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UglyGreed

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Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:39 AM Nov 2014

You don’t protect my freedom Our Childish Insistence on Calling Soldiers Heroes [View all]

You don’t protect my freedom: Our childish insistence on calling soldiers heroes deadens real democracy

It's been 70 years since we fought a war about freedom. Forced troop worship and compulsory patriotism must end

David Masciotra

Put a man in uniform, preferably a white man, give him a gun, and Americans will worship him. It is a particularly childish trait, of a childlike culture, that insists on anointing all active military members and police officers as “heroes.” The rhetorical sloppiness and intellectual shallowness of affixing such a reverent label to everyone in the military or law enforcement betrays a frightening cultural streak of nationalism, chauvinism, authoritarianism and totalitarianism, but it also makes honest and serious conversations necessary for the maintenance and enhancement of a fragile democracy nearly impossible.

It has become impossible to go a week without reading a story about police brutality, abuse of power and misuse of authority. Michael Brown’s murder represents the tip of a body pile, and in just the past month, several videos have emerged of police assaulting people, including pregnant women, for reasons justifiable only to the insane.

It is equally challenging for anyone reasonable, and not drowning in the syrup of patriotic sentimentality, to stop saluting, and look at the servicemen of the American military with criticism and skepticism. There is a sexual assault epidemic in the military. In 2003, a Department of Defense study found that one-third of women seeking medical care in the VA system reported experiencing rape or sexual violence while in the military. Internal and external studies demonstrate that since the official study, numbers of sexual assaults within the military have only increased, especially with male victims. According to the Pentagon, 38 men are sexually assaulted every single day in the U.S. military. Given that rape and sexual assault are, traditionally, the most underreported crimes, the horrific statistics likely fail to capture the reality of the sexual dungeon that has become the United States military.

Chelsea Manning, now serving time in prison as a whistle-blower, uncovered multiple incidents of fellow soldiers laughing as they murdered civilians. Keith Gentry, a former Navy man, wrote that when he and his division were bored they preferred passing the time with the “entertainment” of YouTube videos capturing air raids of Iraq and Afghanistan, often making jokes and mocking the victims of American violence. If the murder of civilians, the rape of “brothers and sisters” on base, and the relegation of death and torture of strangers as fodder for amusement qualifies as heroism, the world needs better villains.

It is undeniable that there are police officers who heroically uphold their motto and mission to “serve and protect,” just as it is indisputable that there are members of the military who valiantly sacrifice themselves for the sake of others. Reviewing the research proving cruelty and mendacity within law enforcement and the military, and reading the stories of trauma and tragedy caused by officers and soldiers, does not mean that no cop or troop qualifies as a hero, but it certainly means that many of them are not heroes.

Acknowledging the spread of sadism across the ranks of military also does not mean that the U.S. government should neglect veterans, as they often do, by cutting their healthcare options, delaying or denying treatment, and reducing psychiatric services. On the contrary, if American politicians and pundits genuinely believed that American military members are “heroes,” they would not settle for sloganeering, and garish tributes. They would insist that veterans receive the best healthcare possible. Improving and universalizing high quality healthcare for all Americans, including veterans, is a much better and truer way to honor the risks soldiers and Marines accept on orders than unofficially imposing a juvenile and dictatorial rule over speech in which anything less than absolute and awed adulation for all things military is treasonous

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/09/you_dont_protect_my_freedom_our_childish_insistence_on_calling_soldiers_heroes_deadens_real_democracy/












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It's not childish on the part of the politicians who put our military in harm's way again and again. merrily Nov 2014 #1
it is not UglyGreed Nov 2014 #3
I agree, but the necons of both parties abolished it and will not reinstate it merrily Nov 2014 #4
The draft hasn't been abolished atreides1 Nov 2014 #34
I think it is dotymed Nov 2014 #67
+1000, nt adirondacker Nov 2014 #165
i agree. it would solve a lot of problems, but only if the rich are included. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2014 #84
They would just mow down the protestors. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #172
Why do we have military acadamies? olegramps Nov 2014 #71
Excellent points. Please consider making that post an OP for merrily Nov 2014 #96
I wholeheartedly agree. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #2
Also, a lot of them sign up as kids. But, I don't think they are the OP's target anyway. merrily Nov 2014 #5
...kids that mostly have not reached emotional maturity. L0oniX Nov 2014 #61
Yup. Very little sense of their own mortality and ramifications of dying at age 19, too. merrily Nov 2014 #98
Using the word "Hero" to describe anyone in the military Bettie Nov 2014 #6
So now there are NO heroes in the military? As dumb as claiming all are pipoman Nov 2014 #42
No, there are heroes in the military Bettie Nov 2014 #46
No, here's what you said. ... pipoman Nov 2014 #51
By anyone, I meant Bettie Nov 2014 #59
Difference is, you have to put words in my mouth to dismiss me, pipoman Nov 2014 #66
And yet others seemed to understand quite easily Bettie Nov 2014 #87
And you are in obvious lockstep with the OP...nufsaid... pipoman Nov 2014 #90
In that I don't believe just putting on a uniform makes one automatically a hero? Bettie Nov 2014 #153
I understood, for what it's worth :) arcane1 Nov 2014 #151
Thanks... Bettie Nov 2014 #209
No, he didn't state that liberalhistorian Nov 2014 #143
It's a stretch to interpret the comment the way you did. Fail. Scuba Nov 2014 #202
It is overlooking ambiguity not to interpret it that way pipoman Nov 2014 #206
I'm a veteran. Your analysis of this thread sucks. Scuba Nov 2014 #208
Even some vets hate kids trying only to better themselves i suppose... pipoman Nov 2014 #217
That's not what this thread is about, ergo your analysis still sucks. Scuba Nov 2014 #218
Or the police, or fire fighters or Skidmore Nov 2014 #57
Thank you for understanding my point Bettie Nov 2014 #60
Someone in the military was treated extraordinarily? When? Where? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #76
10% discount at Lowes.... Oktober Nov 2014 #103
Hero's: football players, race car drivers, Olympic medalists ...yep the word has been hijacked. L0oniX Nov 2014 #58
Thanks to you as well Bettie Nov 2014 #62
to me, there is heroism in the military heaven05 Nov 2014 #121
Saw and heard plenty of gunfire The Wizard Nov 2014 #167
When I went to Vietnam as a very junior infantry officer Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #199
The Combat Infantryman Badge, Purple Heart and Vietnam Service Medal sum it up pretty well pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #201
I don't remember the number of my OCS class, Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #213
OCS classes were numbered by date pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #214
+1000 heaven05 Nov 2014 #204
I nominate Scientists and Peacemakers to replace Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #7
war is an extension heaven05 Nov 2014 #10
Actually it was Clausewitz, not Sun Tzu who said war is politics by other means? independentpiney Nov 2014 #47
actually, you're right heaven05 Nov 2014 #50
Hope I didn't come across as pedantic independentpiney Nov 2014 #109
nope heaven05 Nov 2014 #114
And all of the devices of war pipoman Nov 2014 #70
You're doing exactly what you falsely accused another of doing up-thread. Marr Nov 2014 #86
Maybe you can provide a list of actual scientist heroes. .. pipoman Nov 2014 #91
That is literally the dumbest request for a citation I've ever read here. Marr Nov 2014 #94
The vast majority of scientists pipoman Nov 2014 #100
First, I reject that insult to scientists in general. Marr Nov 2014 #105
It's telling that you "reject that insult to scientists" pipoman Nov 2014 #128
Where did I insult anyone? Marr Nov 2014 #129
What do you do about those scientists who create bigger and better death machines? Skidmore Nov 2014 #55
As I replied to the other poster Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #80
+1 L0oniX Nov 2014 #56
Yeah, because all scientists and "peacemakers" pipoman Nov 2014 #69
It's a lot easier to determine what scientist Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #78
Damned few vs most pipoman Nov 2014 #93
Do I really have to answer that argument? Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #101
Lol....90 I see... pipoman Nov 2014 #116
As if whether they were high school drop outs or not mattered Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #144
My point from the beginning has been the complete silliness of the assertion that pipoman Nov 2014 #174
You think they're heroes. Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #179
No, I think most are honorable and some are heroes pipoman Nov 2014 #205
Would you even be alive today Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #211
Obviously you weren't in Berlin, or Hawaii trying to run away pipoman Nov 2014 #216
Maybe you're right Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #224
"As in most scientists are chasing dollars throwing morals to the wind..." I'm sorry, that's.... Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #159
What is idiotic is pretending scientists, for the most part pipoman Nov 2014 #177
Holy fucking shit, you just keep digging, this is hilarious! Humanist_Activist Nov 2014 #225
Just Part of the Plan just us Nov 2014 #8
When you see a brigade of troops coming home from Ebola duty in Liberia, be sure to tell them that brooklynite Nov 2014 #9
they are to be commended heaven05 Nov 2014 #11
Another point, people in the military don't give up their lives in the service WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2014 #171
The people in the military are far closer to heroes Lurks Often Nov 2014 #12
You are right on both counts. On the draft being re-instated I hope you are right. Obviously, those pushing still_one Nov 2014 #23
Not only does a draft NOT keep us out of wars Lurks Often Nov 2014 #30
what it does is get more than a handful of families involved belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #40
Since the Selective Service Act of 1917 created the draft Lurks Often Nov 2014 #110
we dont know how many wars the draft kept us from, we have alot more now without it belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #111
You've failed to prove that the draft DID keep us out of a war Lurks Often Nov 2014 #119
When I served my experience was that the "US" guys (draftees) Ron Green Nov 2014 #234
Excellent point pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #236
Possibly, although that is something that is likely to be subjective Lurks Often Nov 2014 #241
yes but not as much as our emts or firemen or police (yea some police dont deserve that) belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #113
Yuk! I wish I had skipped over this OP. yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #13
You are right, it is pathetic. still_one Nov 2014 #25
...^ that 840high Nov 2014 #32
I agree. Poor taste. NT Adrahil Nov 2014 #43
Precisely - It's Because of Vets Day otohara Nov 2014 #73
What until Congress takes way COLA, VA compensation for retires and TRICARE increases yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #95
What do you disagree with phil89 Nov 2014 #104
It utter disgusting and full of exaggerated lies yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #108
This ^^^^ ctsnowman Nov 2014 #197
thank you. eom ellenfl Nov 2014 #14
Posting the day before Veterans day leftynyc Nov 2014 #15
Agreed. FailureToCommunicate Nov 2014 #17
Precisely the best time to make this point. earthside Nov 2014 #35
Well said. Ink Man Nov 2014 #68
Heroism is in the eye of the beholder. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #16
Thank you. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #18
General Smedley Butler had it right. Fuddnik Nov 2014 #19
You can't have it both ways... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #20
No American soldier has laid down his life for our country since 1945, or maybe 1952. Maedhros Nov 2014 #146
Exactly. ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #148
. stevenleser Nov 2014 #21
As a vet, it's my experience that vet's shun hero worship HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #22
I can't believe it is November... actslikeacarrot Nov 2014 #24
Calling everyone a hero diminishes those that truly are worthy of that label I would think Baclava Nov 2014 #26
Agreed. LP2K12 Nov 2014 #39
And its no pleasure to work with ... DrBulldog Nov 2014 #27
I Have The Opposite Situation ProgressiveJarhead Nov 2014 #52
Semper Fi Gyrene n/t DustyJoe Nov 2014 #75
THANK YOU Skittles Nov 2014 #186
It does have the affect of inhibiting emotional maturity developement... L0oniX Nov 2014 #53
I am now repelled everytime I see camo being worn ... DrBulldog Nov 2014 #28
sounds like you're the one who is "messed up" Skittles Nov 2014 #187
I am now repelled by your comments here. GGJohn Nov 2014 #212
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #29
I believe that the "greatest generation"... Nitram Nov 2014 #31
Oh they think everyone should be under military control ...I've heard them say it. L0oniX Nov 2014 #49
I agree completely with this. alarimer Nov 2014 #33
yeah we had heaven05 Nov 2014 #161
And it's all superficial. alarimer Nov 2014 #220
+10 heaven05 Nov 2014 #221
I am not a hero... LP2K12 Nov 2014 #36
Do not apologize sarisataka Nov 2014 #79
^THIS^ DustyJoe Nov 2014 #81
It would be interesting to see what would happen if a candidate for office in a swing district or Freddie Stubbs Nov 2014 #37
A peacenik on the Death Star? (My fav: No fighting in the war room.) L0oniX Nov 2014 #48
A blogger seeking attention by being "edgy" aikoaiko Nov 2014 #38
We tend to fall for simplistic narratives. ( The left does it too, btw.) Smarmie Doofus Nov 2014 #41
The military is only one pillar intended to keep us free. Orsino Nov 2014 #44
I wish it would keep us free from the super rich. L0oniX Nov 2014 #63
Amen dotymed Nov 2014 #99
+1 Wow ...someone who thinks like me ...only he doesn't go far enough. L0oniX Nov 2014 #45
Fixed it for you Lurks Often Nov 2014 #130
So because there are wars we need to be involved in them since there never is any peace anyway. L0oniX Nov 2014 #131
Try not to put words in my mouth Lurks Often Nov 2014 #134
I am not a hero CRK7376 Nov 2014 #54
you may not consider yourself as such, but you are. You gave service to your country. Thank-you still_one Nov 2014 #64
Thank you!!! Peacetrain Nov 2014 #124
Very few men and women in Congress will have heroes as sons and daughters KansDem Nov 2014 #65
disgruntled author DustyJoe Nov 2014 #72
This is the kind of mindless drivel pipoman Nov 2014 #74
Well said, sir. n/t cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #77
"Forced troop worship and compulsory patriotism must end" onenote Nov 2014 #82
Have you been to any sporting event recently? alarimer Nov 2014 #123
Yep. Partial season ticket holder for Washington Nationals onenote Nov 2014 #126
How many people are arrested annually for not rising for the anthem or taking a moment to Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #137
Heaven help you what? Oktober Nov 2014 #175
i don't think it's worship, more like respect. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2014 #83
"Forced troop worship sarisataka Nov 2014 #85
I do not know you personally UglyGreed Nov 2014 #107
Individual judgment is very good sarisataka Nov 2014 #117
Right on, and I ask who is pushing this hero label bahrbearian Nov 2014 #127
How would you feel if one UglyGreed Nov 2014 #115
I would not assume all vets are like that sarisataka Nov 2014 #118
You see UglyGreed Nov 2014 #120
The freedom to question our leaders sarisataka Nov 2014 #125
I promise you UglyGreed Nov 2014 #141
^You guys^ beam me up scottie Nov 2014 #163
"I volunteered to..." Intentions don't always match the outcome Taitertots Nov 2014 #152
I do think sarisataka Nov 2014 #155
I am very uneasy that members of the Armed Forces are now "Warriors". hedgehog Nov 2014 #88
You can always count on a blogger to shit on every holiday each year. Inkfreak Nov 2014 #89
I show my respect for veterans by voting JEB Nov 2014 #92
Well aren't you the leftiest Lefty in Leftyville? Throd Nov 2014 #97
and I'm left handed UglyGreed Nov 2014 #106
Well.. That was full to the brim with whining.... Oktober Nov 2014 #102
Does anyone actually believe this? LittleBlue Nov 2014 #112
You must first protect your person, before worrying about "freedom" ileus Nov 2014 #122
Just when I think DU can't sink any lower ... NanceGreggs Nov 2014 #132
My God, we can give them that after all we put them through, can't we? I also grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #133
"70 years since we fought a war about freedom"... even longer since soldiers saved OUR freedom paulkienitz Nov 2014 #135
I'll wager the lowest performing honorably discharged soldier Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #136
You have given me the courage swilton Nov 2014 #138
It always has struck me that the peace-makers do it for nothing . . FairWinds Nov 2014 #139
I was a teenager during the Vietnam War. lark Nov 2014 #140
Amen...right on! Hulk Nov 2014 #142
One of the 14 Signs of Fascism blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #145
Getting pretty damn close JEB Nov 2014 #169
One of the best pieces I've ever read on this subject: silverweb Nov 2014 #147
My heroes are teachers, nurses, and librarians RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #149
It has always been thus. DeSwiss Nov 2014 #150
This is one of the main reasons UglyGreed Nov 2014 #173
This is a bunch of crap. Separation Nov 2014 #154
They still sign up knowing what they may be ordered to do phil89 Nov 2014 #156
many of the most self-rightous sarisataka Nov 2014 #157
That is one great thing about this country, you don't have to do shit Rex Nov 2014 #158
Another overlooked point sarisataka Nov 2014 #160
Another false stereotype still touted since Vietnam. Separation Nov 2014 #166
Thanks for that perspective. Union Scribe Nov 2014 #189
The military definitely protects our freedoms by deterring attack. Vattel Nov 2014 #162
I know I'm going to UglyGreed Nov 2014 #181
This article nails it mwrguy Nov 2014 #164
Is my 10% discount at Lowes just too much for you? Oktober Nov 2014 #176
I'm glad you UglyGreed Nov 2014 #195
Veterans must be so happy we give them the privilege to be homeless, no mental help, and chrisa Nov 2014 #240
Which is it, "preferably a white man" or the usual "military preys on minorities"? 7962 Nov 2014 #168
A fair number of the what job cops were in the military. That's the sad part. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #184
K&R valerief Nov 2014 #170
To the complaints about UglyGreed Nov 2014 #178
veterans are treated like shit in this country JI7 Nov 2014 #182
The government UglyGreed Nov 2014 #190
really ? this reminds me of wingnuts complaining about Happy Holidays JI7 Nov 2014 #180
Please UglyGreed Nov 2014 #191
Right Wingers are sadistic by nature... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #183
TRUTH!! nt kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #185
As Terry Pratchett once said. Rye Bread Pizza Nov 2014 #188
Well do UglyGreed Nov 2014 #192
By the way UglyGreed Nov 2014 #193
"since we fought a war about freedom" bhikkhu Nov 2014 #194
My father was UglyGreed Nov 2014 #198
As a Vet "Hero" is over used, way over used IdiocracyTheNewNorm Nov 2014 #196
You don't protect freedom by demeaning soldiers either Android3.14 Nov 2014 #200
People UglyGreed Nov 2014 #203
Weird strawman Android3.14 Nov 2014 #223
I'm a weird Fella UglyGreed Nov 2014 #230
Let me add UglyGreed Nov 2014 #210
Here you go, a little bit of pity Android3.14 Nov 2014 #222
I have found sarisataka Nov 2014 #227
You might want to consider your words. Android3.14 Nov 2014 #228
I understand the words sarisataka Nov 2014 #231
The word that goes here is "hypocrite" Android3.14 Nov 2014 #235
Talking about character flaw UglyGreed Nov 2014 #237
We are each the victims of our childhood Android3.14 Nov 2014 #238
First this is on going on UglyGreed Nov 2014 #239
Hmm. Android3.14 Nov 2014 #242
With my father UglyGreed Nov 2014 #243
Unsure if we actually met Android3.14 Nov 2014 #244
I wish I had such a vivid UglyGreed Nov 2014 #245
Here you go Droid UglyGreed Nov 2014 #246
I'm guessing you offer it as proof that your father was at Nuremberg. Android3.14 Nov 2014 #247
You are trolling now and have UglyGreed Nov 2014 #248
Thank you sarisataka UglyGreed Nov 2014 #232
You are welcome sarisataka Nov 2014 #233
It is my reality N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #229
I never considered myself a hero JonLP24 Nov 2014 #207
Four years in the Corps... Bigmack Nov 2014 #215
I'm grateful to the men and women who have served in our country's armed forces. dawg Nov 2014 #219
I will have to agree. :( LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #226
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