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lumberjack_jeff

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18. That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be.

Reply to cali (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 01:15 PM

Mar 2015

College isn't DU - college is supposed to be challenging.

Truth shouldn't be determined by a vote of the student body.

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Professor Bans Student for Rape Views [View all] DonViejo Mar 2015 OP

The propaganda works well on willing assholes like this. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1

Is this Professor Savery. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #2

the dip shit student will make a great repukian lawyer someday . olddots Mar 2015 #3

When I Googled the student's name, I found this petition he has posted on Change.org deutsey Mar 2015 #4

Great link. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #16

Of course you would think so. Why am I liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #21

Thanks. I like to think I stick to my principles. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #38

and we all know what THOSE are Skittles Mar 2015 #151

Did you actually read the link? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #42

Does RAINN believe that "the 'no means no' meme is BULLSHIT" and cite geek tragedy Mar 2015 #49

I am really disappointed in RAINN for a statement like that, actually. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #69

The central question seems to be which of these salient points makes more sense Major Nikon Mar 2015 #50

Not cultural? ieoeja Mar 2015 #63

I believe there is a rape culture among rapists Major Nikon Mar 2015 #92

What do you call the women I just described? ieoeja Mar 2015 #116

Social conservatives Major Nikon Mar 2015 #125

Easily dismissed false dichotomy. RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #84

I'd be interested in hearing a better explanation of that Major Nikon Mar 2015 #89

I don't see how acknowledging cultural factors RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #93

Seems to be quite contradictory Major Nikon Mar 2015 #98

It is not contradictory at all. RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #113

Culpability doesn't require absolutes Major Nikon Mar 2015 #120

Are you joking? RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #122

Let's try to stay on track here Major Nikon Mar 2015 #130

Clearly, you are playing. RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #134

Are people who rape in prison not rapists? stone space Mar 2015 #161

Yes Major Nikon Mar 2015 #164

Not sure which of my 4 questions your 3 answers refer to. stone space Mar 2015 #166

Edited for clarity Major Nikon Mar 2015 #168

Because responsibility is not a zero-sum game, of course. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #106

I didn't suggest it was Major Nikon Mar 2015 #131

The fact that the rapist doesn't go to jail is the rape culture. prayin4rain Mar 2015 #142

False choice- as always. LOL. Both the culture and the rapists should be condemned. Easy! bettyellen Mar 2015 #167

Wow Jeff... trumad Mar 2015 #59

Some people think sports magazine covers are evidence of rape culture Major Nikon Mar 2015 #68

Some people think that women being underpaid and under represented in government bettyellen Mar 2015 #171

Some people rely heavily on strawman rhetoric Major Nikon Mar 2015 #172

Or they have great memories of conversations with people whose heads are bettyellen Mar 2015 #173

But we both know that's not the case here Major Nikon Mar 2015 #174

Lol, luckily no one is fooled by anyone who pretends to be progressive yet vehemently argues against bettyellen Mar 2015 #175

Hey BE! Here is a terribly FAILED alert. I am number five. bravenak Mar 2015 #177

i knew this would be alerted on. good to see the result.... excellent. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #178

I was glad to be on the jury.nt bravenak Mar 2015 #181

i could see the pathetic attempt to set me up.... bettyellen Mar 2015 #180

Oh, yes, I get it all the time. bravenak Mar 2015 #182

Because a dude with hurt feelings? It will not stand, I tell you! bettyellen Mar 2015 #183

This is so weird. You get another one? bravenak Mar 2015 #189

Good jury! zappaman Mar 2015 #184

Yep. bravenak Mar 2015 #187

And I will continue to alert in such situations Major Nikon Mar 2015 #186

Bad idea to alert during an argument with somebody. bravenak Mar 2015 #188

Sorry I made you so sad. Its Friday- try and cheer up! bettyellen Mar 2015 #207

Thanks Major Nikon Mar 2015 #209

Another jury. You might be being alert-stalked. DanTex Mar 2015 #185

Well, at least that person can't alert for 24 hours. zappaman Mar 2015 #190

no, you will not continue to alert.... at least for 24 hours. ya, betty is alert stalked. we saw seabeyond Mar 2015 #193

Between the sexists, the racists and the watermelon joke lovers, I am fucked, LOL. bettyellen Mar 2015 #206

hey... no hides, right here. first time since all this started. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #210

Thank you! 7-0! Lol!! I've had similar posts hidden.... bettyellen Mar 2015 #208

The professor should make clear before the start of class which views are acceptable to air, Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #5

well, we've only heard his side of the story geek tragedy Mar 2015 #6

For starters the professor has total reign over his/her classroom Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #34

Not true. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #45

This isn't high school Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #56

Interesting. Never saw that in 30 years of teaching HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #57

He gave this student ample opportunity. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #76

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What level of control should a professor have over his or her classroom? Orrex Mar 2015 #8

if you're going to hold a session where a topic ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #9

or emotion BubbaFett Mar 2015 #97

dig it... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #101

and after you have refuted and debunked the garbage, should the professor and students KittyWampus Mar 2015 #145

no... once should work ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #148

A college course on rape should be able to discuss differing opinions. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #10

At a minimum, it should tolerate contrary facts. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #19

The same argument Tea baggers use to get the Bible taught in public schools. TeamPooka Mar 2015 #62

shall it tolerate DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #110

Should a course on Women's Studies tolerate MRA proselytizing? Orrex Mar 2015 #46

Should a college course on calculus also be equally accepting of all opinions? stone space Mar 2015 #118

I suggest you read the entire article. The prof was correct to ban this guy from cali Mar 2015 #12

I read the entire article. I disagree. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #24

the kid was clearly doing more than challenging statistics. He was being cali Mar 2015 #28

Can you show me how? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #43

you didn't read him describing anything he did as disruptive. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #47

At this rate, next thing we know, creationism will be denied in science classrooms. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #54

It is...Which is why the professor has a free hand in his classroom Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #25

Do think a student should be allowed to repeatedly deny prayin4rain Mar 2015 #137

Academic freedom is not about disruptive students... stone space Mar 2015 #158

Silly student, Matterate Mar 2015 #11

Free though is great. Provided you're not still thinking about it after class ends, apparently. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #13

Yes, how dare liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #29

The student is a typical dittohead. (edited subject line) Cerridwen Mar 2015 #14

It's clear he was being intentionally disruptive. cali Mar 2015 #15

That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #18

"Trigger Warnings" are there for a reason philosslayer Mar 2015 #20

telling rape survivors their experience in being raped isn't real or is exaggerated geek tragedy Mar 2015 #23

Can you show me where he did that? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #27

we haven't seen him doing anything. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #39

Gee, he asks provocative questions. And appears to offer solutions: Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #52

So, you assume the man is telling nothing but the truth and assume the women geek tragedy Mar 2015 #55

ALL of his classmates were disturbed, so they stood up to his bullshit. Not"too delicate to survive" bettyellen Mar 2015 #162

Truth! stone space Mar 2015 #169

Every time a woman steps up and says "enough MRA nullshit" some bettyellen Mar 2015 #170

And yet you are certain he was being disruptive mythology Mar 2015 #85

the fact that the entire class refused to go forward with him present indicates he was geek tragedy Mar 2015 #90

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #30

comparing rape survivors to mentally unstable creationists, stay classy 'Men's Group' host nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #40

Personally, I think facts and statistics should be admissible in college. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #51

of course, if a man says it to a woman, it's 'facts' geek tragedy Mar 2015 #53

Damn. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #67

ah, yes. lumberjack does like to call rape victims mentally unstable, as a few others do. seabeyond Mar 2015 #156

Jury results... F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Mar 2015 #91

Yup, let the shithead go disrupt elsewhere. n/t FSogol Mar 2015 #17

amazing how many people are willing to take this guy's account at face value. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #22

Sorry asshole, if I feel uncomfortabke you don't get to speak. AngryAmish Mar 2015 #26

Sarcasm, right? brendan120678 Mar 2015 #31

Poe's law. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #36

I hope that's sarcasm. tammywammy Mar 2015 #33

So in an AA studies class, if a person was disrupting by dismissing the experiences of blacks F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #70

So the standard of debate is that you can never make anyone uncomfortable? Really? hack89 Mar 2015 #77

Sorry, but I have no problem kicking racists out of an AA studies class. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #87

There's a difference between offering an opinion and intentionally being inflammatory. alp227 Mar 2015 #102

"making other students uncomfortable is not okay" hack89 Mar 2015 #105

You're equivocating two things. alp227 Mar 2015 #115

There is no single "standard of debate". stone space Mar 2015 #128

How about holocaust deniers? BainsBane Mar 2015 #111

I'm very interested in the answer to your question, because I think denier professors cant be fired stevenleser Mar 2015 #121

Tenure can be pierced BainsBane Mar 2015 #124

I think they get tenure in non Holocaust areas like engineering. AngryAmish Mar 2015 #129

Not a good precedent to set bluestateguy Mar 2015 #32

If he's truly interested in debate, that's one thing... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #44

I remember many years ago in an undergrad class that was going to discuss abortion tammywammy Mar 2015 #48

This student was engaged in harassment, not debate. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #81

Sometimes there's no reasoning with morons alp227 Mar 2015 #119

I don't like this view that people need to be protected from things that make them "uncomfortable." alarimer Mar 2015 #35

Problem is, you're in a group discussing traumatic experiences. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #73

Problem is you're in a required college course, not a therapy session. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #135

He can fork over a few thousand more and take it again next year. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #144

Yes, it's not a therapy session for this dude to sit there and talk at everyone geek tragedy Mar 2015 #154

Good call Kalidurga Mar 2015 #37

I usually think that men who dismiss rape SheilaT Mar 2015 #41

if the news article is correct that on his fb page salin Mar 2015 #58

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #60

don't you know, they are just providing 'facts' to help put these geek tragedy Mar 2015 #61

If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone appeal to "facts" BainsBane Mar 2015 #64

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You should identify those posts so that we can alert on them. Orrex Mar 2015 #65

I alert on them when I see them BainsBane Mar 2015 #74

Trumad should wear that hide with pride. Proof that DU's jury system is completely broken. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #143

Unbelievable, isn't it? smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #149

Generally, faculty can kick a student out only if he is disruptive. aikoaiko Mar 2015 #66

I think the conference is what is also called a discussion section alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #78

Ahh. I see. Those break out sessions are often unsupervised. aikoaiko Mar 2015 #83

I seriously doubt that they are unsupervised alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #94

Agreed. aikoaiko Mar 2015 #126

Looks like an in-person campus troll got the banhammer. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #72

Our poli-sci class had Socialist Workers Party members, the son of Havana's police chief... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #75

We had similar speakers..but at the Rathskeller at riversedge Mar 2015 #80

The strategic thinking at UF was maybe an on-campus beer bar would tone down demonstrations... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #95

How about holocaust deniers? BainsBane Mar 2015 #108

Of course not! Are those groups full of whiney inconsequential women? n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #139

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Push back, intellectual confrontation. Works for me. You should try it. Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #191

You think I can't engage in intellectual debate? BainsBane Mar 2015 #192

classrooms often, if not consistently have restricted bounds, am i not correct? seabeyond Mar 2015 #194

It's not something I ever encountered while teaching BainsBane Mar 2015 #199

Not sure; your short text re "tax dollars" leaves the issue in doubt. Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #196

Let's explore this "free speech" concern of yours. BainsBane Mar 2015 #197

Oh! that was you - - sounded like an AM radio broadcast east of Ocala... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #200

Incorrect on a couple of points BainsBane Mar 2015 #201

Some of this stuff has been discussed ad nauseam for years, I'll not go through it again.... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #204

You in fact do not support free speech BainsBane Mar 2015 #205

You in fact don't understand free speech... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #212

There's a difference between rigorous discussion and harassment. n/t backscatter712 Mar 2015 #146

Sure is. Not sure if harassment happened here, but if harassment occurs... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #195

Indeed. And there is not enough information available here hifiguy Mar 2015 #202

Title should be: Prof bans student because of behavior..... riversedge Mar 2015 #79

If that is in fact the case he deserved to get kicked out. nt hifiguy Mar 2015 #203

His diatribe reads like he's on the verge of a break from reality RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #82

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So, being able to harass women for not wanting to be raped or assaulted is the new Men's Right(TM). backscatter712 Mar 2015 #88

This Professor, I'm Fairly Certain, Made a Process Error Here alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #96

Thank you, voice of reason! BubbaFett Mar 2015 #99

What this thread doesn't tell me is what the class is and what the discussion subject was... brooklynite Mar 2015 #100

it's intro Humanities, apparently involving breakout sessions or 'conferences' geek tragedy Mar 2015 #104

Intro to Humanities is still a pretty broad subject brooklynite Mar 2015 #114

It looks like a kind of old school freshman writing class alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #117

either that, or too much leeway was granted to the students in your examples geek tragedy Mar 2015 #103

It's been pretty consistent alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #107

this guy seems to like to keep things inside the classroom rather than geek tragedy Mar 2015 #123

Well, that's a mistake, as this case amply demonstrates alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #127

Higher education is about teaching students how to live in polite society. alp227 Mar 2015 #109

People don't really seem to understand that colleges have codes of conduct. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #112

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... Kurska Mar 2015 #133

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I believe there is a rape culture. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #138

So even when you have valid stats, you get kicked out when your opinions don't match others? davidn3600 Mar 2015 #150

The stupid student did more than merely express an opinion. alp227 Mar 2015 #157

It was a "behavior" issue, not the free speech issue that dumbassed kid is hiding behind... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #198

Uncomfortable? They should have laughed him out of the class. davidsilver Mar 2015 #152

views DustyJoe Mar 2015 #153

Calculus? stone space Mar 2015 #160

Cultural determinism vs individual responsibility is a false dichotomy. The basis of his whole Monk06 Mar 2015 #155

Good!!! ncjustice80 Mar 2015 #159

Should read "Prof bans student for MRA bullshit." n/t gollygee Mar 2015 #163

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have to side with the student booley Mar 2015 #176

Guy bragged about being a disruptive troll abelenkpe Mar 2015 #179

My question for 1-in-4 (or 5) truthers Nevernose Mar 2015 #211