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Mark D.

(435 posts)
66. Short View
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:58 PM
Apr 2012

Personal responsibility. It's like a broken record. I know people shouldn't go into such debt. But it's like holding the perfect fishing lure over a fish, and yelling at it for biting the lure. The 50s through the 70s gave the middle class the idea they could buy and furnish a house, go on vacation, and drive a relatively new car. Paid for with wages. Wages that fell when women started working, because employers saw an excuse to lower them. Personal responsibility does nothing there. Quit and get another job elsewhere that is paying the same falling wage. 1980 or so, with their hero and a new path to feudalism in the Whitehouse, knocking out our last chance at rising wages (unions) we saw wages go flat, and they have been since.

Things get more expensive, the only way to fill the void is with credit. I know people didn't have to get the credit. They could have lived more simply. But rather than protest stagnant wages, they were too distracted by the banks waving easy credit in front of them. Living on the wages they got, without credit, would have meant no way out but to realize the elite was screwing them. It took until recently for enough to notice this screwing, when the bank of their home dried up with falling home values.

There's no credit to get, there's no equity to borrow against. So I'm hoping this will change. My point remains, we can sit around blaming victims for being misguided by the financial elite, we can try to find a time machine to go back to 1980 to start preaching to them then. But it's akin to running down the middle of the street holding up a sign saying 'don't get into an accident'. Good luck with that. Every call for personal responsibility is a call to accept less and less for our hard work, to accept an America where you MUST struggle and work almost all the time to barely break even.

Raising one's voice to say it's unjust just gets that same line. Move the blame from the corporations that pay less to increase the wealth of owners, upper management, wealth investors, and that's pretty much it. Call every attempt to get that wealth back down to the workers 'socialism' and every attempt to have them stand together 'corrupt unions', because it's worked so well so far. But as OWS has shown and as more are waking up to this nonsense, we aren't going to stand for it much longer.

that's an amazing pic cali Apr 2012 #1
Homeless by choice is how my teaparty neighbor puts it. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #3
"Urban campers", or something similar, I believe was how Raygun termed it IDemo Apr 2012 #15
Yeah. I heard they don't pay taxes either. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #2
Your last sentence is so spot on! CrispyQ Apr 2012 #23
Aren't these the same people AsahinaKimi Apr 2012 #63
This guy is either poor or mentally ill. dkf Apr 2012 #4
I knew I could count on you. Scuba Apr 2012 #6
Hey I agreed that this guy is poor. What more do you want? dkf Apr 2012 #11
It wasn't the part where you agreed that the guy in the pic is poor Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #14
Yeah, I'm still waiting too. At least the "ignore button" in my head still works. Scuba Apr 2012 #38
As night follows the day. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #39
I find the UK definition of poverty interesting Posteritatis Apr 2012 #7
Interesting... dkf Apr 2012 #10
Missing The Shift Mark D. Apr 2012 #34
If nobody borrowed to pay for their car how could prices get so high? dkf Apr 2012 #40
Short View Mark D. Apr 2012 #66
Thanks for putting this together. I hope it helps paint the picture. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #44
It's a little hard to compare apples and oranges don't you think - TBF Apr 2012 #18
Socialism might be good for base sustainance, not so good for innovation. dkf Apr 2012 #31
Justification for selfishness is your response? TBF Apr 2012 #33
Socialism Mark D. Apr 2012 #36
I don't think socialism would have to be a failure - TBF Apr 2012 #43
Well you can feed a lot of people. dkf Apr 2012 #45
The point isn't whether you and I donate to the food bank, because of course we both do. TBF Apr 2012 #52
How sure are you that it isn't caused by our own spending habits? dkf Apr 2012 #54
You're ignoring the systemic issues in favor of discussing TBF Apr 2012 #57
What do Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates or Larry Ellison take from the poor? dkf Apr 2012 #61
You can't talk about systems can you? Must always make it personal. TBF Apr 2012 #62
This is a slight twist on what I've been saying... dkf Apr 2012 #64
The poor in the world? This is about the poor here LaurenG Apr 2012 #27
This man seems like an obvious candidate for food stamps. I also doubt he has a cell phone or ac dkf Apr 2012 #35
Of course we are not poor compared to the poor of the world but is that really what you want for jwirr Apr 2012 #37
you are confusing "poor" with "destitute" SemperEadem Apr 2012 #47
I do differentiate and that was my point to the OP. dkf Apr 2012 #49
he wasn't, though. SemperEadem Apr 2012 #50
He did so by lumping the two together... dkf Apr 2012 #53
however, I wasn't discussing his post SemperEadem Apr 2012 #58
Thank you SemperEadem.. . . . .n/t annabanana Apr 2012 #60
Siiiiiiggghhh . . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #48
Yes, unfortunately, this is not only a problem with the GOP Mass Apr 2012 #5
Correct. The "middle" class is the biggest lie consistently perpetuated worldwide - TBF Apr 2012 #20
Reagan closed state hospitals for the mentally ill. Riley18 Apr 2012 #8
by and large state hospitals for the mentally ill, were terrible abusive cali Apr 2012 #9
If our public institutions are broken, we should fix them.... Scuba Apr 2012 #12
There was not fixing what was happening in those institutions. My great aunt died in one and her jwirr Apr 2012 #41
In the pre-Reagan California in which I spent my childhood, Bette Noir Apr 2012 #16
Here they were given a script for their meds, no money and a one-way bus ticket to Chicago NNN0LHI Apr 2012 #19
You are correct about what happened to them after the hospitals were closed down but that did jwirr Apr 2012 #42
All we know is one day in the early 80's our streets were suddenly filled CBGLuthier Apr 2012 #65
I was there when it happened and saw it happen as if in slow-motion with coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #28
My father grew up poor during The Depression and he still characterized no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #13
Anyone who says, "The poor in the US aren't really poor" Tsiyu Apr 2012 #17
Excellent post - thanks. nt TBF Apr 2012 #21
They are the same a-holes who say "You don't need health insurance, just go to emergency." NNN0LHI Apr 2012 #22
Right, because that's "free" Tsiyu Apr 2012 #26
The poor in America aren't really poor? chervilant Apr 2012 #24
Thank you. Very good. Scuba Apr 2012 #25
Generally, the same sort of people who would say, 'Well, you know those folks coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #29
+1000 Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #32
And, add to that - IDemo Apr 2012 #51
Anyone who can't afford to participate in politics as an equal is POOR saras Apr 2012 #30
Hunger is hunger wendylaroux Apr 2012 #46
They are better off than they were four years ago. Zax2me Apr 2012 #55
goes along with the claim that the rich aren't rich. cause they have such high living expenses, HiPointDem Apr 2012 #56
This is awesome news for me. Noodleboy13 Apr 2012 #59
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