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baldguy

(36,649 posts)
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:27 PM Oct 2014

What will the Warren Presidency look like? [View all]

In spite of her protestations to the contrary, and in spite of her repeated, outspoken support for Hillary Clinton, there are some people who would like promote Elizabeth Warren for President. These same people love to present themselves as more-liberal-than-thou, yet they blindly accept RW memes promoted by the corporate media that "both parties are the same", literally hate the mainstream, center-left Democratic Party (using epithets like "Third Way", "Republican-lite", "Wall Street party", etc etc ....), despise any Democratic candidate who might actually have a chance to win in a general election - such as Hillary Clinton, belittle any & every attempt by real Democrats to support the party and it's policies, and are happy to enthusiastically promote whatever current RW lie about Democrats & the Democratic Party.

How would these faux Democrats respond to an actual Warren Administration? Well, we have the last couple Democratic administrations to go by: honest leftists collectively breathed a sigh of relief when both Bill Clinton & Barack Obama won the White House, but the faux Democrats were instead disappointed. While most people - including non-ideological conservatives - were looking forward to a potentially bright future with both the new Presidents, the fauxnies were taking queues from the RW crazies to try to undermine it. In large part, they succeeded, unfortunately.

In spite of the fact that, while not perfect (and it never is & never will be), Clinton presided over the longest & biggest economic boom in American history that helped tens of millions of Americans. The fauxnies only view him as a tool of the corporatocracy. The view just undermined the Democrats power & influence, and gave the Republicans a stage to promote their jihad, thereby allowing the corporatocracy to gain more power.

Obama's historic win in 2008 & reelection in 2012 again gave the majority of Americans something to look forward to. And in his arrogant, ignorant air of superiority, Bill O'Reilly has voiced the basic problem of the RW: Republicans are afraid of black people. (And well they should be, given the demographic realities of the coming decades.) But the fauxnies err again in taking up the RW's distaste of black people and the cause of the the RW's inherent racism to attack, degrade & attempt to tarnish Obama's many, many accomplishments. Of course, they spout endless denials of this, but they can't alter the fact that the original source of every one of their criticisms is nothing more than the color of his skin.

So how would this paradigm play out under a Warren Administration? Again, with the election of the first woman to the highest office in the land, the great majority of the country will look forward to it, seeing the country as being poised for a bright future. This is one of the general commonalities of every new Democratic Presidency. Of course the RW would have rumblings against her, as they always do for any Democrat. And they'll try using the same bullshit misrepresentations they use now against her: that she's a communist; that she lied about her Native American ancestry; that she's the same old "Tax & Spend Liberal" as every other Democrat, etc etc etc. But President Warren would soon realize that she not only needs to lead, but she needs govern, as well. And being the very, very smart person that she is, she'd do what she can to get things through Congress and actually sign some bills to help people.

This pragmatic approach would ultimately doom her with the very same fauxnies who who now are praising her & urging her to run. And, of course they'll go to the very same RW propaganda sources they go to now to get their opinions & complaints to trash a Democratic President. Ironically, it'll most likely come with the failure of comprehensive Wall Street Reform; there will be some small steps in the right direction - which will inevitably piss off the RW, but there will be no major changes in the fundamental way the finance industry does business - which will piss off the fauxny Left. And in their attacks on President Warren, fauxny Left will feel no hesitation to use talking points from the worst the RW propaganda machine has to offer. (They never have shown any hesitation so far. Have they?) Rand Paul will polish the turd of his evil ideology; the fauxnies will have a new hero, again. Glenn Greenwald will take some standard business practice that's been going on since the Eisenhower Administration that nobody has ever had a problem with before, try to paint it as something unsavory & immoral, then lay it all at the feet of Elizabeth Warren. The fauxnies will lap it up.

In short, in the eyes of the fauxny Left, the very act of governing the country makes a candidate unfit to govern the country - no matter how successful they are. And that goes double if the candidate is popular, reasonable & well-spoken. Real Democrats and real progressives recognize that such an attitude is not just contrarian, it's actually destructive to democracy and to the desire to enact real liberal policies into law.

Republicans just love that shit. Just keep that in mind in these last few days before Election Day.

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Gee. enlightenment Oct 2014 #1
Eyes on the prize, pal. Eyes on the prize. baldguy Oct 2014 #2
Consider sticking to the pit bull stuff MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #3
High praise from one who has such a loose grip on reality themselves. baldguy Oct 2014 #4
Well said. nt Andy823 Oct 2014 #5
Ouch. MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #9
... SidDithers Oct 2014 #24
I agree with you. Andy823 Oct 2014 #6
as soon as the Republican obstruction continues.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #80
Nice. But, I'm still not voting for Clinton. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #7
I assume 'nice' is being used ironically Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #8
The irony, of course, is that in 2010 it wasn't the "Left" (fauxny or otherwise) or Progressives KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #44
The coalition was unwilling?...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #46
!!! zappaman Nov 2014 #56
Let's agree to forget that inconvenient truth... daleanime Nov 2014 #78
you are right demigoddess Nov 2014 #91
"RW memes promoted by the corporate media that "both parties are the same" ozone_man Oct 2014 #10
And in the almost 30 yrs since that story, Bernie realized his error. baldguy Oct 2014 #13
True, he doesn't say it anymore. ozone_man Oct 2014 #22
A lot of straw-men there baldguy Joe Turner Nov 2014 #31
A loving Pit Bull who's never bitten anyone and never will? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #11
Hate to turn it into a pit bull thread, ozone_man Oct 2014 #12
unrec AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #14
"Acting like a Democrat" means unequivocally supporting the nominee of the Democratic party. baldguy Oct 2014 #16
Hillary will not get my vote. AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #28
The GOP candidate thanks you for your support. baldguy Nov 2014 #54
preemptive browbeating AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #55
If you refuse to support the Dem candidate for President, that's one less vote the Republican needs. baldguy Nov 2014 #57
Wrong Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #36
Rebublicans insist on their candidates hold increasingly extreme & unpopular positions baldguy Nov 2014 #38
And the political minority that currently controls the Democratic Party Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #82
Only a Republican could want a Democrat to act like a Democrat MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #17
Better to be a Democrat than act like one. Autumn Nov 2014 #84
Corporate blather. woo me with science Oct 2014 #15
Why do you hate Elizabeth Warren? baldguy Oct 2014 #18
WTF? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #19
It's something peculiar to the right side of the political spectrum DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #23
amazing that call out like this are allowed. anyone who posted a rant like this Doctor_J Nov 2014 #41
Kind of like Andy823 Nov 2014 #61
Yeah? Keep this in mind... I'm apparently a "Faux Democrat" SomethingFishy Oct 2014 #20
+1 Union Scribe Nov 2014 #35
Faux democrats, Decider? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #21
DU rec...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #25
Great dividing effort sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #26
If she loses the left and picks more centrist which is heavier in numbers, what does the left win? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #27
Ah,yes, I have heard something similar to this before sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #30
You have to be responsible for your vote, my question is what does the left win? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #32
There's always somewhere else to go. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #47
I would have agreed with some of this, but I'm afraid you're more than little off base here, too. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #29
I nearly quit reading after "fauxnies" but decided to soldier on. pa28 Nov 2014 #33
"Republicans just love that shit." Union Scribe Nov 2014 #34
4 words: FED CHAIR PAUL KRUGMAN JaneyVee Nov 2014 #37
In Defense of Obama, By Paul Krugman baldguy Nov 2014 #39
this site hates liberals more than hate radio does Doctor_J Nov 2014 #40
Wanting liberal Democratic candidates to win elections = "hating liberals" baldguy Nov 2014 #42
Amazing isn't it Andy823 Nov 2014 #59
Liberals are such victims treestar Nov 2014 #71
Your bias is showing. LWolf Nov 2014 #43
Trying to cast every mainstream liberal Democrat as "Third Way" or "neo-liberal" is what's wrong. baldguy Nov 2014 #45
I don't think that word means what you think it means. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #49
Of course, I don't see that happening. LWolf Nov 2014 #50
You know what **REALLY** doesn't help? Not supporting Democrats. baldguy Nov 2014 #53
That's a bit simplistic for me. LWolf Nov 2014 #67
It is that simple. baldguy Nov 2014 #68
Only for those whose minds are too simple LWolf Nov 2014 #69
K&R. Well said. n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #48
Could someone please summarize the jist of the post? Thanks. nt ladjf Nov 2014 #51
Liberals are what's wrong with the nation, because Doctor_J Nov 2014 #52
Shit that just about describes the last 35 years. Rex Nov 2014 #60
That's not what it says at all, of course. baldguy Nov 2014 #62
thanks for reminding me. I left off "liberals are the real racists". does Fox object Doctor_J Nov 2014 #63
Again, not what it says at all. baldguy Nov 2014 #64
A Warren administration would be as disappointing to doctrinaire idealogues Recursion Nov 2014 #73
listen folks, the 2016 primaries and caucuses are over and Hillary won fair and square Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #58
Imaginary customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #65
Damn skippy! nt MrScorpio Nov 2014 #66
+10000000000 treestar Nov 2014 #70
Exactly Andy823 Nov 2014 #76
Since a Warren Presidency is a fantasy, imagine anything you want... brooklynite Nov 2014 #72
k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Nov 2014 #74
I'm pretty sure it wasn't your intent but the take-away I got was -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #75
Why bother? Because - as Obama has proven - progress can still be made. baldguy Nov 2014 #83
Lost me in two senctenses.... daleanime Nov 2014 #77
The premise for Obama haters is that napalm is *better*. baldguy Nov 2014 #85
Yes, I know.... daleanime Nov 2014 #86
I'm guessing the vacuum of outer space rock Nov 2014 #79
Shitbull whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #81
And the national debt will be wiped out in a year hughee99 Nov 2014 #87
Yes, it's time we all unite behind our Party's nominee, now that the 2016 Primaries are over. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #88
Funny that's it's verboten to raise the slightest question about Warren's chances for the WH. baldguy Nov 2014 #89
It's not "verboten". Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #90
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