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LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
214. And the way to accomplish that is to make it legal,
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:18 AM
Nov 2014

so that the workers have workplace protections, higher wages and basic human rights. I suspect you already know that though.

And also elected officials......nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2014 #1
There is something off-putting by being lectured to by a 19 year old. AngryAmish Nov 2014 #2
It's just another law where the state tells you what you can do with your own body scarystuffyo Nov 2014 #3
The Nevada model for legalization works well bluestateguy Nov 2014 #4
Washoe and Clark counties definitely are against legalizing PumpkinAle Nov 2014 #72
She speaks the truth LittleBlue Nov 2014 #5
Absolutely, 100% correct Niko Nov 2014 #6
That's just it, there is no simple, easy solution. Every single one has its flaws and drawbacks. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #7
You just gave the simple, easy solution Niko Nov 2014 #9
Legalization has its downsides too. See the Netherlands and Germany for examples. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #10
I say keep it illegal yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #32
Morals should be something you personally have. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #44
I should not have this in my community. yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #47
But those problems you're talking about aren't 'moral' problems. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #65
Legal prostitution is much better for the women PumpkinAle Nov 2014 #76
Agreed. Studies show most prostitutes were sexually abused as kids, whathehell Nov 2014 #229
So paying for sex is immoral? Based on what objective stanadard exactly? phil89 Nov 2014 #56
Religious nonsense Niko Nov 2014 #70
Do you mean Hawkins? yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #8
You mean the panic that someone, somewhere might be having fun? NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #12
I resemble that remark. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #13
I don't think it's wise to think of it as fun treestar Nov 2014 #200
How about thinking of it as a job? NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #245
It's not a job treestar Nov 2014 #250
I agree that we should legalize drugs. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #254
well, that and concern for the countless women victimized by an industry founded geek tragedy Nov 2014 #25
From someone with actual experience in the industry: NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #86
Because college sophomores at elite schools speak geek tragedy Nov 2014 #112
Throw the pimps in jail. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #116
Throw the johns in jail and we're talking. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #122
See, that's the part we are never going to agree on. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #243
LOL! I'm not a college sophomore at an elite school. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #157
I know your views. I disagree with them. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #158
OK then LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #162
.... Behind the Aegis Nov 2014 #183
... LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #215
... Aerows Nov 2014 #247
Respect doesn't mean agreement, as you noted. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #188
And the way to accomplish that is to make it legal, LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #214
No, even where legalized the essential geek tragedy Nov 2014 #216
New Zealand doesn't have that problem LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #231
Just out of curiosity... LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #259
Better question is if sex is legally just a job geek tragedy Nov 2014 #260
I thought you might bring that up... LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #262
Asdf geek tragedy Nov 2014 #263
so they all have the same views? treestar Nov 2014 #202
well... LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #213
As if that's not different from any other kind of "work." treestar Nov 2014 #223
It's work LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #233
You're ARGUING FOR legalization Niko Nov 2014 #167
I believe Rachel Lloyd knows that she is arguing against legalization. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #168
they kind of would say that treestar Nov 2014 #201
Oh, right...She'd definitely know from her ivory tower in Durham... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #237
Ya, we all know that only men who are deeply sexist want legal prostitution. Threedifferentones Nov 2014 #225
Rehabilitating the public image of pimps and traffickers geek tragedy Nov 2014 #234
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #242
Agreed on all counts. hifiguy Nov 2014 #239
Decriminalize it ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #14
Why throw the johns in jail? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #15
Nordic model ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #17
That's not really an answer. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #18
They're having sex. Niko Nov 2014 #22
Prostitution as we know it in part, comes from the bible ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #26
Straw man treestar Nov 2014 #203
Because it's a broken system. ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #23
Same reason we don't let people get waterboarded or tortured for money or geek tragedy Nov 2014 #24
That's ridiculous. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #27
hey, if they consent to waterboarding, who are you to object? geek tragedy Nov 2014 #28
It's ridiculous that torture is where your mind goes when you hear about people having sex. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #31
Sex is great. Prostitution is an abomination. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #37
Paternalistic nonsense. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #43
what insight do you have into the minds of johns? geek tragedy Nov 2014 #45
She has a hell of a lot more insight than you do. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #48
yes, the star of "Facial Abuse" has great insight into how prostitution and pornography geek tragedy Nov 2014 #50
Way to infantilize a woman! LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #51
she was sexually assaulted in her first porn film geek tragedy Nov 2014 #55
Why did you forget to bold this line... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #66
I suspect it was intentionally ignored... NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #77
She's a major in gender studies davidn3600 Nov 2014 #58
I'm not going to say she's not a feminist. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #60
Did you not read the article? Niko Nov 2014 #67
She is not in prostitution nor does she have any basis for speaking on geek tragedy Nov 2014 #159
Ah yes, trot out the libertarian card when no valid argument exists LittleBlue Nov 2014 #63
Not possible to have a reasonable discussion with you Niko Nov 2014 #69
"Toss the tricks in jail." NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #16
Tell you what ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #20
Tell you what... NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #33
Well well ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #36
You mean that some people choose to do it and I don't? NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #38
No ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #95
"Have a good rest of the day." NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #96
Yeah, funny how that works n/t kcr Nov 2014 #73
Well, in a consensual environment, that's their choice. Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #53
Exploitation and degradation is not consenting adults having fun. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #21
Who are you to tell people they are being exploited and degraded? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #29
So why not allow people to be waterboarded or tortured for the amusement of others? geek tragedy Nov 2014 #30
Is there some kind of book of strawmen and false equlvilances somewhere... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #41
so now you do believe that paying people to be waterboarded should be legal? geek tragedy Nov 2014 #42
Horseshit. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #46
where prostitution is legalized and regulated, sex trafficking and off-the-books geek tragedy Nov 2014 #49
You seem to think that women are the only people that work as prostitutes. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #59
Murder, and child abuse, and arson, and cancer are always going to exist too. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #61
Murder, child abuse, arson, and cancer are inherently harmful. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #68
For money. It's the money that is the problem. kcr Nov 2014 #78
How is sex any different than any other form of physical labor? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #82
Ignoring how absurd and reductive your argument is kcr Nov 2014 #85
So you've got nothing then? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #94
Prohibition is a form of regulation n/t kcr Nov 2014 #99
Yeah, one that only compounds and intensifies the problems. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #101
According to the pro legalize it crowd n/t kcr Nov 2014 #103
What protections do prostitutes have now? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #105
It's clear you haven't put much thought into it, either kcr Nov 2014 #106
Horseshit. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #155
I don't know, is sex for money immoral? I havne't mentioned morality. kcr Nov 2014 #160
No, you didn't say it was immoral. You just compared it to torture and selling children. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #166
Only in that they're forms of exploitation. Rolly polly eyes. kcr Nov 2014 #169
Is exploitation immoral? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #170
Hahahahaha kcr Nov 2014 #171
That's not an answer. Is exploitation immoral? Yes or no? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #172
What is the sound of one hand clapping? n/t kcr Nov 2014 #173
It's a simple question. Either you think exploitation is immoral or you don't. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #174
I'm not the one dodging. I've made it perfectly clear how I feel on the topic n/t kcr Nov 2014 #179
Look, I know you think you're playing gotcha kcr Nov 2014 #177
A wordy dodge is still a dodge. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #180
What am I dodging? kcr Nov 2014 #181
You are refusing to answer if you think exploitation is immoral. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #184
No, I was refusing to answer a question designed as a gotcha kcr Nov 2014 #185
Aaaaaaand there we have it. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #189
Ok. And? kcr Nov 2014 #191
You are entering the converation viewing prostitution as immorality. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #195
Not like a puritan kcr Nov 2014 #219
Show some courage and tell me why you're even asking the question kcr Nov 2014 #187
It's legal where I live, and prostitutes definitely have it much better than in the US... Violet_Crumble Nov 2014 #196
There you go, confusing the issue by including hifiguy Nov 2014 #240
That is not what is really happening treestar Nov 2014 #206
"If it were such fun, they wouldn't need the money... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #211
Why would you have a difference between professional and personal when it was all fun? treestar Nov 2014 #224
Money does complicate everything it touches. That much is undeniable. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #97
Only if you don't care about the women who are bought and sold. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #113
My mother in law made that same argument, except to make abortion illegal joeglow3 Nov 2014 #110
Yes, champion of women's rights that you are. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #115
Just a champion of logic joeglow3 Nov 2014 #117
One need not accuse you of being hostile to women's rights. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #121
Yeaaaaaah. Saying both parents deserve the same rights is gross sexism joeglow3 Nov 2014 #123
You were not arguing for equal rights. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #124
Nope. That was your distortion so you could feel justified. joeglow3 Nov 2014 #164
No that was exactly what you were advocating--having doctors grab the baby out of the mother's arms geek tragedy Nov 2014 #165
That is not pushing your way into a woman's medical procedure joeglow3 Nov 2014 #175
Single mother is sole legal parent and guardian. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #178
I agree. If baby's mommy wants to pull a dick move, pity the child joeglow3 Nov 2014 #182
Yeah, you got no issues with women. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #186
What a sick view you have joeglow3 Nov 2014 #190
You keep on referring to non- existent rights geek tragedy Nov 2014 #192
Keep telling yourself that. It is a dick move plain and simple joeglow3 Nov 2014 #193
Um, maybe women don't want their ex around geek tragedy Nov 2014 #194
We are not talking about the most vulnerable time joeglow3 Nov 2014 #221
Thank you for confirming that geek tragedy Nov 2014 #232
That's not true... Violet_Crumble Nov 2014 #208
Where is 'here' and what is your evidence? nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #217
Australian Capital Territory... Violet_Crumble Nov 2014 #218
Don't get sucked in. joeglow3 Nov 2014 #222
If someone consents to be waterboarded, why is it any of your business? Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #54
how about OSHA? How about good old fashioned corporal punishment geek tragedy Nov 2014 #57
Because people can be coerced into that "choice" kcr Nov 2014 #93
Coercion used in sex is rape. Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #111
Then I'm assuming you're fighting for the right to work for 50 cents an hour. kcr Nov 2014 #118
Why is porn legal but prostitution isn't? Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #126
The answer to your question is freedom of speech and both participants are paid kcr Nov 2014 #134
Its still having sex for money. Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #136
But it isn't a transaction with the person the porn star is having sex with kcr Nov 2014 #138
I just gave you an example of where the man is paying the women for sex in porn. Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #139
If a man was paying the woman directly for sex, it was prostitution n/t kcr Nov 2014 #142
But its perfectly legal. Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #144
A porn business, yes. kcr Nov 2014 #146
So basically, you are telling me you are ok with people selling sex for money as long... Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #149
What I'm telling you is I'm ok with transactions that don't exploit kcr Nov 2014 #150
Really? treestar Nov 2014 #207
Go try it ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #34
I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about this. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #80
It's not so hard to understand why it isn't hard to not take the choosey choicey arguments of kcr Nov 2014 #81
Okay, I'm not even going to pretend to understand your reply. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #84
That might explain some things n/t kcr Nov 2014 #87
A) It's illegal, B) It wouldn't pay well enough. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #252
No Im not gonna try it. Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #130
Did LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #241
Thank you for that reply. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #244
They know they are treestar Nov 2014 #204
The conditions most street prostitutes work in... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #210
I once read an article written by a woman who worked at a legal brothel in Nevada kcr Nov 2014 #220
If you type "pigs" often enough, it adds credibility to your reply. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #35
some truths are self-evident. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #39
I couldn't agree more. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #40
Does that make prostitutes "whores"? Niko Nov 2014 #71
No. The johns are the problem. not the exploited. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #125
Same folks wanted to prosecute women in France who wore burkas LittleBlue Nov 2014 #64
If someone wants to pay for consensual sex, why is it even any of your business? Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #52
Great reply. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #74
If someone wants to pay employees 1 an hour why is it any of your business? kcr Nov 2014 #75
So this is an issue of pay? LittleBlue Nov 2014 #90
Of course they overlap. Yes, it's the pay. kcr Nov 2014 #92
Abortion involves medicine, which is regulated by the government LittleBlue Nov 2014 #127
So let's do away with all regulation? kcr Nov 2014 #128
Let's do away with regulation involving consenting adults LittleBlue Nov 2014 #131
Okay. So, bye bye minimum wage! n/t kcr Nov 2014 #133
Why do you keep saying that? LittleBlue Nov 2014 #135
Because you seem to think that choice ends the discussion kcr Nov 2014 #137
I want everyone reading this to know kcr is lying LittleBlue Nov 2014 #141
I didn't lie. You said that in context of a discussion about regulation involving pay. kcr Nov 2014 #145
I destroyed your misrepresentation with my actual quote LittleBlue Nov 2014 #151
No, you took my quote out of context to make it look like I was misrepresenting you kcr Nov 2014 #152
Bull LittleBlue Nov 2014 #154
But prostitution isn't just what two people do privately kcr Nov 2014 #161
some people think choices are made in a vacuum. just because someone "chooses" something Scout Nov 2014 #255
Except in Germany they found that when they legalized prostitution, trafficking kept right on going mythology Nov 2014 #100
Of course its not going to completely go away. Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #107
Pay for? You are leaving out the person paid. treestar Nov 2014 #209
I wouldn't type meaningless things into a computer for 8 hours a day for free. Shoulders of Giants Nov 2014 #246
Not unsafe on the same level treestar Nov 2014 #249
Not quite Blue_Adept Nov 2014 #251
Anecdotal evidence? Like this? NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #88
Interesting. H2O Man Nov 2014 #19
I couldn't agree more stupidicus Nov 2014 #62
I would like to call particular attention to the second paragraph. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #83
Which is anecdotal bullshit ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #89
Well, there are a few statistics in that article too. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #91
I did read the article. ismnotwasm Nov 2014 #102
Your last sentence should really make them think kcr Nov 2014 #104
"And I could toss that question right back at you." NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #108
Do you realize it isn't just the prostitute who gets the money? kcr Nov 2014 #114
As I posted in another reply: NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #119
Well, that's what's being argued. Throw the pimps in jail. That's what prostitution is. kcr Nov 2014 #120
That's not what is being argued... davidn3600 Nov 2014 #147
Why not put johns in jail? kcr Nov 2014 #148
Because I dont think it solves anything at all to jail adults who engage in consensual sex davidn3600 Nov 2014 #153
I don't think we should jail adults for consensual sex, either. kcr Nov 2014 #163
So you want the police to entrap people into committing crimes? Yavin4 Nov 2014 #248
What? kcr Nov 2014 #256
How else are you going to catch the "Johns"? Yavin4 Nov 2014 #257
How do you figure? n/t kcr Nov 2014 #258
How else are you going to identify who the "Johns" are? Yavin4 Nov 2014 #261
AAAAAAND there we have it LittleBlue Nov 2014 #129
Except no one is arguing for jailing for consensual acts kcr Nov 2014 #132
+1 Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #238
It's important to remember that Belle Knox is an entertainer. LeftyMom Nov 2014 #98
To quote the late great George Carlin: Initech Nov 2014 #109
And Belle Knox was one very abused person. Wella Nov 2014 #140
"We should especially not conflate the sex industry with the abuses of human trafficking" Recursion Nov 2014 #156
She's wrong about human traffickers. joshcryer Nov 2014 #176
Yep. Netherlands too. Recursion Nov 2014 #197
Same, I'm for it, but it needs a good social welfare system. joshcryer Nov 2014 #199
well the johns are criminals then treestar Nov 2014 #198
"Why does a porn actress have any interest in wanting other women to have to serve as prostitutes?" LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #205
I agree.nt bravenak Nov 2014 #226
That's like making it legal to sell drugs but illegal to buy them davidn3600 Nov 2014 #235
If it were legal it would be easier to catch the criminals. Kablooie Nov 2014 #212
are you suggesting that adults should be permitted to have consensual sex regardless of the motive Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #227
IMO, they are people with a history of abuse. They're also exploited. MADem Nov 2014 #228
It's not like anyone is going to change their minds here Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #230
Just want to add, most human trafficking is outside of sex work Yavin4 Nov 2014 #236
since when are criminals NOT people? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #253
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