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In reply to the discussion: For our isolationistic nationalism loving DU'ers who want the world to be a bigger place [View all]Zalatix
(8,994 posts)94. At what point does RB Tex LA realize this thread hasn't gone the way s/he expected?
Democrats used to support free trade. This is a fact.
We studied free trade. We reviewed the facts, the arguments, the evidence.
We watched it play out and we learned from the lessons of history.
We have increasingly found it to be a massive race to the bottom scam, a pile of excrement which cannot be abided.
Support for free trade and offshoring has had its time, it has run its course, it has been found severely lacking in credibility.
Free traders are finding themselves having to scream louder and are convincing fewer and fewer people.
At what point does it become inescapably obvious that advocating free trade is pointless because no one buys it anymore?
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RB TexLa
Apr 2012
OP
No, most people want to connect with the bigger market. It's just a few that look down on people
RB TexLa
Apr 2012
#3
None of them which goes to show healthy economies don't have to focus on limiting imports.
pampango
Apr 2012
#86
Germany's VAT refunds and tariffs on American cars are but a small sample of their protectionism.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#93
It would be interesting to know the percentages of raw goods/resources exported and imported
suffragette
Apr 2012
#59
Are you saying that the American Plan to protect American jobs and markets thru tariffs that worked
Vincardog
Apr 2012
#6
Every other country was bombed back to the stone age in WWII. Get your facts straight.
Vincardog
Apr 2012
#80
There is nothing wrong with that. We have more money so of course we are going to consume more
RB TexLa
Apr 2012
#34
There is nothing wrong with losing 500 billion dollars a year? Are you insane?
Elwood P Dowd
Apr 2012
#37
I understand you want to make sure the US the 1% of the world keeps all that money.
RB TexLa
Apr 2012
#42
And I understand you want to give away our jobs AND our money to anyone not American
Elwood P Dowd
Apr 2012
#45
Do you understand the basic relationship between the trade deficit and the national debt?
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#46
YOU have not explained it. You've merely linked an article you've misunderstood
mathematic
Apr 2012
#88
You left out the fact that Germany slaps big tariffs on US products... such as cars.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#55
They also hit many of our products with a 20-30% VAT. If a German firm manufacturers the same or
Elwood P Dowd
Apr 2012
#57
Oh that's another important fact. But here's the most hilarious part about this argument
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#58
Foreign markets don't hate America. They buy plenty of our stuff. The US is the world's #2 exporter.
pampango
Apr 2012
#36
I was responding to your post that "foreign markets hate America". That's wrong. I'm glad you've
pampango
Apr 2012
#100
OK. We're the world's second largest exporter but "they" don't want our goods.
pampango
Apr 2012
#107
We have the largest trade deficit in the history of humanity. Reality, pampango. nt
Romulox
Apr 2012
#116
How does the Simon Anholt Nation Branding index explain our $46 billion monthly trade deficit?
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#75
Great. How does that explain the fact that America imports FAR more than it exports?
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#81
What it does explain is the 'American Brand' isn't the problem, with ratings like that (nt)
MichaelMcGuire
Apr 2012
#109
If the brand wasn't the problem then our exports would be much higher relative to our imports.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#110
RB needs to take his fake free trade talking points to a US Chamber Of Commerce forum run by the
Elwood P Dowd
Apr 2012
#13
When you START with namecalling, A. no one listens to you, and B. you lose by default.
saras
Apr 2012
#15
Progressive countries trade (and import) more than us, not less. The reason they are progressive
pampango
Apr 2012
#19
I like buying locally to keep money in my community. Wtf does it have to do with intrntl borders?
uppityperson
Apr 2012
#28
Bullshit. You can't go get a job to produce goods for China. The world is NOT YOUR COMMUNITY.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#104
And you don't even see the irony of misusing "community" to limit who you are bound to.
RB TexLa
Apr 2012
#120
It is true. This thread is all about YOU telling American workers to go suck it.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#127
If international borders are so artificial and unimportant, why can't people freely cross
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2012
#30
Europe has largely accomplished this, but things are quite progressive over there.
pampango
Apr 2012
#39
I consider the lack of borders within the EU to represent a "borderless society". If you want to
pampango
Apr 2012
#101
I give credit to the EU for transforming a continent with 27 "borders" on the continent to 1 -
pampango
Apr 2012
#108
You know that pampango is out of intellectually ammunition when she begins race baiting.
Romulox
Apr 2012
#114
It's fun to poke fingers in her tissue paper arguments...not a lot of thought seems to go into them.
Romulox
Apr 2012
#124
No, it has not. The EU has, to a certain extent. That is more analogous to our going
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2012
#74
Plus, the UK in particular has done a lot of replacing of British low-wage workers
Lydia Leftcoast
Apr 2012
#91
At what point does your Utopianism interface with modern America as it exists...in the Real World?
Romulox
Apr 2012
#85
"What went wrong" is that we used to have most of the policies that Europe still has.
pampango
Apr 2012
#95
And despite this massive imbalance, you devote 100% of your advocacy to expanding corporate power?
Romulox
Apr 2012
#115
What went wrong is the US never instituted publicly funded elections and is destroying itself.
Selatius
Apr 2012
#123
The freep or News ran an article the other day about West Michigan towns devastated by the loss
Romulox
Apr 2012
#117
At what point does RB Tex LA realize this thread hasn't gone the way s/he expected?
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#94
You make a valid point I demand walls and moats with sharks and lasers on their friggin' heads.
jp11
Apr 2012
#43
For our intellectually lazy, ideology loving DUers who want to argue with strawmen only.
JackRiddler
Apr 2012
#84
I have here in my hand, a list of 80 isolationistic nationalism loving DU'ers who want the world to
FSogol
Apr 2012
#92
Yep, and playing the "xenophobia" card from the bottom of the deck. As usual.
HughBeaumont
Apr 2012
#125