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HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
23. No, it's not only democratic voters
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:12 AM
Oct 2014

however, it's known that the higher the voter turn-out, the more likely the Democrats will win. So, in order to keep the turn-out as low as possible, the repubs are willing to sacrifice their own. And, I suspect, a bit of repub snobbery - if you cant afford to register or get to the polling place, they don't want your vote anyway. And as far as "cant possibly be so may people", the exercise of democracy requires that voting be accessible to all citizens.

Yes, there would be pro-bono attorneys, but the bottom line is the same. Every document necessary for voter registration costs money, some more than others. When the choice is $50 worth of groceries for the kids or $50 for a certified birth certificate, it is more likely that the groceries will be top priority. That's why the 24th amendment to the constitution banned the poll tax, and any document that requires a fee for purpose of registration is de facto a poll tax.

Not everyone has a SS#. The requirement for a SS# changed over time and it was not required for children to obtain one (for tax identification purposes on parent's returns) until 1986. And the real killer was the Real ID Act of 2005 which "Establishes State driver’s license and identification security standards which requires States to confirm with Social Security a SSN for issuance of a drivers license or identity card". (P.L. 109-13) Prior to 2005, a drivers license or identity card was sufficient ID for any purpose, including voter registration.

These voter ID laws contain other voter-suppression tricks besides specific ID documentation. For example, by reducing Sunday early voting, it hampers inner-city people who have, for years, gone to their local church on Sunday and the church taking them by bus to their polling place. This was particularly important for people who work all week and not able to take time off for voting, for those without cars for transportation to the polling place and for the elderly and/or handicapped people who have mobility difficulties.

Another trick used is the relocation of the polling place without adequate notification. When it is difficult enough to get to a local polling station, the problems are prohibitive in locating and getting to a new station. I saw a news item on MSNBC a couple of months back where they interviewed a woman (it was Detroit, if I recall correctly) who said that her polling place was previously just a couple of blocks from her home, but since its been relocated it takes two bus transfers just to get to the new place. The time involved and the bus cost is a sure deterrent to voting.

Some of the voter suppression laws have required re-registration, even when people have been voting for decades. This is the most hard-hit demographic as they are the least likely to have any of the documentation required.

Fortunately (for me anyway), I live in Washington State. We have on-line registration; when my granddaughter turned 18 I helped her register to vote on-line. We have mail-in ballots. Those of use who have been registered to vote since dirt was young have not been required to re-register or provide any additional ID documents.

In my opinion, the answer to the voter suppression laws is to expand registration availability, require fee-less documentation and vote by mail, with no postage required. Naw -- that would be too simple.

Yep shenmue Oct 2014 #1
Amen! kentuck Oct 2014 #2
Exactly. LoisB Oct 2014 #3
Are photo ID rules customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #4
Because no one has ever attempted to fly a voting booth into a skyscraper LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #29
Voting isn't potentially dangerous, then? customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #42
The purpose of an ID for flying is for security LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #59
Security theater, perhaps customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #64
In person voter fraud - 1 to 14.6 million. loyalsister Oct 2014 #44
Wonder what the odds are on the average citizen being a terrorist? customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #46
When a person lives on the margins, they don't need photo ID as much loyalsister Oct 2014 #50
Privileged? customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #51
Uh do you know how many of your "vast majority" are actually city dwellers who never needed VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #52
Yeah, there are a lot of people in the cities customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #55
so screw all the voters over 60 who can't? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #53
You've misunderstood me completely customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #56
GTFO of here....you have to apply for a Voter Registration....it has worked quite well up until now VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #58
And people on our side customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #62
It's more difficult for women loyalsister Oct 2014 #57
OK customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #60
Men don't change their names loyalsister Oct 2014 #72
K & R Iliyah Oct 2014 #5
New Jim Crow. Hissyspit Oct 2014 #6
If people can vote, Republicans lose, because Republicans don't have an appealing message. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #7
When gerrymandering doesn't work ... enact voter ID laws. lpbk2713 Oct 2014 #8
i have had an ID ever since I was 16 years old... yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #9
I wrote the following on DU in August 2012. I think it's all still applicable. HeiressofBickworth Oct 2014 #11
ok- yea I understand there are some anomolies yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #18
No, it's not only democratic voters HeiressofBickworth Oct 2014 #23
Yet customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #47
Do you know that you have to "register" to vote and you obtain a voter registration card? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #54
Yes, they certainly want to tweak the allowable things their way customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #63
Do you think a lot of first generation immigrants fly a lot? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #61
In my job customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #65
"Questionable people"? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #66
You seem to measure things customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #68
Oh, you had me convinced at LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #69
If all you really have customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #70
My uncle was born at home -- no birth certificate--and served honorably during WWII mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #12
my parents were both born inthe 1920s yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #19
Digging holes and then disingenuously asking why so many people don't have a ladder to climb out LanternWaste Oct 2014 #36
"lets help them get a copy of it" HeiressofBickworth Oct 2014 #77
I was born at home as was the rest of us madokie Oct 2014 #25
I haven't shown my drivers license in years madokie Oct 2014 #13
can you give me the acct numbers for your four yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #22
I haven' t shown my ID card in years to anyone period madokie Oct 2014 #24
your pin number is a form of id yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #28
PIN tells the system you are authorized to use that account. If I ever get pulled over by police, uppityperson Oct 2014 #40
Well next time you travel...maybe on an airplane out of state yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #73
Next time you travel, fly "out of state", just give them your bankcard PIN for ID uppityperson Oct 2014 #74
Birth certificates can be more difficult to get than you realize gollygee Oct 2014 #14
i am aware of that yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #20
The third wouldn't open, but the first two did not say a birth cert was necessary gollygee Oct 2014 #26
ID is requirted for all the benefits--thats my point yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #27
And that was a GOP idea. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #33
Do you honestly think we should be paying out government benefits without ID? joeglow3 Oct 2014 #35
Yes, I do. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #38
I take you have not had your SSN stolen joeglow3 Oct 2014 #41
I'm sorry for his problems, but anecdotes of theft alone aren't reason to make public policy. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #43
I disagree. I want to show my ID before collecting benefits joeglow3 Oct 2014 #71
You're free to show your ID if that makes you feel safe. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #79
Why do you think stealing credit cards is such a lucrative business? joeglow3 Oct 2014 #81
Because the cards don't have microchips for authentication? Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #82
Checks. Medicare fraud. Medicaid fraud. Social Security fraud. Disability fraud. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #83
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #75
I'd support changing this country's obsession w/ owning firearms for the purpose of shooting others. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #80
So you agree with the republicans? Kingofalldems Oct 2014 #49
From your first link gollygee Oct 2014 #67
. . . Triana Oct 2014 #17
"The repub motivation is they think half the democratic votes are fictitious" LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #30
There will never be massive voter fraud discovered in the U.S. It just doesn't happen. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #31
Wouldn't the repeal of an unnecessary law with obvious intent simply render your question moot? LanternWaste Oct 2014 #34
I have to ask. Are you a republican? Kingofalldems Oct 2014 #48
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #76
The long term rethug playbook is voter suppression and dark money. Otherwise, they got nothing. kairos12 Oct 2014 #10
Bingo. n/t Triana Oct 2014 #39
MHP show yesterday discussing this issue with a panel scarletlib Oct 2014 #15
It's a solution in search of a problem. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #32
K&R! nt Mnemosyne Oct 2014 #16
A Rethug I know would agree Dirty Socialist Oct 2014 #21
R#40 & K nt UTUSN Oct 2014 #37
ID vs. state issued photo ID loyalsister Oct 2014 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #78
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