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Dreamer Tatum

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16. We aren't talking about HCA.

Wed Oct 8, 2014, 10:44 PM

Oct 2014

We're talking about a specific claim that you insist is true because you say so.

Show me the data. Show me that white, insured people at that hospital with those symptoms are given extensive tests or are admitted. Because that would be the standard of proof required for this to elevate above the level of bullshit.

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Dallas County Commissioner says race and no insurance are why Duncan was sent away by hospital [View all] pnwmom Oct 2014 OP

Obamacare for a similar ER patient may well have prevented further contagion, that is a fact of Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #1

Now, that's a message. Maybe a bumper sticker. targetpractice Oct 2014 #69

Let's see your data, Commissioner. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #2

You don't think his lack of insurance affected his treatment? Of course it did. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #3

No. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #7

Hospitals have a huge financial incentive not to take patients who can't pay. pnwmom Oct 2014 #8

Ridiculous. They couldn't turn him away by law. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #14

Yes, they can, as long as they do a "screening." pnwmom Oct 2014 #15

Separate argument. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #17

His lack of insurance could have kept them from running tests that would have given the diagnosis. pnwmom Oct 2014 #19

OK, then show me the hospital's protocols Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #22

How 'bout my experience as an insured white person? jeff47 Oct 2014 #31

Great. Now show me the black man who had those same symptoms Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #38

If you'd bother to read instead of desperately deflect jeff47 Oct 2014 #40

Good on you. Now show me that disparate treatment, OK? Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #45

The disparate treatment was done TO ME. jeff47 Oct 2014 #90

personal experience with Presbyterian 7wo7rees Oct 2014 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author 7wo7rees Oct 2014 #83

Nurse in Spain worked with two Ebola patients. LisaL Oct 2014 #37

That he told them Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #86

I'd bet you got pretty good insurance, huh? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #55

Cool story. Don't see the relevance. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #59

Only because you choose not to see. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #63

I believe in analytical thinking, no matter how inconvenient it may be. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #66

Nope. 840high Oct 2014 #32

if you care to, you can see the proof daily noiretextatique Oct 2014 #12

Because you just know. Oooh. nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #25

yes...i know ameriKKKa is a racist cesspool noiretextatique Oct 2014 #27

Hah. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #28

Where's your sarcasm thingy?? moonbeam23 Oct 2014 #34

You should take anything and everything Price says with a huge grain of salt. n/t tammywammy Oct 2014 #4

I think it's likely Duncan's lack of insurance had an effect on his treatment, or lack thereof. pnwmom Oct 2014 #5

that's fine that you think that. tammywammy Oct 2014 #9

That's certainly productive. Throd Oct 2014 #6

"I'm visiting from Liberia" Barack_America Oct 2014 #10

they knowingly sent an ebola man home with a check up, antibiotic (misdiagnosis, not non treatement) seabeyond Oct 2014 #11

There will never be proof. But when there is a financial incentive to deny treatment, pnwmom Oct 2014 #13

We aren't talking about HCA. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #16

If a white, insured person had turned up there insisting that he'd recently been to LIBERIA, pnwmom Oct 2014 #18

You're changing the argument. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #20

Since he told them twice that he came from Liberia, they should have SUSPECTED Ebola. pnwmom Oct 2014 #47

You are implying they suspected ebola and sent him away due to lack of insurance and race. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #50

No, I'm not. I'm saying they didn't dig deeply because their mission was to get him out. pnwmom Oct 2014 #52

Because he wasn't symptomatic enough. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #54

The commissioner mentioned race, but I've been focusing on the lack of insurance. pnwmom Oct 2014 #58

I'm sure they are. Please present evidence that the one(s) who saw Duncan are racist. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #61

These doctors never saw a case of Ebola before. LisaL Oct 2014 #43

Yes, because in the racism narrative Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #48

I don't think they consciously suspected he had Ebola. I think they could have been motivated pnwmom Oct 2014 #49

What motivated the ones in Spain to not test the nurse for Ebola? LisaL Oct 2014 #53

Stupidity. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #68

Why not racism? nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #75

She was white and so were the staff who turned her away. So where would the racism be? n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #77

Boy you sure do know a lot. nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #78

well you saying it isn't so, doesn't make it not true either. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #62

Well that settles it. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #64

show me the evidence notadmblnd Oct 2014 #65

The burden of proof is not on me. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #67

However, you are making a claim too. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #72

No, I'm not. I'm challenging a claim. nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #74

you're awful touchy on this subject notadmblnd Oct 2014 #70

Oh, but we've now been assured repeatedly that it WAS because of race. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #73

I believe institutional racism is at the root of it. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #79

In other words, you got no specifics to back anything, but you just "know." Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #80

I guess all I can say is- back at ya notadmblnd Oct 2014 #81

I've seen this personally. They come out and ask questions, say one needs to be hospitalized... freshwest Oct 2014 #42

Thanks for the reality check. It's hard to believe that DUers are so trustful that people pnwmom Oct 2014 #51

No, they didn't know he had ebola yet. jeff47 Oct 2014 #33

here's a question notadmblnd Oct 2014 #76

They were hoping it was some random minor issue jeff47 Oct 2014 #89

No brainer. Anyone with no insurance, not just a black man. babylonsister Oct 2014 #21

Race and being poor as a reason to get kicked out of hospital? Who'da ever thunk it? Hoppy Oct 2014 #23

Kicked out? He was seen, treated, and was given meds. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #24

Treated, after his condition deteriorated. Hoppy Oct 2014 #29

Being seen and given meds = treated. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #30

he wasn't kicked out of the hospital notadmblnd Oct 2014 #82

and Dallas ready to prosecute him for getting sick. Guilty of getting sick while black. whereisjustice Oct 2014 #26

Seriously? LisaL Oct 2014 #36

sigh.... no, I didn't use the sarcasm thingy because never occured to me that whereisjustice Oct 2014 #39

You'd be surprised about what is posted and taken as being serious. Hoppy Oct 2014 #87

Someone told me about this yesterday. Thanks for posting this. freshwest Oct 2014 #46

The nurse in Spain wasn't admitted into the hospital for like a week. LisaL Oct 2014 #35

Still waiting for single payer... n/t Fearless Oct 2014 #41

+1, never forget when they told us "we'll fix it later" lol, it's the lie that protects the lie whereisjustice Oct 2014 #44

+1 Fearless Oct 2014 #60

I had tingling in my ear and right side of face which I attributed to my uncontrolled hypertension. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #56

Fomenting racial discord Aerows Oct 2014 #57

We people who "aren't posting from the other side" inferred that from day 1. nt valerief Oct 2014 #71

It's speculation, but seems likely to me. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #85

Likely that being uninsured contributed to misdiagnosis early on RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #88

This is the same issue as sick days for food service workers. We either care .... Scuba Oct 2014 #91

ahah--my feared "insurance issues will fuck us over in US over ebola" thing librechik Oct 2014 #92