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In reply to the discussion: I'm starting to think hate speech IS a crime [View all]Gman
(24,780 posts)2. I'm aware of Brsndenburg and
The key quote is
In 1969, the Supreme Court's decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio effectively overturned Schenck and any authority the case still carried. There, the Court held that inflammatory speech--and even speech advocating violence by members of the Ku Klux Klan--is protected under the First Amendment, unless the speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action" (emphasis mine).[\blockquote]
I really think Geller's show was directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.
So how do you prove intent? I think it could be done.
I don't think saying "Bush and Cheney are war criminals" rises to that level. Insulting someone's deity when it is known to cause violence, I think, is.
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So to be clear, you think "insulting someone's deity" should be illegal.
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#17
"hate speech should not be illegal, it should be countered with more speech."
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#12
Why didn't this thread about hate speech/inciting violence get rec'd?
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#35
Rick Warren called us pedophiles days before he was the Inaugural Minister and DU supported that.
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#72
"I fucking hate it when people want to criminalize speech because they don't like what's being said"
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#18
People keep comparing Pam Geller to Fred Phelps. Okay, so then handle her the way Fred Phelps was
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#23
“I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side..."
cherokeeprogressive
May 2015
#11
And Hitler and Stalin killed in the name of Nazism and Communism, not Atheism.
Yorktown
May 2015
#47
My only point was that religion is not the ONLY ideology that lends itself to violent extremism
whathehell
May 2015
#77
And neither religion OR ideology always creates violence -- Greed, anger and hate come in
whathehell
May 2015
#107
No, that would be like saying that ideology "is in itself a cause of violence"
whathehell
May 2015
#116
Every religion I have studied says that 'change' or redemption requires acts of penance and making
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#81
So you are claiming that you changed? That you are no longer a transphobe?
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#91
If the Christian decides to get so mad over it, they become violent.. apparently, yes.
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#26
Hey, aren't you the guy who teaches kids in CCD(Catholic Sunday School) that LGBT people are...
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#55
If gay people were to start shooting people in reaction to it, THEN the speech would be criminal.
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#57
I just find it fucking funny that we have openly homophobic and transphobic people...
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#58
Is it a crime when we do it here against Republican thieves and psychos?
True Blue Door
May 2015
#62
Free speech does allow you to shout "Fire" in a crowded theatre. People always get that quote wrong.
Donald Ian Rankin
May 2015
#69
Schenk: urging people to resist the draft. Dreadful decision, not applicable.
Warren Stupidity
May 2015
#70
In the US each year the FBI calls an average of about 1,200 crimes against LGBT as bias crimes
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#80
Given the author of the OP, they would probably blame the organizers of the LGBT events. n/t
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#92
You keep refusing to address direct questions and challenges to your vile concept so let's just cut
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#74
is it a crime to yell "fire" in a crowded theater if the theater is on fire?
DeadEyeDyck
May 2015
#83
The actual decision concurred with criminalization of advocating draft resistance.
Warren Stupidity
May 2015
#90
"Is there value to the democratic process in Geller's speech?" That shouldn't matter.
Throd
May 2015
#93
Striking that your cases are all from before the 1960s and modern First Amendment jurisprudence.
Unvanguard
May 2015
#110