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riderinthestorm

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40. Isn't Ramadan Egyptian? In other words he isn't French

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 08:01 PM

Jan 2015

so he doesn't understand the context either.

The rush to pretend Charlie Hebdo was doing something monstrous is a problem Imho when someone who isn't French tries to process these images without context.

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Charlie Hebdo Is Heroic and Racist [View all] xchrom Jan 2015 OP

I disagree about the 'courageous' or 'heroic' part. randome Jan 2015 #1

I think the fact that they continued publishing after an earlier firebomb attack in 2011 Denzil_DC Jan 2015 #2

PROTESTERS around the West chanted “Je suis Charlie” — I am Charlie. They lie. Michael James Cobb Jan 2015 #3

"the way the Left routinely mocks Christianity" fishwax Jan 2015 #50

"the way the Left routinely mocks Christianity" - WTF? Did you just join the wrong website? djean111 Jan 2015 #76

Making fun of Islam is not racist. Coventina Jan 2015 #4

Depicting a black French politician as a monkey sure is. LeftyMom Jan 2015 #5

So what? Michael James Cobb Jan 2015 #6

They have a right to be disgusting and bigoted. I have a right to say they're bigots. LeftyMom Jan 2015 #8

And just like anyone of any other religion, christx30 Jan 2015 #53

I'd like to see those. Hadn't seen nor heard of them. Coventina Jan 2015 #9

Here the one about the kidnapped Nigerian women jamzrockz Jan 2015 #12

Thanks for the links. After looking at it for myself I don't find it racist at all. In fact, they Coventina Jan 2015 #13

That makes sense now. The pregnant girl thing. Thanks. bravenak Jan 2015 #26

someone on facebook said Charlie is like Stephen Colbert m-lekktor Jan 2015 #51

Are you French? If not, chances are you won't get it. riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #52

You don't find those 'welfare queen drawings' racist? brush Jan 2015 #59

No, I don't. Besides which, the whole point of the cartoon is to lambaste those who buy into the Coventina Jan 2015 #70

That kind of ugly, snaggle-toothed depiction is racist brush Jan 2015 #74

OK, for the sake of argument, let's say the caricatures are racist. Coventina Jan 2015 #75

I just feel "Charlie Hebdo" could do what they do without the racist images . . . brush Jan 2015 #77

It's fine to say it's not your cup of tea. Satire is often ugly, because it exposes ugliness. Coventina Jan 2015 #79

Maybe their philosophy isn't, but some of those images . . . brush Jan 2015 #80

Out of context Nevernose Jan 2015 #16

These links are excellent for a better understanding the context of the cartoons nt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #38

Bush is regularly depicted as a monkey (and nicknamed "chimp") on DU and elsewhere oberliner Jan 2015 #17

Depicting black people as unevolved or ape-like has a historical context. LeftyMom Jan 2015 #36

The woman in question is a huge supporter of the magazine oberliner Jan 2015 #37

You're missing the context. The French would get these and they aren't bigoted or racist riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #21

Thank you! Coventina Jan 2015 #22

Its discouraging how many DUers are failing to see the context riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #23

I've done my bit. Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #30

The French have a huge racial problem themselves . . . brush Jan 2015 #78

Also the idea jamzrockz Jan 2015 #7

What is offensive is a movable feast. Michael James Cobb Jan 2015 #10

True but I think jamzrockz Jan 2015 #11

From my point of view, religious people who spout anti gay bullshit are offensive and they seem to Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #20

You are right. Why do the religious get a smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #33

+1000. closeupready Jan 2015 #25

Insulting a religion or a religious figure is not racist, and some on DU have also claimed Charlie Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #14

thank you. i am so fucking SICK of people implying religion is above critcism and to criticize m-lekktor Jan 2015 #49

Not racist, definitely heroic oberliner Jan 2015 #15

Obscene? Derogatory? Maybe...not racist brooklynite Jan 2015 #18

The vast majority of Muslims in France are North African or trace their KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #31

k&r for this line "We should be able to keep both of these realities in our minds at once, but it... uppityperson Jan 2015 #19

Indeed! arcane1 Jan 2015 #27

Let's consider the premise that France has the right to preserve the values of the French Revolution Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #24

Thanks for this. But I hope you have your Kevlar undies on. Coventina Jan 2015 #28

Thanks for your appreciation and the Kevlar full body armor is in place! Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #29

The vast, vast majority of French citizens support those laws, including Muslims riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #34

Exactly. Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #35

Thank you. 840high Jan 2015 #66

You're very welcome Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #68

They aren't racist. DemocraticWing Jan 2015 #32

"Islam" and "Muslim" are not races. "Arab" is not a race, either--it is an ethnicity. MADem Jan 2015 #63

Definitely not heroic CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #39

Isn't Ramadan Egyptian? In other words he isn't French riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #40

He's actually Swiss, of Egyptian origin. So effing what?? CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #41

These cartoons have a French context that we do not understand riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #43

So "we" don't understand, but YOU do? CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #46

I'm Irish living on IL. Yes. I do get most of them riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #47

So you're not French then CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #54

Nope. Which means I know "out of context" implicitly riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #56

No cwydro Jan 2015 #42

Blasphemy vs Bigotry WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2015 #44

Here's the Dr.Mahmood Mamdani quote MHP aired on her show. AllenVanAllen Jan 2015 #57

:) Thanks! I thought it was very significant. Glad you found it. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2015 #58

you're welcome AllenVanAllen Jan 2015 #67

Sorry. But FGM and child marriage and child exploitation are not immune from critIcism riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #60

So ridiculous oberliner Jan 2015 #62

Uhm, are we on the same side?! Read my post again? Nt riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #64

So DUers attacking the ideology of Republicanism would be bigotry? oberliner Jan 2015 #61

So basically you have to convert to Islam in order to have standing to criticize the religion? Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #69

As I stated upthread: crock of bull. Coventina Jan 2015 #72

I love MHP, but that attitude is a crock of bull. Coventina Jan 2015 #71

K & R Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #45

I believe in free speech... pokerfan Jan 2015 #48

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #55

It is possible to be both Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #65

CHARLIE HEBDO is an equal-opportunity offender... Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #73