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23. Before the crash we had an unsustainable wild bubble economy
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:57 AM
Mar 2015

It's true we're not recovered to the level of the housing bubble years or even the tech bubble years in most statistics. But pre-crash was the height of the sick feverish unsustainable housing bubble economy when people were using their homes as ATMs to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars a year. And the financial sector was booming like crazy on derivatives. I don't think that's the economy we should want or compare to or pine and sigh for.

The past year has been particularly heartening (for the most part):

Over the last year (last 12 months):
+3,296,000 Payroll Jobs (Establishment Survey, CES0000000001)
+1,314,000 Labor Force
+2,996,000 Employed
-1,682,000 Unemployed
+0.5% Employment-To-Population Ratio aka Employment Rate
-0.2% LFPR (Labor Force Participation rate)
-1.2% Unemployment rate
-1.6% U-6 unemployment rate (It includes anyone that looked for work even once in the past year)
-569,000 Part-Time Workers who want Full-Time Jobs (Table A-8's Part-Time For Economic Reasons)
+ 89,000 Part-Time Workers (Table A-9)
+2,975,000 Full-Time Workers (Table A-9)
+3.19% INFLATION ADJUSTED Weekly Earnings of Production and Non-Supervisory Workers

I also note that the U.S. is about the only developed economy that is showing decent growth. Japan wavers between recession and being barely out of recession. Europe is just barely above water growth-wise.

As for how bad wages are -- here is the average hourly wage of production and non-supervisory employees, adjusted for inflation (and expressed in chained 1982-1984 dollars)

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000032



Note this statistic does not include CEOs or any other kind of executive. This doesn't include business owners. This doesn't include managers or supervisors. These are all people working for someone else for a paycheck who have noone reporting to them. These are not the financial and economic glitteratti. And yet they are doing better than under Bush, even better than under Clinton.

Here's the series without inflation-adjustment: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000008

The shortest summary for all things republican " The SAME wrong answer for everything". Vincardog Mar 2015 #1
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again hifiguy Mar 2015 #9
They don't expect different results mindwalker_i Mar 2015 #11
Says the Person with the Karl Marx Avatar On the Road Mar 2015 #109
The Problem Is That The Corrupt MSM And Hate Radio Will Claim It For Them. TheMastersNemesis Mar 2015 #2
Imagine how much better a recovery it would be if Johonny Mar 2015 #3
sorry but the only people who are benefiting from any perceived recovery are the rich. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #4
There are tons of good, middle-class IT jobs. tridim Mar 2015 #6
My middle class job was offshored along with abelenkpe Mar 2015 #13
Anecdote, meet data whatthehey Mar 2015 #24
Actually the chart shows "jobs" created. Not good paying middle class jobs, just "jobs". hughee99 Mar 2015 #30
10 million+ jobs bhikkhu Mar 2015 #27
I'm doing quite well now Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #42
Well good for you. There are many of us who are doing worse than 2009 because liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #53
Y/Y inflation is 0.0%, weekly wage growth is up 2.1 %....and there are other reasons than mentioned. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #54
Except everthing imthevicar Mar 2015 #94
Inflation Truthers? It never ends with Republicans - good economic news is being desperately denied. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #96
Republican!? LOL! imthevicar Mar 2015 #107
One person's experience is not the economy, Ok? Anger is not evidence. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #108
Do you honestly think them thar guvmint bureaucrats don't look at how many ounces there are? progree Mar 2015 #99
Look, imthevicar Mar 2015 #106
I'm not saying inflation does not exist! I'm just saying them thar guvmint bumbling bureaucrats progree Mar 2015 #112
AH-Choo imthevicar Mar 2015 #113
See #97. I too have a huge allergy to bullshit. progree Mar 2015 #114
Good for me and my rich friends Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #57
glad to know you have such compassion for the millions whose low paying jobs liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #58
Every time I go to the grocery something has gone up at least a dollar. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #59
That sucks. I'm sorry. I completely agree. The cost of food is completely ridiculous. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #60
All measures of income and wages are up when measured in raw (not inflation adjusted) dollars progree Mar 2015 #100
Same here Roland99 Mar 2015 #62
Way to go Uncle Pennybags Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #79
Awesome news! Roland99 Mar 2015 #80
All-some-none. cheapdate Mar 2015 #63
Way to flaunt your wealth Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #64
well as long as you got yours who cares if other are suffering right? liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #69
Then you're going to miss this recipe I found for you to help you get by Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #78
wtf is wrong with you? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #81
My bad. Sometimes I forget cheapdate Mar 2015 #103
The rich ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #66
and as soon as that particular strategy fails..... Sheepshank Mar 2015 #5
Poor things, they know there is no recovery in states they control Warpy Mar 2015 #7
So this is what a recovery looks like? DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #8
From the near third Great Depression to recovery took time, and these graphs prove nothing about Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #10
Oh, Democrats are supposed to bury their head in the sand and pretend there is a recovery DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #12
Agreed. There is some head in the sand burying and it is not restricted to party. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #14
There is a recovery. Jobs are one of the last things to recover from a recession. jeff47 Mar 2015 #20
Not to the level they were before the crash eridani Mar 2015 #21
So vote Republican and get a Kansas recovery. Bandit Mar 2015 #22
Statistics from the job market bottom of February 2010 progree Mar 2015 #25
Labor force participation rate is down. If baby boomers weren't retiring en mass- eridani Mar 2015 #73
Employment to Population Ratio is up 0.8% progree Mar 2015 #89
With shitty jobs. No gains have gone to the 995--ut's the 1% who have benefitted. n/t eridani Mar 2015 #91
Shitty jobs that pay better than under Clinton or Bush progree Mar 2015 #98
Inflation adjustments do not apply to real life eridani Mar 2015 #104
The CPI includes health care costs. And yes the econ is shitty progree Mar 2015 #110
Not by every single measure. Family income has been dropping since 2000 eridani Mar 2015 #72
Before the crash we had an unsustainable wild bubble economy progree Mar 2015 #23
that last uptick is the fracking boom Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #34
We'll lose some oil industry jobs because of low oil prices, and we'll gain jobs elsewhere progree Mar 2015 #37
Is "starting" a difficult concept for you to grasp? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #28
In order to call this a "recovery" Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #32
Again, recovery has a technical meaning. And it isn't "I feel good about the economy". (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #33
then that technical meaning must contradict the plain English meaning Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #35
You mean exactly like every other phrase with a technical meaning? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #36
So make your "technical meaning" explicit Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #45
it is for the average working person. who doesn't give a rip about what the top 5% think about it. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #84
I used to call people 'sheep' too for merely for holding a different opinion. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #46
Um, "...the near third Great Depression...." truebluegreen Mar 2015 #16
1797 was the first major economic depression in the U.S. raven mad Mar 2015 #19
so which was the first great depression? cause 1797 doesn't qualify. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #85
wtf is wrong with you? Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #87
And President Obama did it without the stimulus of a world war. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #52
gdp is irrelevant if 99% of the gain is captured by the 1%. which has been the case for some time. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #83
Yep! staggerleem Mar 2015 #40
the ones who only care about winning elections will completely ignore these statistics. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #51
+100. can i copy that? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #82
No. That's what the crash looked like 5 years ago. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #93
Raise taxes on the rich and the economy abelenkpe Mar 2015 #15
Bush's "Ownership Society" was what caused worst financial crash in history ErikJ Mar 2015 #17
Kick mahalo pampango Cha Mar 2015 #18
And, I repeat AND rock Mar 2015 #26
Technically, Republicans are right Flo Mingo Mar 2015 #29
Krugman is a cheerleader Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #31
Right, and we're supposed to take your word on economics vs a Nobel Laureate. Sure. stevenleser Mar 2015 #38
This thread wasn't complete Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #43
You are misusing that logical fallacy. That person's credentials are in play in your statement. stevenleser Mar 2015 #47
You might want to review the logical fallacy in question stevenleser Mar 2015 #48
I should say the same to you Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #50
So, cite your evidence that his authority is flawed because of bias or groupthink. Otherwise stevenleser Mar 2015 #55
Krugman is absolutely NOT sining "Everything's Coming Up Roses" here! staggerleem Mar 2015 #41
The only number that matters to the vast majority of Americans is wages Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #44
In 2009, I took a pay cut. staggerleem Mar 2015 #70
From the bottom of a multi-generational abyss.. sendero Mar 2015 #88
11.5 million more jobs and INFLATION-ADJUSTED wages higher than under Clinton and Bush progree Mar 2015 #90
We could go round and round about this.. sendero Mar 2015 #95
Ah, yes. Use them thar govt stats only when they make your case, otherwise deny them progree Mar 2015 #97
+1 nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #101
Believe whatever stats you want.. sendero Mar 2015 #102
I'm not denying that its a weak economy, I'm just saying it has improved from the lows of 2009-10 progree Mar 2015 #111
He is saying here that the recovery in high-tax, Democratic California is better than in low-tax, pampango Mar 2015 #71
So is FUD here on DU.... They sound familiar uponit7771 Mar 2015 #39
They sound under/unemployed. Try it for several years and see how rosy your outlook is. n/t winter is coming Mar 2015 #49
While deserving of empathy, that doesn't make their arguments correct. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #56
Nor does it make them incorrect. winter is coming Mar 2015 #65
Some folks think summer is coming, some think 'winter is coming', it is what it is. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #67
It's doing very well for Krugman Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #61
Pa as an example of failed republican economic policy. The Jungle 1 Mar 2015 #68
sounds remarkably familiar. LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #74
Oh man MFrohike Mar 2015 #75
The GOP hates America and facts Gothmog Mar 2015 #76
Apparently so do some of the posters here. Kalidurga Mar 2015 #77
Its troubling that many on the left will also say its an illusion. DCBob Mar 2015 #86
If wages are stagnant, "good news" benfitting only the 1% really is an illusion. eridani Mar 2015 #92
Neither Republicans nor Democrats will provide a real recovery Yorktown Mar 2015 #105
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