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In reply to the discussion: Rove, Bush and Cheney belong in prison. Not Don Siegelman. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)56. Ray McGovern talked about what was happening...
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Between NSA spying, FBI black bagging, and CIA manipulating, it's gotta be scary be in the Oval Office and oppose the secret government.
BradBlog and other DUers know much more about this than me:
In a conversation at the end of the hour (audio and transcript below), as I was trying to pin him down for an opinion on whether or not he felt it was appropriate for CIA Director Leon Panetta to have reportedly attempted to block a lawful investigation into torture and other war crimes committed by the CIA, McGovern alluded to a book about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and noted he felt it likely that both Panetta and President Obama may have reason to fear certain elements of the CIA.
"Let me just leave you with this thought," he said, "and that is that I think Panetta, and to a degree President Obama, are afraid --- I never thought I'd hear myself saying this --- I think they're afraid of the CIA."...
McGovern went on to note "the stakes are very high here," in relation to Attorney General Eric Holder's recently announced investigation of the CIA now under the direction of Panetta. "His main advisers and his senior staff are liable for prosecution for war crimes. The War Crimes statute includes very severe penalties, including capital punishment for those who, if under their custody, detainees die. And we know that at least a hundred have, so this is big stakes here."
He then recommended James W. Douglass' new book, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.
"He makes a very very persuasive case that it was President Kennedy's, um, the animosity that built up between him and the CIA after the Bay of Pigs, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, because he was reaching out to the Russians and so forth and so on. It's a very well-researched book and his conclusion is very alarming," the long-time CIA veteran noted in what turned out to be a chilling end to our interview in which he described "two CIAs".
One, he says, was created by President Truman to "give him the straight scoop without any fear or favor. And then its covert action arm, which really doesn't believe --- which doesn't belong in this agency." McGovern referred to that CIA "advisedly" as the President's "own personal gestapo" which acts without oversight by the Congressional committees once tasked to do so.
"And so if you're asking why Obama and Panetta are going very very kid-glove-ish with the CIA, I think part of the reason, or the explanation is they're afraid of these guys because these guys have a whole lot to lose if justice takes its course."
"So, it's pretty scary. Yes, it is," he concluded.
SOURCE: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7408
The great DUer bobthedrummer met Ray McGovern a few years earlier -- mid 2000s -- at an event around the time McGovern had confronted Donald Rumsfeld and asked him about war crimes. Bob asked McGovern for his thoughts on the assassination of President Kennedy. Ray said he never would have believed such a conspiracy possible, but had come to the conclusion that it was likely.
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Bush and Cheney lied America into war. Now that's ''NAZI Conspiracy Theory''...
Octafish
Mar 2015
#7
He wont get a pardon though or atleast the odds of one being given are slim.
cstanleytech
Mar 2015
#22
He (and the CIA) did oust a democratically elected leader in Chile to replace him with a dictator.
Rex
Mar 2015
#27
Boys, boys, settle down...let's just all agree they are both lower than the scum at the bottom
NoJusticeNoPeace
Mar 2015
#51
I agree with you about Bush, Cheney and Rove but I have no real opinion on Siegelman.
cstanleytech
Mar 2015
#21
Thank you but I'm aware of the facts I just dont have an opinion one way or the other on it and
cstanleytech
Mar 2015
#39
"threats against his family & friends more than his future employment opportunities"?
red dog 1
Mar 2015
#54
My fave, yours. Then this can go around the vanity ''Visit Historic Leavenworth'' Kansas plates...
Octafish
Mar 2015
#60
I wonder if Avaaz might be able to do something about Don Siegelman. They have over ten
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#59