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In reply to the discussion: Suck it up, Snowden-haters: New Yorker on "Why Citizenfour Deserved Its Oscar" [View all]randome
(34,845 posts)38. Whistle blowers? No. Leakers? Well, I say laws and statutes should address that.
Dumping millions of national security documents to corporate media organizations does not equal a whistle blower, IMO.
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Suck it up, Snowden-haters: New Yorker on "Why Citizenfour Deserved Its Oscar" [View all]
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
OP
But that "worse" government is the one Snowden has chosen to embrace in lieu of his own.
George II
Feb 2015
#220
The shame is that he fled the country, unlike most others in similar positions, who WERE heroes
George II
Feb 2015
#229
Nevermind that heroes like Daniel Ellsberg have endorsed Snowden's decision to leave n/t
markpkessinger
Feb 2015
#254
What was he doing in Moscow in the first place? Presumably his final destination.....
George II
Feb 2015
#267
You mean he didn't go to Hong Kong? He didn't go to Moscow? He didn't have a ticket to Havana?
George II
Feb 2015
#439
I wasn't aware that the United States' legitimacy was defined in relation to Russia n/t
markpkessinger
Feb 2015
#252
U.S. allies forced the Bolivian president's plane to land based on a rumor Snowden was on board . .
markpkessinger
Feb 2015
#452
I think it was better gamble than going to Russia even if it wasnt part of his plan
cstanleytech
Feb 2015
#456
I doubt the Vatican would have permitted itself to be placed in that position in the first place n/t
markpkessinger
Feb 2015
#458
Oh you are probably about that but I think he probably safer there than I suspect he will
cstanleytech
Feb 2015
#459
The NSA 100% penetration spying on Americans 24/7 is an unconstitutional abomination.
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
#367
Problem is though Snowden also released alot of other information that wasnt about
cstanleytech
Feb 2015
#451
Boy that sucker is going off maybe you should try reducing the amount you produce?
cstanleytech
Feb 2015
#500
So, explain how the "Whistleblower law to back up it being enforced properly."
blackspade
Feb 2015
#389
Red baiting, the last gasp of the far right as they cling to the past where every one on the 'left'
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#478
Nice use of illogical fallacy, "So because the documentary won an Oscar....that vindicates Snowden?"
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#9
Apparently the guy that wrote this OP who now admits ha hasn't even seen the movie!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#445
Let's get back to the logical fallacy, strawman, you set up when you infer that the
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#446
Nothing illogical about it....what IS illogical...is making the proclamation..."suck it up"
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#447
What it specifically means is that among voting members of the Academy who are documentary film
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#15
It's a good documentary. Especially when you contrast it with Snowden's 'live' performances.
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#24
And people who make documentaries probably care very much about the content, subject
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#288
Sorry if I confused you with someone else. I was out at a meeting between posts.
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#297
Then what was this snarky OP about? Certainly not the quality of the film....
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#149
"Vindicates?" Most people don't share your view that Snowden's heroism needs "vindication."
PSPS
Feb 2015
#29
Actually most people do....its a crime...by any stretch of the imagination...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#150
NO YOU are the one that is keeping Odd company on a Democratic site...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#437
"Heroism"? Running off to a country that just three decades ago was our greatest enemy....
George II
Feb 2015
#171
"Creative Speculation"? He DID go to Hong Kong and Moscow, and he DID have a ticket to Havana.
George II
Feb 2015
#442
yes, but you are implying that he's a communist fellow traveler because of that itinerary.
grasswire
Feb 2015
#448
What did he do wrong? He reported crimes against the Constitution to the American people. Can you
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#45
I understand that, I wanted our team to win also because I thought 'winning' meant something
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#129
'My team' = Democratic Party, the Blue Team. Now read it again and read the post I responded to.
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#279
If you cannot pledge to support the winner of the Democratic Primary....EVEN if that is
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#318
You don't understand teams. Teams need good coaches in order to keep winning. The coaches
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#397
I just explained what a team is to you. Politicians are the players, WE ARE THE MANAGEMENT. They
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#476
Thank you, scary isn't it? Pledges of loyalty to OUR employees, who ever HEARD of such a thing in a
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#477
Nobody will rein in anything. Whatever we can do we will, wether we want to believe it or not.
Pisces
Feb 2015
#351
Yes, because something went terribly wrong with this democracy back then. And now it has gone
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#362
But American Sniper didn't win and for good reason. I would not even watch it.
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#113
Yep. Being a soldier destroyed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi families.
Luminous Animal
Feb 2015
#223
Some would. And some would see it as a loss for their team. I would. But I might change my
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#198
This whole "Snowden is God because he won an Oscar" thing is just about the dumbest thing
Number23
Feb 2015
#240
A shame he doesn't have the stones to "start that conversation" in Moscow....
Blue_Tires
Feb 2015
#85
I think it might be personal, grasswire. There's something pathological going on there.
2banon
Feb 2015
#467
The Greenwald/Poitras/Snowden/Guardian team has already won so many honors that any
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#117
I'm still waiting for those promised links, in which you will prove Greenwald is a liar.
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#334
Well--given the last OP--that was deleted by this poster, natch.....this is a step up!!!
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#18
It's easy to post articles--harder so to defend an ideal with articles. A lost art here on DU. nt
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#33
Sad that this drives people so profoundly. I mean, really--it's supposed to be a nice way to pass
MADem
Feb 2015
#54
For shits and giggles....if you click on some recs, you'll see that the only time in the last 6
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#58
Yes, and why would you think that? It could have been directed at right wingers.
cui bono
Feb 2015
#99
Calling out and insulting with pettiness the last time, too..eh? I can kind of tell by the replies.
Cha
Feb 2015
#259
The subject line title divides the board and spoils for a fight. It was unnecessary.
MADem
Feb 2015
#283
Yes, quite "republican", like "why do you hate America" or "you're either with us or against us"!
George II
Feb 2015
#114
And when you consider that by every measure, it is conservatives that have supported Snowden
Number23
Feb 2015
#244
Yes, don't let the several articles I linked to that CONFIRM what I wrote distort your foolish
Number23
Feb 2015
#434
Much like the omnipresent references to "Hillary haters," "Obama haters," etc.
merrily
Feb 2015
#305
Here come the authoritarians. This thread is guaranteed a hundred plus replies with little substance
Electric Monk
Feb 2015
#4
As I mentioned above: "Whistle-blowers are heroes to those that value freedom. They are despised by
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#11
I must admit, I didn't expect this to pass 500 replies, but here we are. Can it make a thousand? nt
Electric Monk
Feb 2015
#510
LOL, do we need to explain to Amy Davidson that "prosecute him under the Espionage Act" won't
FSogol
Feb 2015
#6
Nah... I think "persecute him under the Espionage Act" works better in that instance!
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#27
Some may want to "hang the traitor" but fact is, he should not have to even face trial.
Scuba
Feb 2015
#13
Yeah, and he changed his mind. That's like saying Obama doesn't believe in gay marriage. nt
F4lconF16
Feb 2015
#78
I look at the full picture. Just because Dick Cheney supports same-sex marriage doesn't mean
NYC Liberal
Feb 2015
#195
So you would sit in a burning theater rather than listen to a teabagger tell you it's on fire?
cui bono
Feb 2015
#197
Obama used to believe in denying gays their right to marriage equality. He changed his mind
riderinthestorm
Feb 2015
#81
Maybe he learned new facts about what was going on in our government and that is why he
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#124
You do not own national security documents. Sorry, but no country tolerates leakers.
randome
Feb 2015
#136
Not so funny. There are specific procedures to follow for being a whistleblower.
randome
Feb 2015
#164
And as has been noted hundreds of times on this board and many times in documentaries
cui bono
Feb 2015
#174
'Enormous increase'? A total of 8 individuals have been prosecuted under the Espionage Act...
randome
Feb 2015
#177
It only took 5 prosecutions to make it more than all other presidents combined.
cui bono
Feb 2015
#182
The people own the naitonal security documents. Leaking to the people who own the documents
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#201
"Checks and balances" refers to the system of government, not to any specific statute.
merrily
Feb 2015
#308
Obama pushed the FISA Amendments Act to put greater restrictions on how data is handled.
randome
Feb 2015
#176
"Where he fled to if they decide to accuse him of anything, does he think the trial would be fairer?
Scuba
Feb 2015
#441
It's a very good documentary. So was Triumph of the Will. Just as American Sniper is a well-made
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#20
Well--certainly claiming that one is "Liberal" causes some on the Left to lose perspective.....
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#336
"some sources are so repugnant in their agenda that their content is beneath contempt."
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#360
I'll let my autocorrect know you object to its grammar. It will be hurt.....but I give you this....
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#379
I'm sure it does, and I'm delighted that you took the time and effort to monitor my posts to
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#387
You, too!!! I'll be posting a few more things today, perhaps you can monitor them for me
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#395
Good heavens. I think you're suggesting that we discuss things on a discussion board.
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#400
Yes.....like Birth of a Nation, and American Sniper, it is a brilliant film....it serves
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#268
It is an excellent documentary, which is the point of what Sontag said. That it cannot be
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#340
It's "one of the greatest films in history." Propaganda, but a great film, technically speaking.
MADem
Feb 2015
#302
Triumph of the Will was a Nazi government commissioned propaganda film not a documentary.
merrily
Feb 2015
#309
Maybe, but Triumph of the Will is not comparable to a privately made documentary.
merrily
Feb 2015
#472
Because we don't accept that people are "whistleblowers" just because they say they are. nt
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#31
Um, no--the "whole freakin' world" does not. Which is why Comrade Eddie is too scared to face
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#51
Illegal surveillance isn't something I support. I just don't get too bothered
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#90
"Grannie?" Why is that term an insult to you? Yes--Comrade Eddie. Guess who I call "James Blond?"
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#335
Hit the edit button and change it. Until you do, the snark is going to be a distraction.
DonViejo
Feb 2015
#37
"The fact that I'm told to suck it up on a Democratic board gives me pause."
bahrbearian
Feb 2015
#52
Do you also agree that the swiftboating of GG is no better than teabaggers? n/t
cui bono
Feb 2015
#112
At this point, unlike the NSA, Snowden certainly has little or no reason to lie about any of this,
99th_Monkey
Feb 2015
#34
Whistle blowers? No. Leakers? Well, I say laws and statutes should address that.
randome
Feb 2015
#38
Hmm... Is Twitter suing the NSA if the claim that the NSA had access to their data is "bullshit"?
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#44
Umm.. Twitter is suing because they are not ALLOWED (Aka NOT "public") to talk about...
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#60
If you're speaking of the FISA court, guess who nominated ALL of the justices on that court?
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#84
Because those who DO have evidence to support it have to leave the country...
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#98
John Kiriakou defended waterboarding, and Sibel Edmonds thinks Greenwald is a piece of crap---a
msanthrope
Feb 2015
#338
So... You are saying that Kiriako defended waterboarding more than others and
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#366
You're not going to claim that 33,000 warrants means the NSA is spying on the world, are you?
randome
Feb 2015
#120
And then when that evidence is presented you are prepared to throw the whistleblower in jail?
cui bono
Feb 2015
#200
If you're talking about Bush's AT&T operation, that was not the entire Internet.
randome
Feb 2015
#57
A fool is someone who hands millions of documents over to corporate media offices...
randome
Feb 2015
#61
I never said they were evidence of nothing. They were clearly 'evidence' of PRISM.
randome
Feb 2015
#79
I remember clearly how you would go on and on about how they were only powerpoint slides.
DesMoinesDem
Feb 2015
#134
Are you saying a fair portion of this board doesn't think we are the most vile,
BeyondGeography
Feb 2015
#116
Uh, the film is *about* an American whistleblower who is currently hiding from his own government
Marr
Feb 2015
#186
Who fled to Russia, where you can get killed for making films like Citizenfour
BeyondGeography
Feb 2015
#347
Awwww.. poor Snowden.. he's trying his damnedest to spread USA hate.. not sure if ol Putin is egging
Cha
Feb 2015
#266
Still can't believe he said that. I agree with Bill Maher, "he's stupid" & he has "machismo".
Tarheel_Dem
Feb 2015
#388
You might want to look up the definition of treason then as none of those parties mentioned
cstanleytech
Feb 2015
#226
Look At All The Authoritarins In This Thread... And Some Say... They Pratcice Law...
WillyT
Feb 2015
#218
There are those who would have us believe Michael Moore, Greenwald and other investigative
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#232
Those who hate investigative journalists are more comfortable with GE and Monsanto
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#235
"Black Fox: The Rise and Fall of Adolf Hitler," "Anne Frank Remembered,"...
WorseBeforeBetter
Feb 2015
#457
There's only one reason why a film should win an Oscar for best documentary and that is that
merrily
Feb 2015
#311
Wait, I can't be proud that Greenwald won and still have a dislike for Snowden
LynneSin
Feb 2015
#330
Meanwhile, your boy Greenie is on MSNBC decrying the Oscar's "disgusting opulence"
Blue_Tires
Feb 2015
#349
I saw the documentary. Snowden, IMO, articulated what he wanted to win, which was indeed
Nay
Feb 2015
#508
If only more government contractors did what Snowden did when they disagreed with policy.
randome
Feb 2015
#512
This is a huge thread, just making sure everything is ok. Did you eat the fish or chicken?
Rex
Feb 2015
#440
Those of you in this thread regurgitating the usual talking points who
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#469
This has been an entertaining thread. It's sort of like that movie, The Purge.
randome
Feb 2015
#483