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tammywammy

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48. I remember many years ago in an undergrad class that was going to discuss abortion

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 01:48 PM

Mar 2015

And before the class the professor said something along the lines of if this discussion offends you, you can leave but it's not an excused absence. She set the discussion to be civil, but at the same time you're going to hear viewpoints that maybe radically different than yours.

The professor did the same on other topics, but it was the abortion one that I remember. Loved that professor, lots of stimulating discussion in a large lecture class.

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Professor Bans Student for Rape Views [View all] DonViejo Mar 2015 OP

The propaganda works well on willing assholes like this. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1

Is this Professor Savery. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #2

the dip shit student will make a great repukian lawyer someday . olddots Mar 2015 #3

When I Googled the student's name, I found this petition he has posted on Change.org deutsey Mar 2015 #4

Great link. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #16

Of course you would think so. Why am I liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #21

Thanks. I like to think I stick to my principles. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #38

and we all know what THOSE are Skittles Mar 2015 #151

Did you actually read the link? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #42

Does RAINN believe that "the 'no means no' meme is BULLSHIT" and cite geek tragedy Mar 2015 #49

I am really disappointed in RAINN for a statement like that, actually. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #69

The central question seems to be which of these salient points makes more sense Major Nikon Mar 2015 #50

Not cultural? ieoeja Mar 2015 #63

I believe there is a rape culture among rapists Major Nikon Mar 2015 #92

What do you call the women I just described? ieoeja Mar 2015 #116

Social conservatives Major Nikon Mar 2015 #125

Easily dismissed false dichotomy. RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #84

I'd be interested in hearing a better explanation of that Major Nikon Mar 2015 #89

I don't see how acknowledging cultural factors RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #93

Seems to be quite contradictory Major Nikon Mar 2015 #98

It is not contradictory at all. RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #113

Culpability doesn't require absolutes Major Nikon Mar 2015 #120

Are you joking? RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #122

Let's try to stay on track here Major Nikon Mar 2015 #130

Clearly, you are playing. RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #134

Are people who rape in prison not rapists? stone space Mar 2015 #161

Yes Major Nikon Mar 2015 #164

Not sure which of my 4 questions your 3 answers refer to. stone space Mar 2015 #166

Edited for clarity Major Nikon Mar 2015 #168

Because responsibility is not a zero-sum game, of course. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #106

I didn't suggest it was Major Nikon Mar 2015 #131

The fact that the rapist doesn't go to jail is the rape culture. prayin4rain Mar 2015 #142

False choice- as always. LOL. Both the culture and the rapists should be condemned. Easy! bettyellen Mar 2015 #167

Wow Jeff... trumad Mar 2015 #59

Some people think sports magazine covers are evidence of rape culture Major Nikon Mar 2015 #68

Some people think that women being underpaid and under represented in government bettyellen Mar 2015 #171

Some people rely heavily on strawman rhetoric Major Nikon Mar 2015 #172

Or they have great memories of conversations with people whose heads are bettyellen Mar 2015 #173

But we both know that's not the case here Major Nikon Mar 2015 #174

Lol, luckily no one is fooled by anyone who pretends to be progressive yet vehemently argues against bettyellen Mar 2015 #175

Hey BE! Here is a terribly FAILED alert. I am number five. bravenak Mar 2015 #177

i knew this would be alerted on. good to see the result.... excellent. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #178

I was glad to be on the jury.nt bravenak Mar 2015 #181

i could see the pathetic attempt to set me up.... bettyellen Mar 2015 #180

Oh, yes, I get it all the time. bravenak Mar 2015 #182

Because a dude with hurt feelings? It will not stand, I tell you! bettyellen Mar 2015 #183

This is so weird. You get another one? bravenak Mar 2015 #189

Good jury! zappaman Mar 2015 #184

Yep. bravenak Mar 2015 #187

And I will continue to alert in such situations Major Nikon Mar 2015 #186

Bad idea to alert during an argument with somebody. bravenak Mar 2015 #188

Sorry I made you so sad. Its Friday- try and cheer up! bettyellen Mar 2015 #207

Thanks Major Nikon Mar 2015 #209

Another jury. You might be being alert-stalked. DanTex Mar 2015 #185

Well, at least that person can't alert for 24 hours. zappaman Mar 2015 #190

no, you will not continue to alert.... at least for 24 hours. ya, betty is alert stalked. we saw seabeyond Mar 2015 #193

Between the sexists, the racists and the watermelon joke lovers, I am fucked, LOL. bettyellen Mar 2015 #206

hey... no hides, right here. first time since all this started. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #210

Thank you! 7-0! Lol!! I've had similar posts hidden.... bettyellen Mar 2015 #208

The professor should make clear before the start of class which views are acceptable to air, Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #5

well, we've only heard his side of the story geek tragedy Mar 2015 #6

For starters the professor has total reign over his/her classroom Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #34

Not true. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #45

This isn't high school Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #56

Interesting. Never saw that in 30 years of teaching HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #57

He gave this student ample opportunity. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #76

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What level of control should a professor have over his or her classroom? Orrex Mar 2015 #8

if you're going to hold a session where a topic ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #9

or emotion BubbaFett Mar 2015 #97

dig it... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #101

and after you have refuted and debunked the garbage, should the professor and students KittyWampus Mar 2015 #145

no... once should work ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #148

A college course on rape should be able to discuss differing opinions. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #10

At a minimum, it should tolerate contrary facts. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #19

The same argument Tea baggers use to get the Bible taught in public schools. TeamPooka Mar 2015 #62

shall it tolerate DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #110

Should a course on Women's Studies tolerate MRA proselytizing? Orrex Mar 2015 #46

Should a college course on calculus also be equally accepting of all opinions? stone space Mar 2015 #118

I suggest you read the entire article. The prof was correct to ban this guy from cali Mar 2015 #12

I read the entire article. I disagree. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #24

the kid was clearly doing more than challenging statistics. He was being cali Mar 2015 #28

Can you show me how? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #43

you didn't read him describing anything he did as disruptive. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #47

At this rate, next thing we know, creationism will be denied in science classrooms. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #54

It is...Which is why the professor has a free hand in his classroom Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #25

Do think a student should be allowed to repeatedly deny prayin4rain Mar 2015 #137

Academic freedom is not about disruptive students... stone space Mar 2015 #158

Silly student, Matterate Mar 2015 #11

Free though is great. Provided you're not still thinking about it after class ends, apparently. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #13

Yes, how dare liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #29

The student is a typical dittohead. (edited subject line) Cerridwen Mar 2015 #14

It's clear he was being intentionally disruptive. cali Mar 2015 #15

That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #18

"Trigger Warnings" are there for a reason philosslayer Mar 2015 #20

telling rape survivors their experience in being raped isn't real or is exaggerated geek tragedy Mar 2015 #23

Can you show me where he did that? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #27

we haven't seen him doing anything. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #39

Gee, he asks provocative questions. And appears to offer solutions: Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #52

So, you assume the man is telling nothing but the truth and assume the women geek tragedy Mar 2015 #55

ALL of his classmates were disturbed, so they stood up to his bullshit. Not"too delicate to survive" bettyellen Mar 2015 #162

Truth! stone space Mar 2015 #169

Every time a woman steps up and says "enough MRA nullshit" some bettyellen Mar 2015 #170

And yet you are certain he was being disruptive mythology Mar 2015 #85

the fact that the entire class refused to go forward with him present indicates he was geek tragedy Mar 2015 #90

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #30

comparing rape survivors to mentally unstable creationists, stay classy 'Men's Group' host nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #40

Personally, I think facts and statistics should be admissible in college. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #51

of course, if a man says it to a woman, it's 'facts' geek tragedy Mar 2015 #53

Damn. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #67

ah, yes. lumberjack does like to call rape victims mentally unstable, as a few others do. seabeyond Mar 2015 #156

Jury results... F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Mar 2015 #91

Yup, let the shithead go disrupt elsewhere. n/t FSogol Mar 2015 #17

amazing how many people are willing to take this guy's account at face value. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #22

Sorry asshole, if I feel uncomfortabke you don't get to speak. AngryAmish Mar 2015 #26

Sarcasm, right? brendan120678 Mar 2015 #31

Poe's law. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #36

I hope that's sarcasm. tammywammy Mar 2015 #33

So in an AA studies class, if a person was disrupting by dismissing the experiences of blacks F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #70

So the standard of debate is that you can never make anyone uncomfortable? Really? hack89 Mar 2015 #77

Sorry, but I have no problem kicking racists out of an AA studies class. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #87

There's a difference between offering an opinion and intentionally being inflammatory. alp227 Mar 2015 #102

"making other students uncomfortable is not okay" hack89 Mar 2015 #105

You're equivocating two things. alp227 Mar 2015 #115

There is no single "standard of debate". stone space Mar 2015 #128

How about holocaust deniers? BainsBane Mar 2015 #111

I'm very interested in the answer to your question, because I think denier professors cant be fired stevenleser Mar 2015 #121

Tenure can be pierced BainsBane Mar 2015 #124

I think they get tenure in non Holocaust areas like engineering. AngryAmish Mar 2015 #129

Not a good precedent to set bluestateguy Mar 2015 #32

If he's truly interested in debate, that's one thing... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #44

I remember many years ago in an undergrad class that was going to discuss abortion tammywammy Mar 2015 #48

This student was engaged in harassment, not debate. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #81

Sometimes there's no reasoning with morons alp227 Mar 2015 #119

I don't like this view that people need to be protected from things that make them "uncomfortable." alarimer Mar 2015 #35

Problem is, you're in a group discussing traumatic experiences. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #73

Problem is you're in a required college course, not a therapy session. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #135

He can fork over a few thousand more and take it again next year. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #144

Yes, it's not a therapy session for this dude to sit there and talk at everyone geek tragedy Mar 2015 #154

Good call Kalidurga Mar 2015 #37

I usually think that men who dismiss rape SheilaT Mar 2015 #41

if the news article is correct that on his fb page salin Mar 2015 #58

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #60

don't you know, they are just providing 'facts' to help put these geek tragedy Mar 2015 #61

If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone appeal to "facts" BainsBane Mar 2015 #64

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You should identify those posts so that we can alert on them. Orrex Mar 2015 #65

I alert on them when I see them BainsBane Mar 2015 #74

Trumad should wear that hide with pride. Proof that DU's jury system is completely broken. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #143

Unbelievable, isn't it? smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #149

Generally, faculty can kick a student out only if he is disruptive. aikoaiko Mar 2015 #66

I think the conference is what is also called a discussion section alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #78

Ahh. I see. Those break out sessions are often unsupervised. aikoaiko Mar 2015 #83

I seriously doubt that they are unsupervised alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #94

Agreed. aikoaiko Mar 2015 #126

Looks like an in-person campus troll got the banhammer. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #72

Our poli-sci class had Socialist Workers Party members, the son of Havana's police chief... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #75

We had similar speakers..but at the Rathskeller at riversedge Mar 2015 #80

The strategic thinking at UF was maybe an on-campus beer bar would tone down demonstrations... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #95

How about holocaust deniers? BainsBane Mar 2015 #108

Of course not! Are those groups full of whiney inconsequential women? n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #139

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Push back, intellectual confrontation. Works for me. You should try it. Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #191

You think I can't engage in intellectual debate? BainsBane Mar 2015 #192

classrooms often, if not consistently have restricted bounds, am i not correct? seabeyond Mar 2015 #194

It's not something I ever encountered while teaching BainsBane Mar 2015 #199

Not sure; your short text re "tax dollars" leaves the issue in doubt. Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #196

Let's explore this "free speech" concern of yours. BainsBane Mar 2015 #197

Oh! that was you - - sounded like an AM radio broadcast east of Ocala... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #200

Incorrect on a couple of points BainsBane Mar 2015 #201

Some of this stuff has been discussed ad nauseam for years, I'll not go through it again.... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #204

You in fact do not support free speech BainsBane Mar 2015 #205

You in fact don't understand free speech... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #212

There's a difference between rigorous discussion and harassment. n/t backscatter712 Mar 2015 #146

Sure is. Not sure if harassment happened here, but if harassment occurs... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #195

Indeed. And there is not enough information available here hifiguy Mar 2015 #202

Title should be: Prof bans student because of behavior..... riversedge Mar 2015 #79

If that is in fact the case he deserved to get kicked out. nt hifiguy Mar 2015 #203

His diatribe reads like he's on the verge of a break from reality RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #82

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So, being able to harass women for not wanting to be raped or assaulted is the new Men's Right(TM). backscatter712 Mar 2015 #88

This Professor, I'm Fairly Certain, Made a Process Error Here alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #96

Thank you, voice of reason! BubbaFett Mar 2015 #99

What this thread doesn't tell me is what the class is and what the discussion subject was... brooklynite Mar 2015 #100

it's intro Humanities, apparently involving breakout sessions or 'conferences' geek tragedy Mar 2015 #104

Intro to Humanities is still a pretty broad subject brooklynite Mar 2015 #114

It looks like a kind of old school freshman writing class alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #117

either that, or too much leeway was granted to the students in your examples geek tragedy Mar 2015 #103

It's been pretty consistent alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #107

this guy seems to like to keep things inside the classroom rather than geek tragedy Mar 2015 #123

Well, that's a mistake, as this case amply demonstrates alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #127

Higher education is about teaching students how to live in polite society. alp227 Mar 2015 #109

People don't really seem to understand that colleges have codes of conduct. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #112

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... Kurska Mar 2015 #133

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I believe there is a rape culture. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #138

So even when you have valid stats, you get kicked out when your opinions don't match others? davidn3600 Mar 2015 #150

The stupid student did more than merely express an opinion. alp227 Mar 2015 #157

It was a "behavior" issue, not the free speech issue that dumbassed kid is hiding behind... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #198

Uncomfortable? They should have laughed him out of the class. davidsilver Mar 2015 #152

views DustyJoe Mar 2015 #153

Calculus? stone space Mar 2015 #160

Cultural determinism vs individual responsibility is a false dichotomy. The basis of his whole Monk06 Mar 2015 #155

Good!!! ncjustice80 Mar 2015 #159

Should read "Prof bans student for MRA bullshit." n/t gollygee Mar 2015 #163

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have to side with the student booley Mar 2015 #176

Guy bragged about being a disruptive troll abelenkpe Mar 2015 #179

My question for 1-in-4 (or 5) truthers Nevernose Mar 2015 #211