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71. What Snowden revealed is the only vindication he needs

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Suck it up, Snowden-haters: New Yorker on "Why Citizenfour Deserved Its Oscar" [View all] 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 OP

So because the documentary won an Oscar....that vindicates Snowden? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #1

Excuse me for celebrating the truth being told so boldly 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #5

Answer the question about Anerican Sniper treestar Feb 2015 #103

Fine. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #192

You said that and you haven't even seen the movie? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #275

Which movie? 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #285

That is what I am talking about.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #319

Don't Engage The NSA Lovers billhicks76 Feb 2015 #329

and I rec your post! well said! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #342

Why, can't debate? treestar Feb 2015 #356

It's emotional for them, not logical ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2015 #369

Interesting point about how they might use it for good treestar Feb 2015 #411

You Are Absurd billhicks76 Feb 2015 #494

That's just crazy treestar Feb 2015 #496

Yes They Can...You Need To Read More billhicks76 Feb 2015 #499

Dream On billhicks76 Feb 2015 #475

This ^^ AzDar Feb 2015 #431

Ah, one of my fave DU cliches ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #491

How About If You Support Snowden Then You're A Paulite billhicks76 Feb 2015 #505

The fact remains ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #506

You said suck it up treestar Feb 2015 #355

Please stop complaining. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #365

Non-responsive treestar Feb 2015 #406

OK - I appreciate that. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #407

Why is it wrong in itself to have a problem with them? treestar Feb 2015 #412

Now we're splitting hairs 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #415

"truth being told so boldly" from an undisclosed location in Moscow? George II Feb 2015 #107

.. because the US Gov't has strayed from its claims to legitimacy 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #181

How has it done that? George II Feb 2015 #191

By authorizing 24/7 100%-penetration spying on the American citizenry 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #209

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #314

Your first sentence is untrue treestar Feb 2015 #358

-10 nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #363

This message was self-deleted by its author 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #206

As opposed to Russia which has invaded the Ukraine? cstanleytech Feb 2015 #211

Listen. Just because there is a WORSE government than ours 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #219

But that "worse" government is the one Snowden has chosen to embrace in lieu of his own. George II Feb 2015 #220

To the shame of the USA, IMHO 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #221

No, that is to the shame of Snowden. cstanleytech Feb 2015 #224

The shame is that he fled the country, unlike most others in similar positions, who WERE heroes George II Feb 2015 #229

+1 uhnope Feb 2015 #249

Nevermind that heroes like Daniel Ellsberg have endorsed Snowden's decision to leave n/t markpkessinger Feb 2015 #254

Yes, we can disagree with Daniel Ellsberg on the subject treestar Feb 2015 #414

I still find it odd that people don't find him a hero but rpannier Feb 2015 #272

Don't forget... freebrew Feb 2015 #339

"Chosen to embrace?" markpkessinger Feb 2015 #253

What was he doing in Moscow in the first place? Presumably his final destination..... George II Feb 2015 #267

He faced ZERO possibility of a fair trial in the U.S. markpkessinger Feb 2015 #277

Everyone charged with a crime could say that treestar Feb 2015 #497

Not everyone who is charged with a crime . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #502

So in the absence of facts you are making stuff up now? blackspade Feb 2015 #384

What did I make up? George II Feb 2015 #399

Your speculation is entirely made up. blackspade Feb 2015 #424

You mean he didn't go to Hong Kong? He didn't go to Moscow? He didn't have a ticket to Havana? George II Feb 2015 #439

You know what I meant comrade blackspade Feb 2015 #465

I wasn't aware that the United States' legitimacy was defined in relation to Russia n/t markpkessinger Feb 2015 #252

Its not which makes me wonder why he choose Russia cstanleytech Feb 2015 #260

So far as I know . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #278

It does however have a heliport. nt cstanleytech Feb 2015 #295

So tell me . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #341

By contacting the Vatican and asking them to provide a private cstanleytech Feb 2015 #450

U.S. allies forced the Bolivian president's plane to land based on a rumor Snowden was on board . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #452

I dont know if they would divert it but they might not be as tempted cstanleytech Feb 2015 #453

"Might" is one helluva gamble . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #455

I think it was better gamble than going to Russia even if it wasnt part of his plan cstanleytech Feb 2015 #456

I doubt the Vatican would have permitted itself to be placed in that position in the first place n/t markpkessinger Feb 2015 #458

Oh you are probably about that but I think he probably safer there than I suspect he will cstanleytech Feb 2015 #459

That very well could be . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #461

irrelevent! wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #343

There's an entire law passed by that constitutional democracy treestar Feb 2015 #357

The NSA 100% penetration spying on Americans 24/7 is an unconstitutional abomination. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #367

Problem is though Snowden also released alot of other information that wasnt about cstanleytech Feb 2015 #451

I have yet to see any credible evidence that the Snowden file 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #462

Problem is I only pointed out that some of the cstanleytech Feb 2015 #463

The Constitution & Bill of Rights are higher laws 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #490

Sorry but neither of those gives anyone a right to break the law. nt cstanleytech Feb 2015 #495

. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #498

Boy that sucker is going off maybe you should try reducing the amount you produce? cstanleytech Feb 2015 #500

So, explain how the "Whistleblower law to back up it being enforced properly." blackspade Feb 2015 #389

Red baiting, the last gasp of the far right as they cling to the past where every one on the 'left' sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #478

Nice use of illogical fallacy, "So because the documentary won an Oscar....that vindicates Snowden?" rhett o rick Feb 2015 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author elias49 Feb 2015 #86

and WHO is using the Logical Fallacy? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #147

Which guy believes an Oscar vindicates Snowden? nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #408

Apparently the guy that wrote this OP who now admits ha hasn't even seen the movie! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #445

Let's get back to the logical fallacy, strawman, you set up when you infer that the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #446

Nothing illogical about it....what IS illogical...is making the proclamation..."suck it up" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #447

I absolutely agree. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #449

Umm, that clearly was *not* the point of the OP. -eom gcomeau Feb 2015 #291

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #315

precisely! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #344

How predictable. Scuba Feb 2015 #12

Yes sometimes the truth IS predictable isn't it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #148

The truth is that only authoritarians think Snowden needs any 'vindication.' Scuba Feb 2015 #212

What it specifically means is that among voting members of the Academy who are documentary film Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #15

It's a good documentary. Especially when you contrast it with Snowden's 'live' performances. msanthrope Feb 2015 #24

Excellent point. joshcryer Feb 2015 #258

Careful editing and very good direction. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #264

Do you know people in the Academy who vote on the films? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #104

Documentarians in the Academy decide on the list of nominees. MADem Feb 2015 #284

And people who make documentaries probably care very much about the content, subject JDPriestly Feb 2015 #288

Again? I think you are confusing me with someone else. MADem Feb 2015 #290

Sorry if I confused you with someone else. I was out at a meeting between posts. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #297

Then what was this snarky OP about? Certainly not the quality of the film.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #149

"Vindicates?" Most people don't share your view that Snowden's heroism needs "vindication." PSPS Feb 2015 #29

Actually most people do....its a crime...by any stretch of the imagination... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #150

I guess we'll put this under #13 PSPS Feb 2015 #170

No lets file this under...."the truth hurts sometimes doesn't it?" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #172

Good point LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #231

+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #316

+2 nt grasswire Feb 2015 #428

NO YOU are the one that is keeping Odd company on a Democratic site... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #437

"Heroism"? Running off to a country that just three decades ago was our greatest enemy.... George II Feb 2015 #171

More red baiting... blackspade Feb 2015 #394

So then why were Hong Kong and Havana also on his itinerary? George II Feb 2015 #401

You tell me comrade George.... blackspade Feb 2015 #409

oh brother -- CREATIVE SPECULATION! grasswire Feb 2015 #429

"Creative Speculation"? He DID go to Hong Kong and Moscow, and he DID have a ticket to Havana. George II Feb 2015 #442

yes, but you are implying that he's a communist fellow traveler because of that itinerary. grasswire Feb 2015 #448

What did he do wrong? He reported crimes against the Constitution to the American people. Can you sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #45

Some are probably worried... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #88

I know. And that is so sad, that people would care more about sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #109

Most want their team to win... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #122

I understand that, I wanted our team to win also because I thought 'winning' meant something sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #129

I agree fully... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #133

"Your team"???? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #151

You completely missed the point and what sabrina meant by "team". cui bono Feb 2015 #157

No actually I didn't.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #158

Yes, actually, you did. But that's okay, no one else did! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #217

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Feb 2015 #256

No I didn't and you know that.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #276

'My team' = Democratic Party, the Blue Team. Now read it again and read the post I responded to. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #279

If you cannot pledge to support the winner of the Democratic Primary....EVEN if that is VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #318

Wow! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #364

Like I said...you don't understand the meaning of a "team" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #370

You don't understand teams. Teams need good coaches in order to keep winning. The coaches sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #397

a President is not a coach....a President is a Leader.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #402

teams NEED loyal players...that is all...WE are NOT the management... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #435

I just explained what a team is to you. Politicians are the players, WE ARE THE MANAGEMENT. They sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #476

that isn't a team you describe grasswire Feb 2015 #430

Yes...IT is a team....and a good team REQUIRES team loyalty! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #436

Thank you, scary isn't it? Pledges of loyalty to OUR employees, who ever HEARD of such a thing in a sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #477

Who ever heard of such a thing in Democracy? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #486

Oh Great.... Loyalty Oaths. bvar22 Feb 2015 #493

yes, you did awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #304

No I didn't....and the point still stands! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #323

yes you did but keep denying it! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #345

I deny nothing....what is YOUR description of a team by the way? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #371

well... wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #376

Just as I thought....you cannot describe a team VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #380

ok then. wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #382

Exactly! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #383

feeling like some sort of big shot now!? wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #390

And had you watched the Doc... ReRe Feb 2015 #273

yep! thank you. n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #393

You and I are becoming fast friends. ReRe Feb 2015 #425

cool! wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #427

Nobody will rein in anything. Whatever we can do we will, wether we want to believe it or not. Pisces Feb 2015 #351

You don't think they already know? nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #443

Your conclusions are off treestar Feb 2015 #106

How fucking hard is this to understand? gcomeau Feb 2015 #289

Citation? blackspade Feb 2015 #398

Here you go. gcomeau Feb 2015 #438

Thanks. blackspade Feb 2015 #464

This message was self-deleted by its author grasswire Feb 2015 #444

Can you explain why Muhammad Ali went to jail? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #321

Yes, because something went terribly wrong with this democracy back then. And now it has gone sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #362

No...its called COURAGE! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #372

even if THAT means supporting criminal activity....Yeah I get it! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #374

Well, unless our Intel community are lying to us, again, we DO know. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #392

Are you sure you want to be the 1st Responder. bahrbearian Feb 2015 #46

Yes I am sure.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #159

your point about American Sniper is right on uhnope Feb 2015 #63

uhhh ... nope. n/t SaveOurDemocracy Feb 2015 #83

Uh yes it is..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #322

+10000000 treestar Feb 2015 #110

But American Sniper didn't win and for good reason. I would not even watch it. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #113

I respect that. uhnope Feb 2015 #121

I already know what war does to families. Don't need to see the film. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #199

Yep. Being a soldier destroyed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi families. Luminous Animal Feb 2015 #223

+1 ozone_man Feb 2015 #261

and that is also not what I asked.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #152

Some would. And some would see it as a loss for their team. I would. But I might change my JDPriestly Feb 2015 #198

What Snowden revealed is the only vindication he needs pscot Feb 2015 #71

actually its still a crime....not vindicated... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #153

OK... ReRe Feb 2015 #281

You know that is exactly what Conservatives say, right? randome Feb 2015 #337

Its exactly what this Liberal says actually. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #375

I don't know what the Conservatives say. ReRe Feb 2015 #422

It used to be a crime Caretha Feb 2015 #324

one was a documentary, one was a work of fiction. two different genres. niyad Feb 2015 #76

Still didn't answer the question.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #155

meaning is in the mind of the beholder. there are many who believe that snowden niyad Feb 2015 #202

I've seen award winning movies about Al Capone and Bonnie and Clyde..... George II Feb 2015 #105

Precisely! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #156

Nope. Snowden requires no vindication. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #141

This whole "Snowden is God because he won an Oscar" thing is just about the dumbest thing Number23 Feb 2015 #240

is that the sound of it being sucked up? lild Feb 2015 #248

not unless that is what laughter sounds like to you... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #274

Chauncey Gardner speaks! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #480

Hell, I'm *glad* he won Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #2

Even if, and that's a big if, he's caught, Unknown Beatle Feb 2015 #16

there can be no downfall grasswire Feb 2015 #26

A shame he doesn't have the stones to "start that conversation" in Moscow.... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #85

It is not having stones that you are suggesting, it is being stupid. zeemike Feb 2015 #135

back away from the spy novels.... grasswire Feb 2015 #144

I think it might be personal, grasswire. There's something pathological going on there. 2banon Feb 2015 #467

oh really grasswire Feb 2015 #468

The Greenwald/Poitras/Snowden/Guardian team has already won so many honors that any JDPriestly Feb 2015 #117

I cherish Aerows Feb 2015 #241

Right, Aerows... ReRe Feb 2015 #280

Upton Sinclair... merrily Feb 2015 #301

Yeah... ReRe Feb 2015 #423

A-fucking-men! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #348

I think you are supposed to cackle maniacally when quoting supervillains lild Feb 2015 #246

I'm still waiting for those promised links, in which you will prove Greenwald is a liar. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #334

.... 2banon Feb 2015 #466

Well, that was a nasty and confrontational subject line, wasn't it? MADem Feb 2015 #3

Title line of op were 1/2 my words .. yep. So what? 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #7

You led with the nasty. Your choice. Whatever. nt MADem Feb 2015 #8

What's that word again? BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #82

There's no "irony" in leading with a divisive subject line to start a thread. MADem Feb 2015 #286

Well--given the last OP--that was deleted by this poster, natch.....this is a step up!!! msanthrope Feb 2015 #18

I am just getting tired of "anticipated confrontation." MADem Feb 2015 #28

It's easy to post articles--harder so to defend an ideal with articles. A lost art here on DU. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #33

"Team sports" or "high school cliques!" MADem Feb 2015 #39

And rec-gaining....as if the multidude of one's socks meant approval....nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #43

Sad that this drives people so profoundly. I mean, really--it's supposed to be a nice way to pass MADem Feb 2015 #54

For shits and giggles....if you click on some recs, you'll see that the only time in the last 6 msanthrope Feb 2015 #58

Admins should start doing some IP checks--couldn't hurt. Might help. nt MADem Feb 2015 #62

I think admin just ought to collect fees. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #64

Maybe this should devolve to a paid membership site--something's gotta give. MADem Feb 2015 #69

Results Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #271

My, my....Hit a little close to home, I guess. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #332

The thread last night discussing the Oscar win.. one_voice Feb 2015 #95

Yes, and why would you think that? It could have been directed at right wingers. cui bono Feb 2015 #99

Do you often post on a Democratic site... one_voice Feb 2015 #165

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. cui bono Feb 2015 #169

Unfortunately it increasingly seems so. Lots of conservatives nowadays. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #227

Hee hee---you gave me my laugh of the day! MADem Feb 2015 #108

Calling out and insulting with pettiness the last time, too..eh? I can kind of tell by the replies. Cha Feb 2015 #259

Worse...disgusting OP source, left up, far too long. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #265

There was never "discussion" to be had from the more virulent Snowden attackers. Marr Feb 2015 #111

The subject line title divides the board and spoils for a fight. It was unnecessary. MADem Feb 2015 #283

+1. merrily Feb 2015 #306

Yes, quite "republican", like "why do you hate America" or "you're either with us or against us"! George II Feb 2015 #114

Much more like "Hillary haters," "Obama haters," etc. merrily Feb 2015 #307

So true treestar Feb 2015 #115

Hehe...Comrade Eddie. So apropos. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #327

DUer msanthrope I think started it! treestar Feb 2015 #354

LOL, whining about titles now? Hit a nerve? nt Logical Feb 2015 #208

You really think a subject line "calling out" board members is helpful? MADem Feb 2015 #282

And when you consider that by every measure, it is conservatives that have supported Snowden Number23 Feb 2015 #244

"it is conservatives that have supported Snowden" (Number23, post 244) bvar22 Feb 2015 #433

Yes, don't let the several articles I linked to that CONFIRM what I wrote distort your foolish Number23 Feb 2015 #434

Much like the omnipresent references to "Hillary haters," "Obama haters," etc. merrily Feb 2015 #305

Here come the authoritarians. This thread is guaranteed a hundred plus replies with little substance Electric Monk Feb 2015 #4

As I mentioned above: "Whistle-blowers are heroes to those that value freedom. They are despised by rhett o rick Feb 2015 #11

I must admit, I didn't expect this to pass 500 replies, but here we are. Can it make a thousand? nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #510

LOL, do we need to explain to Amy Davidson that "prosecute him under the Espionage Act" won't FSogol Feb 2015 #6

Nah... I think "persecute him under the Espionage Act" works better in that instance! cascadiance Feb 2015 #27

Citizenfour on HBO tonight at 9 p.m. PADemD Feb 2015 #10

It's free on the Internets. Cryptome should have it. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #19

I'm watching… Here's more info... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #137

Some may want to "hang the traitor" but fact is, he should not have to even face trial. Scuba Feb 2015 #13

Snowden believes leakers should be shot. His words. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #41

Believes or believed? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #77

Yeah, and he changed his mind. That's like saying Obama doesn't believe in gay marriage. nt F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #78

Oh, and what does he think about Social Security? Does he still think NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #167

That's all well and good. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #173

I look at the full picture. Just because Dick Cheney supports same-sex marriage doesn't mean NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #195

What does that have to do with anything? cui bono Feb 2015 #175

I don't support right-wing nuts. You're welcome to. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #193

So you would sit in a burning theater rather than listen to a teabagger tell you it's on fire? cui bono Feb 2015 #197

Nope. I just wouldn't call myself a supporter. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #239

"Liberal." Maedhros Feb 2015 #230

Liberals don't support right-wing libertarians who hate Social Security. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #236

Yep... right about the time the white house changed hands. -eom gcomeau Feb 2015 #292

Obama used to believe in denying gays their right to marriage equality. He changed his mind riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #81

Yes, but did Obama express hatred for LGBT individuals? randome Feb 2015 #91

Maybe he learned new facts about what was going on in our government and that is why he JDPriestly Feb 2015 #124

He wasn't an intelligence analyst. How would he have known anything? randome Feb 2015 #132

Please read Greenwald's book. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #203

No, I have an enormous backlog of books to read. randome Feb 2015 #210

Lol! Now its degrees of changing one's mind?! Your shtick is old riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #126

It's not a schtick. It's an opinion, as is yours. randome Feb 2015 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #350

Why the shrug? You have no confidence in your insult? randome Feb 2015 #352

not an insult but an observation... wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #353

You do realize that people can change their minds, right? cui bono Feb 2015 #96

And what corruption would that be, regarding Snowden's documents? randome Feb 2015 #100

Have you read Greenwald's book, No Place to Hide? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #130

You do not own national security documents. Sorry, but no country tolerates leakers. randome Feb 2015 #136

Funny how you refuse to use the term whisteblower. n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #160

Not so funny. There are specific procedures to follow for being a whistleblower. randome Feb 2015 #164

And as has been noted hundreds of times on this board and many times in documentaries cui bono Feb 2015 #174

'Enormous increase'? A total of 8 individuals have been prosecuted under the Espionage Act... randome Feb 2015 #177

It only took 5 prosecutions to make it more than all other presidents combined. cui bono Feb 2015 #182

The people own the naitonal security documents. Leaking to the people who own the documents JDPriestly Feb 2015 #201

I never said Snowden is guilty of treason or is a traitor. randome Feb 2015 #204

"Checks and balances" refers to the system of government, not to any specific statute. merrily Feb 2015 #308

He was a whistleblower. Why are you so adamant that he is a criminal? cui bono Feb 2015 #168

Obama pushed the FISA Amendments Act to put greater restrictions on how data is handled. randome Feb 2015 #176

Obama pushed to legalize the illegal warrantless wiretapping BushCo did. cui bono Feb 2015 #178

Is there a difference between a "leaker" and a "whistleblower"? Martin Eden Feb 2015 #325

+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #317

Why ever not? treestar Feb 2015 #416

"Where he fled to if they decide to accuse him of anything, does he think the trial would be fairer? Scuba Feb 2015 #441

See I have no problem giving credit where credit is due... one_voice Feb 2015 #14

Well said, thank you. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #17

It's a very good documentary. So was Triumph of the Will. Just as American Sniper is a well-made msanthrope Feb 2015 #20

Yes, like when the media is urging us to go to war... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #214

Indeed...I've often wondered why the Left only challenges the motivations msanthrope Feb 2015 #269

You know that liberal media, liberals just love it.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #270

Well--certainly claiming that one is "Liberal" causes some on the Left to lose perspective..... msanthrope Feb 2015 #336

Generallly I watch who attacks the content and who attacks the source Fumesucker Feb 2015 #346

And there, you've illustrated the problem, perfectly. You seem to msanthrope Feb 2015 #359

"some sources are so repugnant in their agenda that their content is beneath contempt." Fumesucker Feb 2015 #360

I believe you meant credible, not credulous. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #377

I'll let my autocorrect know you object to its grammar. It will be hurt.....but I give you this.... msanthrope Feb 2015 #379

It completely changes the meaning of the word. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #381

I'm sure it does, and I'm delighted that you took the time and effort to monitor my posts to msanthrope Feb 2015 #387

Have a nice day. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #391

You, too!!! I'll be posting a few more things today, perhaps you can monitor them for me msanthrope Feb 2015 #395

Good heavens. I think you're suggesting that we discuss things on a discussion board. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #400

Triumph of the Will was a flop Fred Drum Feb 2015 #255

It was one of the three most profitable films that year... joshcryer Feb 2015 #262

Yes.....like Birth of a Nation, and American Sniper, it is a brilliant film....it serves msanthrope Feb 2015 #268

except that Sontag said the exact opposite reorg Feb 2015 #294

It is an excellent documentary, which is the point of what Sontag said. That it cannot be msanthrope Feb 2015 #340

actually, it isn't even a documentary at all reorg Feb 2015 #479

It's "one of the greatest films in history." Propaganda, but a great film, technically speaking. MADem Feb 2015 #302

Triumph of the Will was a Nazi government commissioned propaganda film not a documentary. merrily Feb 2015 #309

Indeed....but all documentaries are propaganda. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #331

Maybe, but Triumph of the Will is not comparable to a privately made documentary. merrily Feb 2015 #472

what utter bull reorg Feb 2015 #481

Yes. Well said. randome Feb 2015 #21

OK, maybe it was a bit snarky, I'll admit that. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #22

Because we don't accept that people are "whistleblowers" just because they say they are. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #31

The whole freaking world "knows" Snowden is a whistle-blower 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #42

Um, no--the "whole freakin' world" does not. Which is why Comrade Eddie is too scared to face msanthrope Feb 2015 #51

I don't care if he fled to Mars, JEB Feb 2015 #67

You never want to see sausage made, then....nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #73

Is that a snarky way of defending spying JEB Feb 2015 #75

Illegal surveillance isn't something I support. I just don't get too bothered msanthrope Feb 2015 #90

Did you really say Caretha Feb 2015 #326

Careful Caretha. Puglover Feb 2015 #328

"Grannie?" Why is that term an insult to you? Yes--Comrade Eddie. Guess who I call "James Blond?" msanthrope Feb 2015 #335

We all get snarky... one_voice Feb 2015 #36

Hit the edit button and change it. Until you do, the snark is going to be a distraction. DonViejo Feb 2015 #37

Since many of the replies have referred to that, I'm not changing it. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #47

Good. nt elias49 Feb 2015 #94

then you DO think that the Oscar vindicated Snowden? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #162

The Oscar certainly doesn't hurt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #179

Bingo. Game-set-match! MADem Feb 2015 #32

Same for Eastwood here, too. And Ray Bradbury. randome Feb 2015 #40

Exactly... one_voice Feb 2015 #48

"The fact that I'm told to suck it up on a Democratic board gives me pause." bahrbearian Feb 2015 #52

So you admit you are a Snowden Hater. one_voice Feb 2015 #72

Whatever happened to 'it's not the person, it's the message'? revmclaren Feb 2015 #80

Do you also agree that the swiftboating of GG is no better than teabaggers? n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #112

Since you're asking me a question that has nothing.. one_voice Feb 2015 #166

Exactly. treestar Feb 2015 #118

Perfect Response! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #163

I prefer the term 'Snowden mocker'. randome Feb 2015 #23

get a new schtick. grasswire Feb 2015 #30

I know, Snowden has so failed to live up to the hype I posted, right? randome Feb 2015 #35

Thank you. LeftOfWest Feb 2015 #55

At this point, unlike the NSA, Snowden certainly has little or no reason to lie about any of this, 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #34

Whistle blowers? No. Leakers? Well, I say laws and statutes should address that. randome Feb 2015 #38

Hmm... Is Twitter suing the NSA if the claim that the NSA had access to their data is "bullshit"? cascadiance Feb 2015 #44

That's not about 'secret' or 'direct' access. randome Feb 2015 #50

Umm.. Twitter is suing because they are not ALLOWED (Aka NOT "public") to talk about... cascadiance Feb 2015 #60

Do you EVER know if a warrant is legitimate or not? randome Feb 2015 #65

If you're speaking of the FISA court, guess who nominated ALL of the justices on that court? cascadiance Feb 2015 #84

Yeah, I know all about that. It's all one gigantic conspiracy... randome Feb 2015 #87

Because those who DO have evidence to support it have to leave the country... cascadiance Feb 2015 #98

John Kiriakou defended waterboarding, and Sibel Edmonds thinks Greenwald is a piece of crap---a msanthrope Feb 2015 #338

So... You are saying that Kiriako defended waterboarding more than others and cascadiance Feb 2015 #366

In the thousands of requests for secret Warrants from FISA, bvar22 Feb 2015 #102

We've been down this road before. randome Feb 2015 #119

You're not going to claim that 33,000 warrants means the NSA is spying on the world, are you? randome Feb 2015 #120

THanks for answering my question. bvar22 Feb 2015 #142

33,000 warrants out of 300,000,000 citizens. randome Feb 2015 #146

Not exactly since Obama pushed to legalize what was illegal under BushCo. cui bono Feb 2015 #187

Well, I never weighed in on anything the NSA was doing before Snowden. randome Feb 2015 #196

And then when that evidence is presented you are prepared to throw the whistleblower in jail? cui bono Feb 2015 #200

I will always support whistleblowers. But not self-described heroic leakers. randome Feb 2015 #215

NSA admitted to "downloading the internet." joshcryer Feb 2015 #53

If you're talking about Bush's AT&T operation, that was not the entire Internet. randome Feb 2015 #57

Yeah, it's all public plaintext. joshcryer Feb 2015 #128

It's only Powerpoint slides! They don't prove anything! DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #56

A fool is someone who hands millions of documents over to corporate media offices... randome Feb 2015 #61

You still don't have any grasp of what was on those 'fake' slides. DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #66

They weren't fake slides. S&G simply misinterpreted them. randome Feb 2015 #68

According to you powerpoint slides weren't evidence of anything. DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #74

I never said they were evidence of nothing. They were clearly 'evidence' of PRISM. randome Feb 2015 #79

I remember clearly how you would go on and on about how they were only powerpoint slides. DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #134

I hadn't thought about the NSA for probably years before Snowden. randome Feb 2015 #139

This schtick is only getting more pathetic. Marr Feb 2015 #97

Well said it 99th! :) Helen Borg Feb 2015 #25

Let me know when the laws are repealed. joshcryer Feb 2015 #49

Actually,, it's a thread about an Oscar winning documentary merrily Feb 2015 #310

How does that disagree with what I've said? joshcryer Feb 2015 #312

What I disagreed with is obvious to anyone who can read and cares to see it. merrily Feb 2015 #474

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #59

Suck it up, America haters, while you're at it BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #70

Who are the "America haters"? n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #89

Are you saying a fair portion of this board doesn't think we are the most vile, BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #116

I asked a question, I never made any statement. Care to answer? n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #154

Wow, welcome to 2003. Marr Feb 2015 #93

You are either with us or you are with the terrorists Mnpaul Feb 2015 #125

What does that have to do with us being spied upon? LittleBlue Feb 2015 #123

' America haters' KG Feb 2015 #127

They get jailed, video confiscated, and deported. joshcryer Feb 2015 #188

When someone can be widely applauded *and* called a "traitor"... Marr Feb 2015 #92

Both views are tolerated BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #140

I agree with you 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #185

Uh, the film is *about* an American whistleblower who is currently hiding from his own government Marr Feb 2015 #186

Who fled to Russia, where you can get killed for making films like Citizenfour BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #347

What a sad rationalization. If someone punches you in the gut, Marr Feb 2015 #361

K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #101

I had to chuckle Android3.14 Feb 2015 #131

K&R Thank you, Edward Snowden. woo me with science Feb 2015 #143

It's not DU's "haters" he has to worry about. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #145

there it is... grasswire Feb 2015 #189

"If the goal was to help his pal Pooty Poot..." cui bono Feb 2015 #205

Awwww.. poor Snowden.. he's trying his damnedest to spread USA hate.. not sure if ol Putin is egging Cha Feb 2015 #266

Still can't believe he said that. I agree with Bill Maher, "he's stupid" & he has "machismo". Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #388

I found Harris's joke to be in incredibly poor taste . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #161

^^^ this ^^^ malokvale77 Feb 2015 #183

+100 good one. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #194

And the apologists who accept it without questioning. n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #207

And worse, defend it. (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2015 #216

You might want to look up the definition of treason then as none of those parties mentioned cstanleytech Feb 2015 #226

As far as I am concerned... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #233

Your concerns are immaterial to what the law says is treason and cstanleytech Feb 2015 #237

I agree on the Snowden part. malokvale77 Feb 2015 #242

Try wiki cstanleytech Feb 2015 #245

So wiki is the decider. malokvale77 Feb 2015 #247

Nope its just information. Its up to you to decide if you cstanleytech Feb 2015 #250

Agreed, although I should add . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #238

Yes malokvale77 Feb 2015 #243

K & R malokvale77 Feb 2015 #180

heehee, way to piss off the MIC lovin' authoritarian corporatists!!! Zorra Feb 2015 #184

Credit to 99th_Monkey for getting the fish to bite... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #190

Aww malokvale77 Feb 2015 #213

Oh, by all means smart guy Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #298

OK, good for you. (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2015 #299

A shame... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #300

That is not why people avoid your threads. bvar22 Feb 2015 #492

Look At All The Authoritarins In This Thread... And Some Say... They Pratcice Law... WillyT Feb 2015 #218

I'd sooner trust any DUer who demonstrates a knowledge of the law... randome Feb 2015 #222

What About A Knowledge Of Justice, And The Constitution ??? WillyT Feb 2015 #225

So Snowden is a Constitutional scholar now? I wasn't aware of that. randome Feb 2015 #313

has the law Eddie would be charged under been treestar Feb 2015 #421

Er, most cases have two sides? treestar Feb 2015 #420

It's entirely acceptable to dislike Snowden, the person. Maedhros Feb 2015 #228

There are those who would have us believe Michael Moore, Greenwald and other investigative whereisjustice Feb 2015 #232

Well said 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #234

Those who hate investigative journalists are more comfortable with GE and Monsanto whereisjustice Feb 2015 #235

An award for entertainment, Progressive dog Feb 2015 #251

Documentaries are generally much more than 'intertainment' 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #257

The award is for entertainment, and that is probably Progressive dog Feb 2015 #263

Are you really claiming that just because Progressive dog Feb 2015 #484

Chelsea Manning 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #489

"Black Fox: The Rise and Fall of Adolf Hitler," "Anne Frank Remembered,"... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #457

I didn't say it wasn't a good film Progressive dog Feb 2015 #482

K&R ReRe Feb 2015 #287

Sadly, I don't have HBO 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #293

Dayam :-( ReRe Feb 2015 #419

AKA "SWOONERS" Skittles Feb 2015 #296

Thank you, Snowden and all who've helped get his messages out. snot Feb 2015 #303

There's only one reason why a film should win an Oscar for best documentary and that is that merrily Feb 2015 #311

yawn B Calm Feb 2015 #320

Wait, I can't be proud that Greenwald won and still have a dislike for Snowden LynneSin Feb 2015 #330

k/R. Your OP has certainly brought them out. marmar Feb 2015 #333

Meanwhile, your boy Greenie is on MSNBC decrying the Oscar's "disgusting opulence" Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #349

And if he did the opposite? LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #373

He hasn't made it very easy for you. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #378

nor really a hater of anyone PatrynXX Feb 2015 #368

You don't hate traitors? You are so kind LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #386

This thread (and topic) sucks. randome Feb 2015 #385

Had you watched the documentary, you'd know. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #403

How did he win? WHAT did he win? randome Feb 2015 #426

What he won is entirely subjective. But he did address this point. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #432

I saw the documentary. Snowden, IMO, articulated what he wanted to win, which was indeed Nay Feb 2015 #508

If only more government contractors did what Snowden did when they disagreed with policy. randome Feb 2015 #512

What a strange OP... "suck it up!" TerrapinFlyer Feb 2015 #396

never be afraid to stand up for what is right WDIM Feb 2015 #404

+100 nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #405

Bravo---410+ posts and still going strong Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #410

That's entirely up to you, if your opinion is moved by the Oscar win. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #413

True...Good points Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #417

Here's hoping 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #418

This is a huge thread, just making sure everything is ok. Did you eat the fish or chicken? Rex Feb 2015 #440

Kick !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #454

My thoughts on this thread. Old and In the Way Feb 2015 #460

Those of you in this thread regurgitating the usual talking points who Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #469

I'm watching now -- and WOW JonLP24 Feb 2015 #470

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #471

Just saw CITIZENFOUR today. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #473

This has been an entertaining thread. It's sort of like that movie, The Purge. randome Feb 2015 #483

Who gets exonerated in that one? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #485

Don't know. Never saw it. But this part of a RottenTomatoes review sounds like every Snowden thread: randome Feb 2015 #487

Oddly enough...neither did the writer of this OP! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #488

You 3 appear to be in a distinct minority 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #504

This thread is just like a movie I never saw. neverforget Feb 2015 #501

It's like they are not even trying anymore! Rex Feb 2015 #511

It's funny but also concerning that opinions are formed that way. neverforget Feb 2015 #513

You 3 appear to be in a distinct minority 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #503

See you at next year's Snowden-fest, 99th! randome Feb 2015 #509

Sorry...he's a poopie head with boxes in his garage. U4ikLefty Feb 2015 #507

None of my points have been proven wrong... Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #514