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FBaggins

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20. Not sure why you thought that was relevant to the thread...
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 12:36 PM
Oct 2014

Last edited Wed Oct 22, 2014, 01:06 PM - Edit history (1)

... but you should educate yourself on the facts in that case. It was debunked over two years ago (on the very site that enenews links to) by a molecular radiation biologist who is a professor in the health physics department at Georgetown. The"reserchers" who were apparently having trouble getting their "research" funded when they were looking at the impact of temperature on butterflies apparently decided to switch over to pretending that the impact was from Fukushima. They must have assumed that this woud bring in the governmnt funding... but alas, it was not to be.

EX-SKF's (a Japanese blogger acceptable to anti-nuclear posters on DU since 3/11) summary pretty much covers it:


http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/06/university-of-ryukus-paper-on-butterfly.html

A major finding of the study is that forewing size was inversely correlated with distance from Fukushima, resulting in the conclusion that radiation from Fukushima had stunted forewing development. However, the more distant butterfly sampling sites were all progressively further south of Fukushima, so that latitude was also changing with the distance. This is a problem because it is well established that the forewing size of a number of insect species is dependent upon the latitude of their microhabitat. This has been extensively studied both in fruit flies (Drosophila subobscura) and butterflies (Pararge aeberia), and the magnitude of the forewing changes found in this study is comparable to these known latitudinal determinants on forewing anatomy (1, 2). The potential latitudinal influences on forewing size were completely ignored in this study. Had the data been adjusted for sampling site latitude, it is likely there would have been no significant forewing findings to report.

The second major problem is that the decreased butterfly survival rates reported to be associated with proximity to Fukushima are claimed to be reproducible in the laboratory with external beam irradiation. This claim stretches credulity since it has long been established that insects, including butterflies (Order: Lepidoptera), are resistant to radiation effects. It takes an average dose of 10,000 mSv to kill a Lepidoptera cell (3), and it requires an average dose of 1,300 mSv to Lepidoptera eggs to reduce their hatch rate by 50% (4). Larval, pupal, and adult forms of Lepidoptera are even more radioresistant (5). The concept that the low environmental radiation exposures (<15 mSv per year) that are being attributed to the Fukushima accident could be killing off butterflies, or any other insect species, is simply not credible. It should further be noted the external radiation doses that were used to reproduce the results from field-collected individuals were 100 times higher (coprrection and emphasis mine FB) than any radiation doses in the field that could possibly be attributed to Fukushima. Thus, it can even be seen from the investigators' own laboratory experimental data that no measurable killing would be expected at the radiation doses that were encountered in the field.

The third major problem regards the time to eclosion (emergence of an adult insect from a pupa). Eclosion times were claimed to be associated with proximity to Fukushima. Yet irradiation has been employed as a pest control measure for a number of insect species for decades (6), and the effects of radiation on various insect biological endpoints have already been well characterized. It typically takes as much as 30,000 mSv of Lepidoptera egg irradiation to extend eclosion times by the 4 to 5 days reported in this study, and similarly high doses are required when irradiation is done in the larval stage (5). It is, therefore, astounding that effects on eclosion of a similar magnitude can be seen at radiation doses that are just a few fold above natural background doses. So the claim that eclosion times were extended due to these environmental radiation exposures is also incredible when compared to the literature. Perhaps it is more plausible that eclosion time of the pale grass blue butterfly, like forewing size, might also be related to microhabitat latitude or temperature. [Average daily temperatures differ by as much as 9 degrees Celsius between Fukushima and Tokyo during April (hatching season).]

There are other inferences from this study's findings that counter established radiation biology tenets,..

...snip...

In conclusion, the results reported in this study should be considered highly suspect due to both their internal inconsistencies and their incompatibility with earlier and more comprehensive radiation biology research on insects. The study's central assertion is that 'artificial radionuclides from the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant caused physiological and genetic damage to [the pale grass blue butterfly]'. This statement is incredulous and goes well beyond anything that the study data can actually substantiate....


Particularly useful in the comments was the comparison of their relative qualifications

Dr. Jorgensen is a radiation biologist, cancer epidemiologist, and public health professional. He has formal training in radiation health sciences and radiation biology (Ph.D., Johns Hopkins); cancer molecular biology (postdoctoral fellowship; Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Harvard Medical School); risk assessment (graduate certificate; Center for Risk Science and Public Policy, Johns Hopkins); and epidemiology (MPH, Johns Hopkins). He is board certified in Public Health (CPH), and a Member of Council on the National Council for Radiation Protection. He is Chairman of the Radiation Safety Committee at Georgetown University. He teach graduate courses in radiation biology, radiation protection, and radiation risk assessment in the Health Physics Program, and he trains radiation oncology residents at Georgetown University Hospital. In addition to his regular appointment in the Department of Radiation Medicine at Georgetown, he also holds an adjunct faculty appointment in the Department of Epidemiology at the Bloomberg School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins. Dr. Jorgensen's research interests include the genetic factors that determine cellular radioresistance, and genetic variants that may modify the risk of radiation-induced cancer.

Joji Otaki, the original paper's corresponding author, is a marine biologist. Hardly an expert in radiation and in butterflies.



Too late. zappaman Oct 2014 #1
He will be here soon enough to educate us... snooper2 Oct 2014 #2
That's ok, the radiation went back in time and killed us all already. jeff47 Oct 2014 #5
No, we all died during the Y2K disaster. MineralMan Oct 2014 #7
Sounds like progress. It's good to have some actual information MineralMan Oct 2014 #3
Safety is relative jeff47 Oct 2014 #4
Indeed FBaggins Oct 2014 #8
Very good, jeff RobertEarl Oct 2014 #79
Yes, the time traveling radiation has wiped out all life in the northern hemisphere jeff47 Oct 2014 #81
Huh? RobertEarl Oct 2014 #82
It's your theory. jeff47 Oct 2014 #83
Not my theory RobertEarl Oct 2014 #84
Already posted a link. From your topic in January jeff47 Oct 2014 #85
Close RobertEarl Oct 2014 #86
"The best I've ever done" being a thread I was in in January. jeff47 Oct 2014 #87
Now you are just rambling RobertEarl Oct 2014 #89
Nope. You're projecting, yet again. jeff47 Oct 2014 #90
So that is a yes. RobertEarl Oct 2014 #91
I did post a link in that post. jeff47 Oct 2014 #93
There was no link about RobertEarl Oct 2014 #94
Yes, there was. But might as well skip it, since you don't like it. jeff47 Oct 2014 #95
Your link, jeff, is about mussels RobertEarl Oct 2014 #96
Heh RobertEarl Oct 2014 #98
>99% <> 100% Orrex Oct 2014 #6
Listen to me. We've traced the radiation... it's coming from inside the house! FSogol Oct 2014 #23
Well, if you can't believe Tepco, who can you believe? gratuitous Oct 2014 #9
A few corrections FBaggins Oct 2014 #10
So, your information is outdated or bad, but my reading comprehension is poor? gratuitous Oct 2014 #12
Nope to the first... and yes to the second. FBaggins Oct 2014 #13
DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2014 #11
Ah... the classics. nt FBaggins Oct 2014 #14
So, in other words, a global catastrophe. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #15
Hey now... don't go putting words in their mouths. FBaggins Oct 2014 #16
ENENews RobertEarl Oct 2014 #17
An excellent example of how enenews twists reality in their reporting (sic) FBaggins Oct 2014 #21
How do you explain how the entire pacific coast has been radiated and even dolphins in the Atlantic zappaman Oct 2014 #29
Active imagination? FBaggins Oct 2014 #44
UN and Greenpeace say RobertEarl Oct 2014 #56
ENENews!!!! zappaman Oct 2014 #24
As expected. longship Oct 2014 #31
Took long enough zappaman Oct 2014 #32
Well, my friend. Sometimes the only appropriate response to ideology is ridicule. longship Oct 2014 #33
Good News. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #18
Fukushima butterflies RobertEarl Oct 2014 #19
Not sure why you thought that was relevant to the thread... FBaggins Oct 2014 #20
It was debunked two years ago? RobertEarl Oct 2014 #22
Because it was written before and ENENews just decided to rerun it again for the gullible. zappaman Oct 2014 #26
Actually there has been a new study Generic Other Oct 2014 #38
Topic is removal of fuel rods RobertEarl Oct 2014 #41
Correction FBaggins Oct 2014 #42
It was just posted this year? FBaggins Oct 2014 #36
It's worse than you realize. Orrex Oct 2014 #25
LOL! zappaman Oct 2014 #27
Why do you hate science? RobertEarl Oct 2014 #28
Ironic post of the year! zappaman Oct 2014 #30
this one is indeed fabulous ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2014 #53
Here's a fabulous link RobertEarl Oct 2014 #63
My notions and emotions? Orrex Oct 2014 #35
They will fall for just about anything, won't they? FBaggins Oct 2014 #37
OMFG! First the sea stars, and now the butterflies! longship Oct 2014 #46
I was waiting for a post from you. LOL. nt Logical Oct 2014 #65
As we all were. zappaman Oct 2014 #68
First good Fukushima news we've heard Generic Other Oct 2014 #34
That's really the first you've heard? FBaggins Oct 2014 #39
You really think there has been "good news" coming out of Fukushima? Generic Other Oct 2014 #40
Certainly FBaggins Oct 2014 #43
You can't determine the magnitude of the problem Generic Other Oct 2014 #52
They have already come to a conclusion RobertEarl Oct 2014 #60
I have to agree with you here, Robert Generic Other Oct 2014 #74
Never heard of so much sickness & death in such a short period RobertEarl Oct 2014 #45
Please keep that FDS nonsense in creative speculation where it belongs. FBaggins Oct 2014 #47
The plural of anecdote is not data. longship Oct 2014 #48
"I would be building a bunker to hide in" zappaman Oct 2014 #49
Heh heh heh! longship Oct 2014 #50
The same. Always spewing the same crap. longship Oct 2014 #51
You are in violation of the TOS -- za RobertEarl Oct 2014 #55
Uh huh. zappaman Oct 2014 #57
And another: Libel RobertEarl Oct 2014 #69
Time to lawyer up I guess. zappaman Oct 2014 #70
So you've stopped denying that's you? LeftyMom Oct 2014 #59
It is? zappaman Oct 2014 #62
Xema and I were playing the Doomsday Preppers drinking game and saw him. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #64
Heh RobertEarl Oct 2014 #54
" Anyway, these report items are words for the wise. The rest of you, well, you're on your own." zappaman Oct 2014 #58
UN and Grenpeace say RobertEarl Oct 2014 #61
Please don't copypasta stupid crap all over the thread. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #66
Please share your credentials with us Generic Other Oct 2014 #77
I prefer an anti-nuke "hack" site Generic Other Oct 2014 #75
Who said everything's hunky dory? longship Oct 2014 #92
LOL, your usual source. nt Logical Oct 2014 #67
Source is RobertEarl Oct 2014 #71
Enenews nt Logical Oct 2014 #72
Post your sources RobertEarl Oct 2014 #78
Here's the thing RobertEarl Oct 2014 #73
Robert you don't have to defend yourself for caring Generic Other Oct 2014 #76
Thank you, Generic Other RobertEarl Oct 2014 #97
our eternal problem n/t librechik Oct 2014 #80
In short, nuclear power plants are too dangerous brentspeak Oct 2014 #88
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