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In reply to the discussion: So now it is official -- Snowden has leaked MILITARY intelligence secrets [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)75. Yes because the United States has an inalienable right to
CNE operators can do much more than that. It's part of a larger effort by the U.S. to "use the net to paralyze computer networks and, by doing so, potentially all the infrastructure they control, including power and water supplies, factories, airports or the flow of money," Der Spiegel wrote earlier this year.
Because attacking infrastructure is a legitimate wartime target, so where is the war? You know, pesky declaration of war? Wait, we don't have one? Oh well, a mere technicality.
Seriously Snowden haters let's get real for a minute. This bullshit is actually nothing more than the more modern version of the old Navy program called Operation Ivy Bells. Operation Ivy Bells was exposed when it was found out, by the Soviet Union in the Cold War. Reagan was President when the Russians found out. That means Snowden was in diapers, or nappies depending on what you call them, and if you're going to blame the Russians for finding one of these and putting it in their Museum then that's just asinine.
All of this was discussed by the book Blind Man's Bluff and while the book ended with the fall of the Soviet Union, it also said that the Navy was still tapping cables while Clinton was President. If there was an underwater cable, it would be tapped by the Navy in the modern incarnation of Project Ivy Bells.
Here's the NY Times review of the book. https://www.nytimes.com/books/98/12/20/reviews/981220.20naftalt.html
So the big secret that Snowden let out was that the CIA/NSA/Who the fuck knows are still doing what they were in 1998, when the book Blind Man's Bluff came out. Since that time, there have been many more books about the era, and subsequent programs that are not exactly declassified, but are not generally speaking, acknowledged. Wow, that Damn Snowden. That bastard. That treasonous fuck. Am I outraged enough yet?
If you want to know how the cables are tapped, then read the book Blind Man's Bluff. If you want to pretend that nobody knew anything about this shit before your sworn enemy Snowden gave the briefing documents to Greenwald, you're free to. You would be dancing in the dumb side of the delusional line, but you're free to do that too.
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So now it is official -- Snowden has leaked MILITARY intelligence secrets [View all]
Blue_Tires
Apr 2015
OP
The individuals who abused these programs and spied illegally on allies and the American people...
951-Riverside
Apr 2015
#2
Depends on how you interpret the 4th Amencment to the Constitution of the United States.
merrily
Apr 2015
#60
No, that was not his primary objective. The knee-jerk emotional reaction is simply a sideshow
cui bono
Apr 2015
#24
I wouldn't call a RW disinfo stunt criticism, and I wouldn't idolize the perps. nt
ucrdem
Apr 2015
#25
Who is this "voluntary poster boy of a disgusting RW hit job" of which you speak?
cui bono
Apr 2015
#30
I don't think so. Help me understand your assertions if you would like a discussion. n/t
cui bono
Apr 2015
#32
Indeed. It's no coincidence that the biggest Snowden attackers are almost, 1 for 1, the biggest
Marr
Apr 2015
#65
So, I was just as disgusted over exposing Valerie Plame as I am with this latest revelation
Sheepshank
Apr 2015
#104
You mean the Obama that talked about the spy community months before Snowden went to China?
uponit7771
Apr 2015
#98
Not sure why you believe this information would discredit him in any way, I see nothing that
AuntPatsy
Apr 2015
#6
I honestly don't see how any of this tells anyone anything they didn't already know.
leveymg
Apr 2015
#7
The more both sides know about each other (within reason), the safer we all are.
leveymg
Apr 2015
#44
" . . . just hide embarrassing stuff the Russians already know from the American public."
Major Hogwash
Apr 2015
#80
The article's author asks in the Comments: "What is the damage"? It's already in the Public Domain.
99th_Monkey
Apr 2015
#9
You do realize that many books get published without approval of the military right?
neverforget
Apr 2015
#87
Do you have anything other than your opinion on this? I really want to know
neverforget
Apr 2015
#92
Tell me again how a submarine in the Red Sea is performing missions vital to
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#13
You've buried your questions in a ridiculous thread that most folks have tuned out
riderinthestorm
Apr 2015
#96
nnnnnnnooooo, no he isn't....not with me at least. Exposing the government in the dumbest way possib
uponit7771
Apr 2015
#101
First of all, you need to tell us what the military intelligence secret was that you think
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#39
If you mean it got an upgrade in 2014, then that can't come from Snowden
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#57
You're the one who has christened this article a 'leak', and credited it to Snowden
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#91
You've been refuted by the fact that people post pictures of the Obama family!
alcibiades_mystery
Apr 2015
#66
Thanks for exposing the Snowden Lies & Hypocrisy for the 2 years, Blue Tires. So appreciate it.
Cha
Apr 2015
#93
So, when the Navy said in 2008 the Annapolis supported national security
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#20
The important issue is not what was leaked, but whether it was already known or not and how much it
merrily
Apr 2015
#55
Coincidentally, 2014 was also the year that Sony, Target, iCloud, Spotify, e-bay, Nieman Marcus,
ucrdem
Apr 2015
#56
It was after all, Snowden who bungled the openssh implementation that provided a gaping exploit
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2015
#64
Aw, you're full of it, Blue_Tires. Snowden only turned over info to 'responsible journalists'.
randome
Apr 2015
#67