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Dorian Gray

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68. I didn't say anything about Obamacare

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 09:32 PM

Nov 2014

I think it's criminal that insurance companies don't pay claims. Period.

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My Insurance Company Killed Me, Despite Obamacare - DailyBeast [View all] WillyT Nov 2014 OP

Very sad Faux pas Nov 2014 #1

It wasn't the ACA that killed him. At his age AND with that condition, he was dying anyway. pnwmom Nov 2014 #2

Often people in hospice live a bit longer SheilaT Nov 2014 #6

His doctors recommended these tests and treatments BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #7

Doctors are loathe to give up no matter what, pnwmom Nov 2014 #12

I agree Mz Pip Nov 2014 #31

Oh for Pete's sake - his age was incidental as they deny deny deny whatever truedelphi Nov 2014 #54

His age combined with his diagnosis of stage 4 cancer is anything but incidental. pnwmom Nov 2014 #61

if hes 85 Isnt he on medicare anyway? elehhhhna Nov 2014 #55

Nope. jeff47 Nov 2014 #57

He should -- but he must have opted for the private version, "Medicare Advantage" pnwmom Nov 2014 #62

Medicare is not remotely single payer. former9thward Nov 2014 #86

Your definition isn't remotely the definition of "single-payer." pnwmom Nov 2014 #87

No what we have now is people on Medicare making payments former9thward Nov 2014 #88

You still don't understand because you're confusing PAYER with PAYEE. pnwmom Nov 2014 #89

The problem is that people on Medicare former9thward Nov 2014 #91

Well, single-payer won't solve that problem. pnwmom Nov 2014 #92

It's mind boggling Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #16

It's mind boggling to me that you think it's okay to blame Obamacare, pnwmom Nov 2014 #35

Obamacare isn't Medicare BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #59

His private "Medicare Advantage" plan is NOT governed by the ACA. pnwmom Nov 2014 #63

I didn't say anything about Obamacare Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #68

It's her job LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #83

+1 eggplant Nov 2014 #18

Here's a weird thought -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #20

He was an 85 yr. old on Medicare so this has nothing at all to do with Obamacare. pnwmom Nov 2014 #32

What's his age got to do with anything? Either he has paid ito the coverage pool or he Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #36

His age means he was eligible for Medicare. Standard Medicare pays the bills, pnwmom Nov 2014 #37

Wow... So Just Let 'Em Die ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #64

Hospice provides palliative care, which I strongly prefer to pnwmom Nov 2014 #65

It's Still The DOCTOR'S Call !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #67

Medicare does not necessarily mean single payer. Ms. Toad Nov 2014 #74

Medicare Advantage isn't really Medicare. As you say, it's the private insurance pnwmom Nov 2014 #78

My point is that just because he is 85 doesn't mean he is on single payer. Ms. Toad Nov 2014 #79

But this has nothing to do with Obamacare, as he implies. pnwmom Nov 2014 #81

This is what I was responding to: Ms. Toad Nov 2014 #85

I'll remember to always demand a new car from my car insurance company after any fender bender... Silent3 Nov 2014 #47

Sounds death-panelly Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #51

There isn't a single medical system in the world that isn't a bit "death panelly" Silent3 Nov 2014 #73

Appealing to the error of others is not justification for committing new errors. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #93

Where did I say anything about "the error of others"? Silent3 Dec 2014 #94

The scarcity, as far as the OP is concerned, is artificial and bureaucratic. nt Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #96

There isn't an unlimited amount of funds available for healthcare in any system. n/t pnwmom Dec 2014 #98

Maybe some scarcity, not anywhere near all of it. Silent3 Dec 2014 #99

Science should be used to determine which people have the greatest likelihood pnwmom Dec 2014 #97

Eugenics sucks. nt Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #101

You might want to look up what eugenics is before you post incorrectly about it. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #103

This has nothing to do with eugenics. Hint: pnwmom Dec 2014 #105

Doctors often call for tests, not because they will extend your life or rhett o rick Nov 2014 #72

Think how much money could be saved if they stated at age 50. JEB Nov 2014 #76

He said "despite Obamacare", not *because* of it. moriah Dec 2014 #95

The 99% are a natural resource to be exploited; mined, processed, packaged, sold and consumed Fumesucker Nov 2014 #3

And so the dance on this thread begins BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #4

The ACA's best achievement is that it made sure that more uninsured people Maedhros Nov 2014 #14

The Medicaid expansion was the best part BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #29

The real test will be whether the ACA reduces medical bankruptcies. Maedhros Nov 2014 #38

He was 86. Medicare should have paid for everything. jeff47 Nov 2014 #22

True, Medicare would have been better BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #24

Yes, it would. But sometimes you gotta climb a hill before you climb a mountain. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2014 #25

Ok BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #27

Then you don't shut up. You yell at the right people. jeff47 Nov 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #102

Reading. Try it. jeff47 Dec 2014 #104

Did he have one of those policies that "they liked and wanted to keep"? In other words did his jwirr Nov 2014 #5

You do know that the ACA is not an insurance company right? BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #8

Of course but they set up a market with policies that fit their criteria. When this first started jwirr Nov 2014 #10

I wondered that, too. Obamacare doesn't cover every policy. n/t pnwmom Nov 2014 #13

He was 85 years old. He should have been on Medicare. ACA is for those under 65 years old. Fla Dem Nov 2014 #15

I also wondered about the Medicare ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #17

Part of a pension? jwirr Nov 2014 #50

If he were self employeed and didn't pay into Medicare, going through an ACA csziggy Dec 2014 #100

It sounds like he had a Medicare Advantage plan. jeff47 Nov 2014 #21

That is really sad but it's insurance not healthcare. dilby Nov 2014 #9

LOL good plan. jwirr Nov 2014 #11

Yep, a bottle of hydrocodone a bottle of valium, and a liter of the good Crown. LiberalArkie Nov 2014 #23

Don't be daft. Take it from me: A hospice setting eases one out, if you know what I mean. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #82

Single, no family, no kids. Just a dog and cats. LiberalArkie Nov 2014 #84

Me too. bravenak Nov 2014 #28

He was 86. "Obamacare" isn't the issue. jeff47 Nov 2014 #19

BINGO! I knew there B Calm Nov 2014 #26

And "Medicare Advantage" was put into place well before the ACA, and subsequent pnwmom Nov 2014 #33

No, you don't understand Medicare -- it doesn't pay 100 percent nichomachus Nov 2014 #40

You're talking about Medicare Part B. jeff47 Nov 2014 #41

Not quite nichomachus Nov 2014 #43

It's nice you finally googled the program, and found that your $20,000 bill is now $1200. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2014 #44

Thanks for the unwarranted snark nichomachus Nov 2014 #46

The snark is because of your large errors. jeff47 Nov 2014 #56

This 85 yr. old CHOSE a private plan instead of single-payer Medicare. He made the wrong choice, pnwmom Nov 2014 #34

I don't know what you mean by this. nichomachus Nov 2014 #39

Exactly. DURHAM D Nov 2014 #42

"Regular Medicare" does not pay all your medical costs. nichomachus Nov 2014 #45

Where did I state that regular medicare pays all medical costs? DURHAM D Nov 2014 #49

30% of Medicare beneficiaries have made the Medicare Advantage choice, mostly to save money. Plus, Hoyt Nov 2014 #48

Except Medicare wouldn't block a doctor's order. jeff47 Nov 2014 #60

If they go too high, you move to a more competitive plan or traditional Medicare with Hoyt Nov 2014 #66

When I had cancer, (ha ha , good title) hollysmom Nov 2014 #52

Yet another reason why we need universal healthcare, not 'insurance'. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #53

Yep... The 'Death Panels' Are The Insurance Companies... WillyT Nov 2014 #58

Beat me to it.. SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #69

:) WillyT Nov 2014 #70

I never heard of Malcolm MacDougall so I Googled him - LiberalElite Nov 2014 #71

In 2001 I had a goround with NYLCare. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #75

It's not unusual for private health insurance companies to kill people for profit. Zorra Nov 2014 #77

As several others have pointed out, Ms. Toad Nov 2014 #80

The nurse should be prosecuted for practicing medicine without an M.D. closeupready Nov 2014 #90