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SunSeeker

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Sat Feb 14, 2015, 03:18 AM

Feb 2015

If anything, religion gets in the way of treating others fairly...especially if they don't happen to believe the same religion.

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New research: Raising children without religion may be a better alternative. [View all] 1monster Feb 2015 OP

Sure is. elleng Feb 2015 #1

I was raised in the Catholic Church. I went to 13 years of Catholic school. sundevil2000 Feb 2015 #71

My husband was raised in the Catholic Church, elleng Feb 2015 #73

I'm sorry he had a bad experience. sundevil2000 Feb 2015 #162

Agree. ananda Feb 2015 #124

Easier for an adult to do that than for a child. nt truebluegreen Feb 2015 #157

The golden rule comes from religion to start out with ... kwassa Feb 2015 #2

Which religion does the golden rule come from? Kalidurga Feb 2015 #4

The principle exists in virtually every religion. hifiguy Feb 2015 #5

Which makes it a human universal, which makes it inherent morality without religion bhikkhu Feb 2015 #22

It's inherence in humans across the world hifiguy Feb 2015 #42

You may have seen this before, but anyway.... xocet Feb 2015 #93

Those monkeys are clearly a lot more clued in hifiguy Feb 2015 #96

This is true. ladyVet Feb 2015 #147

You can't really say that Buddhism is a god-free ethical system Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #43

Christianity, and about 20 other faiths. kwassa Feb 2015 #7

Do you know what religion the Neanderthals were Kalidurga Feb 2015 #8

I think they were Scientologists. kwassa Feb 2015 #9

Neanderthal scientologists. hifiguy Feb 2015 #10

Some say Scientologists still are Neanderthal. kwassa Feb 2015 #20

Scientology wheniwasincongress Feb 2015 #127

Sure I can. I can criticize whatever I want. kwassa Feb 2015 #129

it's extremely hypocritical wheniwasincongress Feb 2015 #134

In your opinion. Thank you. kwassa Feb 2015 #136

Yeah the Golden Rule is innate Kalidurga Feb 2015 #11

Religion is innate, too. kwassa Feb 2015 #13

Spirituality perhaps Kalidurga Feb 2015 #17

People organized in religious communities where they were. kwassa Feb 2015 #18

I completely disagree. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #44

The Abrahamic religions seem to have been made up as a means of societal control. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #56

Joseph Campbell said that the monothesitic religions were the first to see God as ... kwassa Feb 2015 #65

Well, at least with the pantheon, you'd have "nice" gods and mean gods. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #85

This! smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #145

that's exactly where they get lost- expecting divine intervention in their personal lives. bettyellen Feb 2015 #88

nope. 2/3 of local congregations (aka "donor families") never show up, but financially support the bettyellen Feb 2015 #84

religion is innate NOT maggies farm Feb 2015 #69

the Golden Rule is innate PADemD Feb 2015 #35

Yes it still is, but wires get crossed in horrible ways sometimes Kalidurga Feb 2015 #36

It's not inmate to sociopaths or narcissists either. deafskeptic Feb 2015 #61

They may have worshipped the SUN. ReRe Feb 2015 #40

Kalidurga Diclotican Feb 2015 #123

Thank you for that. Kalidurga Feb 2015 #130

Kalidurga Diclotican Feb 2015 #132

And plenty of non-primates have been shown to have compassion, empathy erronis Feb 2015 #131

erronis Diclotican Feb 2015 #133

I believe that this empathy has been shown in very "low" life forms erronis Feb 2015 #141

erronis Diclotican Feb 2015 #144

It's a societal rule, not a religious one though religions have adopted it. Kablooie Feb 2015 #32

The Japanese were Buddhist and Shinto kwassa Feb 2015 #125

I think it's the other way around. Hosnon Feb 2015 #77

You are absolutely right about the prison data. cbayer Feb 2015 #99

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr Frank Zappa: hifiguy Feb 2015 #3

What did Moon and Dweezil think of that? rug Feb 2015 #29

Dweezil seems to have enjoyed having Frank for a father... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #67

Kids who don't have their heads stuffed full of bullshit have better bullshit filters? LeftyMom Feb 2015 #6

Succinctly put. truebluegreen Feb 2015 #158

Case in point... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #12

A lot of rehab programs are 12 step or otherwise push god bothering nonsense. LeftyMom Feb 2015 #15

Correct... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #21

It is not about God, it is about a higher power. kwassa Feb 2015 #23

I will show you the flaw in your logic Ramses Feb 2015 #27

the larger concept behind this is ... kwassa Feb 2015 #38

Uhhh an "undefinable larger positive power" than what we know F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #47

"...it would be intensely unpleasant ..." Iggo Feb 2015 #153

Actually, it is that bad. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #155

See my edit/add. Iggo Feb 2015 #156

Awesome, thanks. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #160

12 step programs aren't "spiritual," they're religious. LeftyMom Feb 2015 #46

No, the 12 steps are an excellent model of an individual spiritual path. kwassa Feb 2015 #62

LSD could help alcoholics stop drinking, AA founder believed maggies farm Feb 2015 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2015 #24

yea, it is genetic Ramses Feb 2015 #26

Yes Ramses... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #37

That's my religion too ;-) n/t ReRe Feb 2015 #45

The power of one... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #49

"The power of one"... ReRe Feb 2015 #51

Like minds and all. (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2015 #54

Ha ha. Good point. I'll never forget a relative of mine Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #75

There is a strong social element to addiction kristopher Feb 2015 #81

many of us already figured that out. nt. drray23 Feb 2015 #14

It may. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #16

I teach my kid that the Golden Rule is the key to our survival. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #19

He who has the Gold rules?? NoMoreRepugs Feb 2015 #34

That's the Koch Rule. nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #41

no one needs religion to treat each other fairly Skittles Feb 2015 #59

That's for sure. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #60

REC Ramses Feb 2015 #25

Water is wet. AngryDem001 Feb 2015 #28

Replace "religion" with "child abuse" Augustus Feb 2015 #30

To be clear you feel that parents who take their children to sunday school el_bryanto Feb 2015 #111

"Raising children without religion may be a better alternative." mackerel Feb 2015 #31

If you can believe in a magic man in the sky, you can believe any horseshit. And that's valerief Feb 2015 #33

Would you say ALL life on Earth is nothing more than a cosmic anomaly? A coincidence? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #58

I have a different take on life... More and more, I believe Everything is sentient... 1monster Feb 2015 #68

we are close in our world view. And whenever I take quizzes it labels me pantheist but KittyWampus Feb 2015 #97

How would I know? Only a fool answers unanswerable questions. But I do think valerief Feb 2015 #161

Empathy isn't religious. flvegan Feb 2015 #39

To clarify; who are you calling weak-minded? nt el_bryanto Feb 2015 #112

That's a funny response! flvegan Feb 2015 #146

You didn't answer the question though. I don't want to make any assumptions. nt el_bryanto Feb 2015 #159

On thing about the statistics I found interesting. While it says that atheists are hughee99 Feb 2015 #48

This is true and another reason why the prison statistics are worthless. cbayer Feb 2015 #101

The North Carolina killer was a committed, vocal atheist. frazzled Feb 2015 #50

Not all Right Wingers are Jesus Freaks.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #53

He wasn't a right-winger either. frazzled Feb 2015 #66

He wasn't an atheist.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #76

He is a progressive atheist LittleBlue Feb 2015 #80

Wrong. I'm further. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #86

He was an extremist atheist frazzled Feb 2015 #120

Your background sounds so much like my own. cbayer Feb 2015 #126

Yes, we are very much in sync frazzled Feb 2015 #148

I think you are absolutely right about cbayer Feb 2015 #149

Ahhh, someone does not like this post. nt Logical Feb 2015 #64

You might want to brush up on.. kristopher Feb 2015 #82

You might want to post this in response to all the anectodal posts frazzled Feb 2015 #119

Not surprised to hear religious types have a hard time with reality.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #52

Yep, that's right. Only religious people become psychotic. cbayer Feb 2015 #103

People can be delusional and not psychotic you know. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #108

You are talking about people that see and hear things that aren't there. cbayer Feb 2015 #110

"Your post appears to be nothing more than a cheap shot at religious people." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #113

No, but I would love one based on facts and not on some false beliefs cbayer Feb 2015 #114

How is my observation a "false belief"? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #117

"Not surprised to hear religious types have a hard time with reality" cbayer Feb 2015 #118

You deserve a heart for posting.... bobGandolf Feb 2015 #55

We've raised our kids in a god-free home and so far they haven't committed any murders Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #57

Raising children not to believe in... 99Forever Feb 2015 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #70

People should raise their kids HappyMe Feb 2015 #72

I am an atheist, but I don't think that the golden rule is the single basic moral principle. Vattel Feb 2015 #78

the golden rule does not require reciprocity, nor would anyone "want" their needs ignored in bettyellen Feb 2015 #87

I guess I misinterpreted what "empathetic reciprocity" means. Vattel Feb 2015 #89

the empathetic part is about others wishes, so it recognizes that not everyone wants the same things bettyellen Feb 2015 #91

Yeah, I get the general idea. But it doesn't provide much guidance Vattel Feb 2015 #128

LOL, I think it does. It encourages empathy and fairness. So when there is a conflict of interests bettyellen Feb 2015 #135

LOL, it encourages acting morally and so the circle is complete. Vattel Feb 2015 #138

I do think encouraging empathy is a good basic guideline. bettyellen Feb 2015 #139

I agree. The golden rule is useful as a rule of thumb. Vattel Feb 2015 #143

Thank you for saying this salib Feb 2015 #100

This just proves that atheists don't understand statistics Fred Friendlier Feb 2015 #79

Most recent polling: Atheists = 13% of US population. nt kristopher Feb 2015 #83

Where in the did you get that piece of data? cbayer Feb 2015 #106

+1 cbayer Feb 2015 #104

Every Nichiren Buddhist I know strives to show the benefit of Buddhist practice - the child chooses DesertDiamond Feb 2015 #90

Don't be ridiculous FiveGoodMen Feb 2015 #92

this is so stupid I can't even believe it. Children SHOULD be able to use their imaginations KittyWampus Feb 2015 #94

Religion isn't presented as an exercise in imagination, it's presented as a fact in Sunday School Fumesucker Feb 2015 #98

Not in my Sunday School classes back when I taught. And the article makes it clear KittyWampus Feb 2015 #102

I talk about religion quite a bit with people I know Fumesucker Feb 2015 #115

Agree. The study itself in no way stated that being less imaginative cbayer Feb 2015 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author 1monster Feb 2015 #121

Except the studies don't conclude that and the author is bending the truth. cbayer Feb 2015 #95

this thread belongs in the religion forum where atheist/theist DU'ers can continue their squabbling KittyWampus Feb 2015 #105

This study was already discussed in religion back when it was first released. cbayer Feb 2015 #109

Feel free to move it over there if you wish. I found an interesting article and passed it on 1monster Feb 2015 #122

Good. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #116

Sure appears like a "study" with a predetermined Gman Feb 2015 #137

We raised ours secular Android3.14 Feb 2015 #140

K&R. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #142

So far, have read only the OP title fadedrose Feb 2015 #150

Thank you for posting this Faux pas Feb 2015 #151

Or not raising children at all. Trillo Feb 2015 #152

So why are religious schools allowed for the compulsory requirement? Trillo Feb 2015 #154