the lived experiences Starry Messenger May 2015 #108

To be honest BrotherIvan May 2015 #126

And how do ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #217

ya. let us white dudes tell you people of color, just hang on by fingernails for a while longer, seabeyond May 2015 #225

I guess I don't understand what you mean BrotherIvan May 2015 #247

My stance doesn't change. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #129

Yes apparently we can Omnith May 2015 #143

But That's Why People Come Together To Make Change... Political Parties, Coalitions, Unions... WillyT May 2015 #145

I'm not oppose affecting change. Omnith May 2015 #146

I haven't read all the comments, JEB May 2015 #147

You did this thread already back in March....a person has to wonder what the motive is. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #154

Hmmm. Food for tought. nt betsuni May 2015 #165

Yes it is. And in that thread and this one, more than one poster asked the OP what his objectives Bluenorthwest May 2015 #185

Racism and Discrimination are divisive. Advocating for Civil Rights is not divisive. fishwax May 2015 #158

"your problems are not my problem, but my problem--that's our problem" Number23 May 2015 #163

I don't get the 'vs' part AgingAmerican May 2015 #167

Virtually every poster who pushes this so-called "conflict" is a Third Wayer or Hillary shill. nt Romulox May 2015 #174

The people who say "racism is a tool of the 1% used to divide us" are third wayers? n/t gollygee May 2015 #176

Add disingenuous to the list, I guess. Romulox May 2015 #180

That's the conflict I see pushed gollygee May 2015 #181

I was responding to the OP, not to your inner dialogue. Romulox May 2015 #182

I don't know why you'd respond to something I wrote gollygee May 2015 #183

My post to you was a response to your "so you are saying," style strawman in post #176, Romulox May 2015 #184

What the actual Fuck? ismnotwasm May 2015 #179

I think it is called "wishful projection." Behind the Aegis May 2015 #198

I don't know how more appalled I can get. ismnotwasm May 2015 #218

But these are my (supposed) "allies"!!!! n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #220

Unbelievable ismnotwasm May 2015 #226

Horrified because I believe the so-called conflict between economic and social justice is bogus? Romulox May 2015 #234

Yup. ismnotwasm May 2015 #242

OK. I just wanted to make sure you weren't making a substantive point that I was missing. nt Romulox May 2015 #243

Now you went and hurt my feelings. Damn. ismnotwasm May 2015 #244

Or, they are PoC, and members of other marginalized groups. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #219

Being a PoC and being a Third Wayer aren't mutually exclusive. Romulox May 2015 #235

True; but you missed my point ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #236

The idea that maintaining economic inequality helps PoC is a non-starter, for me. nt Romulox May 2015 #237

Who has argued that? n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #238

This guy: NuclearDem May 2015 #245

I think that LWolf May 2015 #175

Cash in your face. Gormy Cuss May 2015 #196

I was hoping you'd step up and explain why you keep posting virutally identical OPs every few weeks. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #205

LOL. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #222

It's About Coming Together And Uniting... Why Are You Against That ??? WillyT May 2015 #239

That's bully boy behavior to accuse me of having 'monied interests' and frame my Bluenorthwest May 2015 #240

You've just proved you don't want a "Toughtful/Respectful" discussion. betsuni May 2015 #241

It's really hard for me to wrap my head around the idea kcr May 2015 #248

Here's a history lesson: women, people of color, poor immigrants, and LGBT people... YoungDemCA May 2015 #230