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216. Like I said, I liked his columns. They appeared in some paper where I was living in college...

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 02:38 PM

Feb 2015

The landlady got whatever paper it was. I've never been to Chicago, but I liked him.

Sometimes one or two lines from a good columnist will stick with you forever. After the Jonestown Massacre, Royko revealed how many of the children were actually foster children, and commented: The State is a careless mother.

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How many DUers are old enough to have experienced our bad losses? [View all] MohRokTah Feb 2015 OP

I remember all of them MiniMe Feb 2015 #1

Identical Situation Mini ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #180

My first vote was for Jimmy Carter in 1976 Gothmog Feb 2015 #193

Careful, you're injecting pragmatism into the DU fantasy world. FSogol Feb 2015 #2

Pragmatism? Hardly. Falsehoods? Definately .... Scuba Feb 2015 #145

Thank. You. Scuba! Caretha Feb 2015 #155

The OP is wrong about at least half of the timeline offered leveymg Feb 2015 #156

Ross Perot contributed significantly to Clinton's win Calista241 Feb 2015 #271

"but the centrists did when we ran progressives" = +100. Not only abandoned, but sabotaged. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #192

Agreed. I am old enough to remember that also. And I go further back. We nominated Jimmy jwirr Feb 2015 #210

Where can I get that Feingold "button"? Lifelong Protester Feb 2015 #222

... Scuba Feb 2015 #226

Thanks! Lifelong Protester Feb 2015 #257

+++ fadedrose Feb 2015 #268

Wow that made me stop and think.. Peacetrain Feb 2015 #3

If they get the right jury I'm sure the OP could end up hidden. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #4

Oh yeah RoccoRyg Feb 2015 #41

Not sure what George Wallace running in that election has to do with 2016? randys1 Feb 2015 #202

No, he's not right. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #241

When Bill Clinton won the primaries for 1992, I was not very happy about it. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #5

I don't believe a single candidate you mentioned could have defeated Bush. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #6

Because??? NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #16

Jerry Brown is my governor now Frances Feb 2015 #37

Smartest man in the room. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #44

Mike Royko, a columnist in Chicago, called him Governor Moonbeam. It was sick, but it was all over Hekate Feb 2015 #108

And Royko Was An Outspoken Dem ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #182

Like I said, I liked his columns. They appeared in some paper where I was living in college... Hekate Feb 2015 #216

I Was Amplifying Your Point, Not Disagreeing ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #233

I understood, and thank you. Hekate Feb 2015 #242

Both Jerry Brown and Bill Clinton are borderline geniuses in their own right and randys1 Feb 2015 #203

The trouble is that "have to adopt some of it" only lasts up until inauguration. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #206

+100. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #260

walmart & jackson stephens. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #80

Not in those days, pal. Try again. Hekate Feb 2015 #103

is that so? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #214

Because it fits the narrative they are trying to spin and their ideology. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #148

Because RobinA Feb 2015 #160

Except Gore did beat Bush - w/ popular vote, just not Electoral Panich52 Feb 2015 #17

actually the Supreme Court stopped a recount rbrnmw Feb 2015 #24

Actually no. former9thward Feb 2015 #107

Yes, the SCOTUS should've ordered a statewide recount. joshcryer Feb 2015 #125

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #134

By that time it passed the deadline. joshcryer Feb 2015 #139

Nonsense Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #141

It is a fact Gore sought a selective recount. joshcryer Feb 2015 #144

Florida Law demanded that any recounts be selective Bandit Feb 2015 #191

Yeah, but that was also a different Bush. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #84

Wrong. Bush lost because the economy was so bad. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #90

Bush lost because of Perot. former9thward Feb 2015 #112

Also true. But Perot was popular because the economy was terrible and had been terrible JDPriestly Feb 2015 #121

"the giant sucking sound"... former9thward Feb 2015 #184

So we elected a Clinton and Perot's prediction proved true. I don't want to make that mistake JDPriestly Feb 2015 #204

Nonsense Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #143

No, he guessed right on bread. former9thward Feb 2015 #187

Bush lost due to one seminal moment.... CANDO Feb 2015 #196

The arguments don't square. Two of the oldest elections involved the first times we had serious newthinking Feb 2015 #122

Jerry Brown has turned California around. When he was elected, the nation was laughing at our JDPriestly Feb 2015 #92

I think you're wrong about Unknown Beatle Feb 2015 #123

I campaigned for Jerry Brown in '76 pamela Feb 2015 #221

Hilarious. onehandle Feb 2015 #12

Ya. Ricky Ray Rector executed. Don't Ask Don't Tell and NAFTA. Just fucking hilarious. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #18

If only Hillary had Bill's charisma . . .. but she doesn't. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #101

Bill Clinton appointed Breyer and Ginsburg Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #20

And Jerry Brown and McCarthy would have done at least as well. (nt) NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #34

President McCarthy? Frances Feb 2015 #39

Jerry Brown or McCarthy would have lost worse to Bush than Dukakis did. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #50

But Bush Sr. would not and that was the alternative to Clinton. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #73

Breyer sucks. Ginsburg is pretty good. Vattel Feb 2015 #49

Eugene McCarthy had pretty well been reduced to Harold Stassen status by '92 Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2015 #161

2000 and 2010 were ties for the worst losses of all. onehandle Feb 2015 #7

I do treestar Feb 2015 #8

I still have my McGovern button HERVEPA Feb 2015 #15

McGovern was well before my time forest444 Feb 2015 #47

Navy blue with McGovern in white? treestar Feb 2015 #171

I think, but I'll have to check. Still have McCarthy from '68 I believe also. HERVEPA Feb 2015 #172

Gods, do I remember. But it's kind of like being able to remember polio and measles around here... Hekate Feb 2015 #9

One of my saddest childhood memories is my parents actually crying when enough Feb 2015 #10

I remember wearing a Stevenson button in school. RoverSuswade Feb 2015 #86

I'm the same age as you. ANOIS Feb 2015 #209

Too bad that more did not vote for the right people... Bonobo Feb 2015 #11

The only way to alter the two party system is to amend the constitution to end the electoral college MohRokTah Feb 2015 #14

It's especially difficult when we mock attempts by the states to call a Constitutional Convention. Bonobo Feb 2015 #26

I am firmly opposed to a Constitutional Convention. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #48

It's a tough call but... Bonobo Feb 2015 #51

Not a tough call with the number of state legislatures in the hands of theocratic GOP. longship Feb 2015 #79

I think the Constitution needs to be modernized, but there are no set procedures for it Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #113

The Handmaid's Tale and The Hunger Games Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #166

Do you like the Citizens United decision. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #95

one thing we agree on grasswire Feb 2015 #244

I think we would actually agree on a lot. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #246

You can strengthen third parties with approval voting. joshcryer Feb 2015 #126

I remember when Dukakis lost in 1988. Terra Alta Feb 2015 #13

I was 19 actually rbrnmw Feb 2015 #265

the first political memory I have is..... rbrnmw Feb 2015 #19

mine = "kennedy, kennedy is our man! nixon's in the garbage can!" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #262

"because of a challenge from the left in the primaries" - is horseshit. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #21

Agreed. Carter lost because of inflation and the hostage crisis... First Speaker Feb 2015 #23

i think kennedy's challenge had nothing to do with carter's "unpopularity". ND-Dem Feb 2015 #263

+10 appalachiablue Feb 2015 #53

Correct, Reagan/Bush October Surprise had a lot to do with it dreamnightwind Feb 2015 #99

Oh, don't mention historical facts that fairly convincingly challenge the OP's premise. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #240

Anyone who talks about the 1980 race without mentioning "Iran", "hostage crisis", and... JHB Feb 2015 #230

I like to remember the good ones when I was much younger GP6971 Feb 2015 #22

Do you remember the Democratic "base" turning against LBJ? OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #59

Not sure I understand GP6971 Feb 2015 #63

Why is that, do you s'pose? OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #65

I was just commenting on the better times as opposed to our losses.....kind of a positive spin. GP6971 Feb 2015 #71

No, the radical left.... OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #75

Ahhhhhhh......got it! GP6971 Feb 2015 #81

LBJ had signed the Civil Rights Act and had gotten us deeper into the Viet Nam War. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #100

LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. The South has voted against Democrats for the most part since JDPriestly Feb 2015 #102

Arkansas is, indeed, a Southern state Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #133

But I doubt that Hillary will be viewed as having much that is Southern in her background. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #135

It's been more than 20 years since Hillary had any visible connection to the state Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #136

Nixon and Johnson never ran against each other Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #114

Some of us can remember the way Nixon sabotaged the Paris peace talks to win the election Fumesucker Feb 2015 #25

Nixon committed treason rbrnmw Feb 2015 #31

How about Ronnie with the Iran hostage issue? I firmly believe treason doesn't apply GP6971 Feb 2015 #42

listen to this rbrnmw Feb 2015 #43

Thanks GP6971 Feb 2015 #61

1968. The entire year was horrible. blue neen Feb 2015 #27

The 68 election was my political awakening Midnight Writer Feb 2015 #96

That's a really cool story about your mom. blue neen Feb 2015 #178

Left challenges weren't only cause of St Ronnie winning Panich52 Feb 2015 #28

"I ain't wearin' no stinkin' sweater in my house & I ain't drivin' 55." CrispyQ Feb 2015 #199

It took a while, but new solar panels were put up in 2013-14 Bongo Prophet Feb 2015 #245

Thanks for posting. -nt CrispyQ Feb 2015 #248

I remember, "Don't change Dicks in the middle of the Screw. Vote for Nixon in '72." Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #29

I remember Dukakis and Mondale, but your premise is flawed dissentient Feb 2015 #30

Ssssh! This ia an "older and wiser" OP. Bonobo Feb 2015 #38

And he who doesn't learn lessons from history is bound to repeat them. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #40

Do you consider FDR a liberal? Because he won 3 times dissentient Feb 2015 #46

He had a Democratic Congress and a packed Supreme Court. The rules have now been changed pnwmom Feb 2015 #77

you might want to google "packing the court". It didn't happen. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #146

The extremes can never win on a national level. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #67

Personality is also a factor. And Hillary does not have a winning personality. Bill did. Hillary JDPriestly Feb 2015 #104

Mondale and Dukakis were extreme (in what way?) but Reagan and Junior Bush are moderate men of the TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #151

And the Third Way defines "extreme" as anything to the left of LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #195

+1. There seems to be some collection amnesia going around about what winter is coming Feb 2015 #267

Mondale and Dukakis were technocrats, not populists n/t eridani Feb 2015 #82

The Party flushed McGovern down the toilet is the actual story. And the rest weren't ND-Dem Feb 2015 #97

I first heard that stale Third Way talking point ("too liberal") from jiacinto Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #117

yeah. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #147

I remember DUgosh Feb 2015 #32

I don't believe that the Country is Center rbrnmw Feb 2015 #33

The problem might be hackable voting machines... blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #52

possibly but explain 08 and 12 rbrnmw Feb 2015 #57

Who is to say they weren't laundry_queen Feb 2015 #91

Last November Oregon had 70% turnout, Democratic victory, the midterm before that, 2010 we Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #170

as someone laundry_queen Feb 2015 #251

My take is that after 2000 & 2004, TPTB knew the election better look legit, CrispyQ Feb 2015 #201

And turnout is down because the Dems lack that old fighting spirit Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #119

I remember them all. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #35

No Way! ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #188

I'm so old... ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #208

I remember 8yrs out of life and expectations is a long time.... Historic NY Feb 2015 #36

disagree Barrack Obama was not the most centrist candidate jimlup Feb 2015 #45

Ah, great. A hippie punching thread. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #54

. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #58

Ignore the OP rpannier Feb 2015 #68

"Don't blame me, I'm from Massachusetts!" MADem Feb 2015 #55

i'm that old barbtries Feb 2015 #56

These are an over simplification of how politics works. Most of the liberals you mentioned lost craigmatic Feb 2015 #60

Nice analysis rpannier Feb 2015 #70

+1, especially "elections are about timing and issues". n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #93

Marriage equality happened/is happening at the state level and in the courts. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #62

The OP is generally disingenuous Fumesucker Feb 2015 #69

I'm old enough to remember most of those elections rpannier Feb 2015 #64

How many DUers are old enough to have experienced our bad losses? aftab267 Feb 2015 #66

Welcome to DU,aftab267! n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #78

If things were not so hideous for so many I would agree Tsiyu Feb 2015 #72

Great contribution to the discussion. Thanks. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #76

Thank you. nt Tsiyu Feb 2015 #140

I remember 68 and 72 but was not politically aware Skittles Feb 2015 #74

That is one really fucked-up view of history starroute Feb 2015 #83

Yup it was Law & Order......... Historic NY Feb 2015 #174

Bobby would have easily beat Nixon. That's when everything changed.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #85

Once more I must say, I doubt Bobby would have been nominated rurallib Feb 2015 #165

"if he had shown superior vote getting power in the primaries." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #211

what common tack do you see in those losses? liberal left-wingdom? carter? dukakis? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #87

Excellent post! n/t dreamnightwind Feb 2015 #110

I remembered the general lack of party support, but Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #118

every one of these is a lie MisterP Feb 2015 #88

I remember way back to Truman's victory -- unexpected but a victory. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #89

Anything before Clinton predates me. herding cats Feb 2015 #94

I will never be a centrist. Blue_In_AK Feb 2015 #98

Carter didn't lose because of a "challenge from the left in the primaries" Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #105

Not to mention the October Surprise Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #109

The release of the hostages on Inauguration Day 1981 Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #132

You mean the way that Mondale and Dukakis ran cringeworthy bad campaigns? Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #106

Think you're implying the wrong lessons to be learned from your examples lexington filly Feb 2015 #111

Yeah, look at THE ISSUES Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #116

+whatever. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #149

Obama was pretty much the nail in the coffin for the Blue Dog Democrat. alp227 Feb 2015 #115

Loved saying bye-bye to my district's Blue Dog :-) lexington filly Feb 2015 #120

Ah, yes, celebrating defeat. The opposite of the 50 state strategy. joshcryer Feb 2015 #128

Hillary fans have nothing but dishonest sales pitches about why we should move to the right. /nt Marr Feb 2015 #124

+ 1 trillion LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #197

yes. Started voting in '61 oldandhappy Feb 2015 #127

Sure, we can go ahead and forget the assassination of RFK, Nixon's Vietnam talk sabotage, villager Feb 2015 #129

I remember when Nixon won. I was a kid. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2015 #130

In your guts you know he's nuts.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #150

I mostly agree with some minor quibbles Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2015 #131

When you look back the only election we lost that we should have won is 00. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #164

Correct Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2015 #176

Huh? The Gary Hart/Donna Rice thing happened in 1987. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #169

Age does bad things to the brain Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2015 #175

Good luck with your purge RandiFan1290 Feb 2015 #137

Where did I say anything about a "purge"? MohRokTah Feb 2015 #142

I was there for all of them. I will vote for the Democratic candidate. Sancho Feb 2015 #138

I'm 66 charles d Feb 2015 #152

I remember some of them davidpdx Feb 2015 #153

I remember all of those, LWolf Feb 2015 #154

Ah, making sure we've got 'Blame the Left' all ready for 2016. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #157

. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #163

Carter '80 was my first presidential vote mcar Feb 2015 #158

Now, THAT is fucking awesome! The liberal left has been responsible for ALL losses! Well done! djean111 Feb 2015 #159

I don't think the post is saying that.... Historic NY Feb 2015 #177

Nowadays the bashing comes from the Third Way, which has successfully taken over the Democratic djean111 Feb 2015 #179

I think those who are to the left of Thrid Way are making a huge error by constantly monitizing and Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #183

I am saying those rights are/were of negligible value TO THE THIRD WAY. djean111 Feb 2015 #200

+1% (snark) leveymg Feb 2015 #181

More tired left-bashing ....... marmar Feb 2015 #162

You give me marriage equality? Please stop that bullshit. Marriage equality is a result of hard Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #167

+1-- the very last. And they did it when it became politically advantageous. Marr Feb 2015 #217

So, MohRokTah - on which issues specifically do you suggest we "find common ground" bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #168

I remember them all. MineralMan Feb 2015 #173

I knew a lot of dems who voted for Reagan in '80 & CrispyQ Feb 2015 #185

Do you think Muskie would have been able to beat Nixon? I've asked this question before, but never Chathamization Feb 2015 #186

The McGovern campaign was the first one I worked on... Cooley Hurd Feb 2015 #189

"'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." - Alfred Lord Tennyson Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #190

My earliest political memory is anti-war protests against Vietnam. closeupready Feb 2015 #194

Typical of today's DU, an OP bashing "the left" and full of distortions gets over 50 recs... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #198

At least they were pretty quiet about it. Because the OP was thoroughly debunked in many posts. ieoeja Feb 2015 #239

Hell yes I see a pattern. 99Forever Feb 2015 #205

The only people who can rightfully be called "DINO" MohRokTah Feb 2015 #207

you can keep telling that to the empty bleacher seats. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #212

And some people have a MUCH LOWER... 99Forever Feb 2015 #215

ANYBODY who calls Hillary Clinton a "DINO" is extremist. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #218

That's your opinion. 99Forever Feb 2015 #219

"That was a landslide that made me afraid to ever admit I was a Democrat in my local school." KamaAina Feb 2015 #213

GIVE ME MY PONY DAMMIT!!! /sarcasm <--- cause this is needed around here uponit7771 Feb 2015 #220

P.S. We did win with Gore in 2000. KamaAina Feb 2015 #223

Nader kept it close enough in Florida for the outcome we had. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #224

I don't remember all of them firsthand tabbycat31 Feb 2015 #225

I've been involved in every Presidential campaign since... DonViejo Feb 2015 #227

I would say that Barack Obama is certainly the most liberal president since 1960. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #228

Humphrey would have been had he been elected but, DonViejo Feb 2015 #229

I can think of three others who would have been had they been elected. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #231

Oh, please... Hissyspit Feb 2015 #232

. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #234

There is plenty of explanation why by other posters in this thread. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #235

And you call my post bullshit? MohRokTah Feb 2015 #236

OH NO!!!!!! Hissyspit Feb 2015 #237

Thanks. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #238

I'm Old Enough oldlib2 Feb 2015 #243

So, what do you suggest we do when our wins are losses too? TBF Feb 2015 #247

I remember them all, but I have a confession . . . Vinca Feb 2015 #249

It's easy for people to fall into that. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #250

I remember them all. SummerSnow Feb 2015 #252

Don't you DINOs have any shame at all about lying? Doctor_J Feb 2015 #253

Ad hominems and epithets. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #254

You haven't bothered to reply to my post - TBF Feb 2015 #255

There are hundreds of posts in this thread MohRokTah Feb 2015 #256

Of course not - TBF Feb 2015 #266

"pretend their decimation of the party over the last 2 decades never happened" = indeed. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #259

Yup, I remember it all. n/t. whathehell Feb 2015 #258

Moi, aussi. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #261

My first vote was 88 rbrnmw Feb 2015 #264

The way I remember it fadedrose Feb 2015 #269

yes, and I'm old enough to remember when there were liberal Republicans Douglas Carpenter Feb 2015 #270