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DanTex

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7. On the other hand, one big difference is that Gore's argument that our economy was going to
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:11 AM
May 2015

grow hugely by exporting more stuff to Mexico, or that if we don't sign NAFTA then Mexico is going to somehow leave the US behind and team up with Japan, those strike me as pretty dumb on face.

On the other hand, most of the countries that are part of TPP are wealthy, comparable to the US in per capita economic statistics. E.g. Japan, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan. There are exceptions, notably Vietnam. But, still, arguing that more and freer trade with Japan and Korea would benefit us is much more plausible than the Mexican exports miracle that Gore was promising. And also, it is a fact that some of these nations do discriminate against US companies with non-tariff barriers, the Japanese auto market being an example.

And second, the geopolitical significance of TPP is real, in that we're talking about consolidating US economic influence in China's backyard, as opposed some phony fear that Mexico is going to leave us behind by trading with Japan or whoever.

Still, it's true that a lot of the core arguments are the same, including "this time is different" and "this is our chance to raise labor and environmental standards in other countries" and so on.

Here's the link to the video of the debate between Gore and Perot. Interesting. DanTex May 2015 #1
oops. thanks for posting that, Dan. I meant to and then forgot. cali May 2015 #2
It wasn't just VP Gore Motown_Johnny May 2015 #3
Paul Krugman on NAFTA (since we're going back to see who said what): KittyWampus May 2015 #9
I have to admit, the similarities are remarkable. DanTex May 2015 #4
yeah, President Obama is leagues more charismatic than Gore cali May 2015 #6
On the other hand, one big difference is that Gore's argument that our economy was going to DanTex May 2015 #7
except very little in the TPP actually deals with traditional trade issues cali May 2015 #8
True, but non-tariff barriers are real things. DanTex May 2015 #10
Widespread damage to American jobs, unions and economic security for many cities & appalachiablue May 2015 #5
Not to worry. After the TPP is implemented they can "fix" it later. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #11
Nah, you're messing up the talking points: The TPP is great and will fix NAFTA cali May 2015 #12
Kinda like burning down all the trees will stop a forest fire. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #13
This is as important as the Freddie Gray developments and deserves discussion riderinthestorm May 2015 #14
If it looks like shit, and smells like shit, it's most likely shit AZ Progressive May 2015 #15
That's what irks me as much as the deal itself Populist_Prole May 2015 #16
they always do: every few months some twatwaffle who's been here 7 weeks MisterP May 2015 #17
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