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162. She's not telling you or any other black woman what to do...

Reply to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #157)

Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:14 PM

Feb 2015

and you really seem whipped into a frenzy hearing what you want to hear. Don't forget the WHITES -- men and women -- who also fought for civil rights. Including my lily-white stepfather who marched on Washington. And the lily-white Freedom Riders and volunteers with Freedom Summer and Freedom Schools. And lily-white LBJ.

Arquette's message was that historically oppressed groups -- women, gays, POC -- need to band together. It was the collective "you" and collective "we."

Jesus, this thread makes me long for a good Moral Mondays march.

https://www.google.com/search?q=moral+mondays+nc&biw=1438&bih=708&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=SvXsVPe1C4i6ggTj0oH4CA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&dpr=0.95#tbm=isch&q=moral+mondays+raleigh+nc&imgdii=_

Black, white, gay, straight, religious, secular, blue collar, white collar, no collar... unity, not division.

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Patricia Arquette said "women." She didn't say "white women." [View all] TeeYiYi Feb 2015 OP

I took it that way myself a bit. bravenak Feb 2015 #1

Why did you take it that way?... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #13

We have been focusing on womens rights all along. bravenak Feb 2015 #14

That's not what I heard. TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #18

No. She said it was time for the gays and blacks that 'women' have fought for.... bravenak Feb 2015 #19

She's asking... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #24

We already have been. We have fewer rights than yr average white woman like her. bravenak Feb 2015 #26

Why do you... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #28

Because she isolated my blackness. bravenak Feb 2015 #32

How did she do that?... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #36

Black women have been fighting for their own rights. bravenak Feb 2015 #39

Patricia Arquette... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #45

Thank you for this thread, TYY. This needs to be discussed. It has been on my mind all day. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #46

Who attacked her? bravenak Feb 2015 #49

In all due respect... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #85

It was what she said behind the scenes not what she said on stage. bravenak Feb 2015 #86

Mea Culpa bravenak malokvale77 Feb 2015 #87

You have fought for YOUR rights, as so you should. All we're saying is to step Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #139

"women have less rights than all minorties"! BULLSHIT!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #138

+1, n/t Exhibit A Feb 2015 #52

She likely posted that tweet after she got loads of backlash from people of color. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #135

It certainly didn't "exclude" anybody. You are *so* right. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #43

As a white woman, her wage is typically higher than blacks. And we've seen white Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #132

We've already been doing that! And how do you ask an already damaged Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #126

Are you denying that Not All Black Women are feminists? Are you denying that Not All LGBT are Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #40

Not saying that all black women are feminists. bravenak Feb 2015 #47

Whitesplaining? nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #50

Yes. bravenak Feb 2015 #51

should we start incarcerating white men at this same rate? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #54

We should stop incarcerating black men at such a tremendously high rate. bravenak Feb 2015 #58

of course you are right. do you think white feminist women have not been saying this all along? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #60

This. Just this. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #65

I do not think they see it as a priority as we do. bravenak Feb 2015 #67

yes, that is what I thought I said. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #70

I would love it if we could magic it all away. bravenak Feb 2015 #71

time. patience. we grow old. No one gets past time - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #74

That was nice. bravenak Feb 2015 #77

Thank you for your posts in this thread. KitSileya Feb 2015 #88

It is a common problem. bravenak Feb 2015 #90

It sure was a good read! KitSileya Feb 2015 #109

I think we can all learn something from listening to each other. bravenak Feb 2015 #110

Thank you so much, too! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #149

Democrats have voted for those policies that incarcerate black men for decades Fumesucker Feb 2015 #83

You are so right. That is my problem with liberal drug warriors and such. bravenak Feb 2015 #84

! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #57

I understand your frustration with being labelled like that. Bonobo Feb 2015 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #63

yes, my 1/16th Black head and my 1/8th American Indian head tell me EXACTLY that. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #66

bravenak, I wish there was some way to reach out to your sister. --- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #53

Listening is the only way. bravenak Feb 2015 #55

so then, I should shut up? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #56

No. bravenak Feb 2015 #59

thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #61

May I ask you a question.... one_voice Feb 2015 #68

That is not unique to your family. bravenak Feb 2015 #69

Thanks for answering... one_voice Feb 2015 #73

Many black women do not consider themselves feminists; or, do not use that term Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #146

Uhm. Ok. I will shut up now. And, I will send Patricia Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #164

I had no idea... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #166

That is interesting because many Christian African Americans are not particularly enamored by gay still_one Feb 2015 #104

What the hell dors that have to do with me? bravenak Feb 2015 #105

For the record... Takket Feb 2015 #75

Yeah... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #76

We don't take issue with that aspect of her statement. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #150

Where did she say "all women"? I'll wait... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #124

I felt like once again, black woman is a subcategory." F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #80

You have a good night too. Have a good ride. bravenak Feb 2015 #82

I don't disagree with you Aerows Feb 2015 #95

Black men also get shafted. bravenak Feb 2015 #96

I added an addendum to my post Aerows Feb 2015 #97

I should stop moving so fast. bravenak Feb 2015 #98

So who is this she Aerows Feb 2015 #99

It wasn't exactly awful. bravenak Feb 2015 #100

On twitter, it seems many African Americans and gays LittleBlue Feb 2015 #2

Exactly.nt bravenak Feb 2015 #4

"Felt like" and "as if"... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #8

You have to understand what it feels like LittleBlue Feb 2015 #12

She was saying... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #15

This was her quote LittleBlue Feb 2015 #17

No... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #20

Hmmm, well LittleBlue Feb 2015 #23

Pasty white guy here Egnever Feb 2015 #22

Exactly. I think you put your finger on it LittleBlue Feb 2015 #25

That's exactly right... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #27

I do think that is what she intended Egnever Feb 2015 #31

^^^^ EXACTLY ^^^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #42

YES. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #44

That seems to be the new standard... Oktober Feb 2015 #81

The problem is that the person you're responding to is reading into her statement Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #152

This deserves a thousand recs. Sincerely. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #92

+1 nt F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #79

EXACTLY!! You get it! Why are people in this thread acting as if they don't? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #144

Outrage porn? upaloopa Feb 2015 #3

I'm sorry but... Takket Feb 2015 #5

Wrong. You are wrong. bravenak Feb 2015 #6

....or too easily offended. Takket Feb 2015 #7

Wrong again. bravenak Feb 2015 #16

I'm saying you are perceiving a slight where none exists Takket Feb 2015 #72

Ok. bravenak Feb 2015 #78

Self-righteous and or thristy for attention romanic Feb 2015 #101

You know so much about me. bravenak Feb 2015 #102

Spare me the melodrama. romanic Feb 2015 #112

No bravenak Feb 2015 #113

. romanic Feb 2015 #114

Do we really need to draw a Venn diagram? Takket Feb 2015 #9

I know... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #10

ave you taken even a moment's pause to consider ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #11

yes and... Takket Feb 2015 #21

What you are saying here is NOT what you replied above ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #33

GOOd FOR HER> YES!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #48

Yes, I have. I know women of color and LGBT who are Not FEMINISTS. Don't you? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #41

She must be ostracized Depaysement Feb 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #30

WOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #35

He's all about that income inequality YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #37

I suspect you may be correct. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #116

WTH? 840high Feb 2015 #34

I think she meant well Bjorn Against Feb 2015 #38

And, to her substantial credit, she even clarified things on Twitter..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #64

I know she wasn't being homophobic. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #89

The best way not to offend for what you say -- is to keep your mouth closed. DeSwiss Feb 2015 #91

It's a reason why I've become so critical of SJWesque loopiness as of late. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #93

Evidently. Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #94

When she said ALL WOMEN, that is exactly what she meant. This was about women, and that people are still_one Feb 2015 #107

Well she did leave out Jewish, Muslim, and Native American women also. In all seriousness it is still_one Feb 2015 #103

She said "every woman." BainsBane Feb 2015 #106

Exactly, and her context was inclusive for all women. It is so obvious what she meant it is still_one Feb 2015 #108

The controversy? "people of color and gays need to fight for us like we fought for them"... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #154

I didn't see that part BainsBane Feb 2015 #156

Here it is... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #159

I see your point BainsBane Feb 2015 #161

She asked... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #165

So, all the people who are angry at Arquette for her statements...not just me... Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #169

Don't get it either malaise Feb 2015 #111

Why? the answer is "intersectionality" Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #115

Exactly. historylovr Feb 2015 #117

Gotta divide if you want to conquer. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #118

I was thinking wtf too until it occurred to me... Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #119

Agreed... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #120

There seems to be more to it than that. romanic Feb 2015 #160

Yeah, I don't get it treestar Feb 2015 #121

She probably should've said... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #125

Well if you attack the messenger you never have to hear the message. dilby Feb 2015 #122

She didn't have to! It was understood by us. So let me turn your statement around... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #123

I don't get your leap of logic at all. Demit Feb 2015 #127

Nope. That's your lack of understanding of what I wrote. And you calling me angry... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #136

Show me where I called you angry. Demit Feb 2015 #142

You don't get to tell me what to do. I am a black woman. Black women, on average, Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #143

But I didn't tell you what to do. Demit Feb 2015 #147

Yes she meant Black Men and Gay Men. dilby Feb 2015 #130

Can you point out specifically where she said "ALL WOMEN" because I do not recall her Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #134

Right here: dilby Feb 2015 #137

Look, don't play me for stupid! That's not what I am referring to and you know it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #141

I find the debate over fredamae Feb 2015 #128

Thank you. I made the exact same point on another post. whathehell Feb 2015 #129

Another liberal circular firing squad. Squabbling over who is more entitled Lex Feb 2015 #131

WOW Mr Dixon Feb 2015 #133

Because no good point can go unshitted on, on teh internets. Inkfreak Feb 2015 #140

Arquette fires back Takket Feb 2015 #145

Good for her. And her critics need to LISTEN... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #148

All that she states/writes here is FINE! No one takes issue with what she's writing here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #157

She's not telling you or any other black woman what to do... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #162

Note: AFTER the backlash she got. She acting like a victim doesn't work on me. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #155

She doesn't care if people are pissed; that's hardly acting like a victim. SMC22307 Feb 2015 #158

The right wing echo propaganda machine is effective at changing things. Dawson Leery Feb 2015 #151

This whole thing would be funny if it wasn't so fucktastically sad BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #153

K&R for "fucktastically sad." WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #163

Never mind. The Church Of Perpetual Outrage is too busy huffing and puffing to hear any sense Doctor_J Feb 2015 #167

This is a problem that is marym625 Feb 2015 #168