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In reply to the discussion: How would you answer this test question? From a 1st grade Common Core test. [View all]Recursion
(56,582 posts)216. Which is why we need this taught at the elementary level
Way too much primary math education has been about "do these precise steps for a problem" rather than "learn to think about numbers". I like the direction math teaching is going from what I'm seeing in my tutoring.
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How would you answer this test question? From a 1st grade Common Core test. [View all]
madfloridian
Sep 2014
OP
Critical thinking is ambiguous, hence the test would have to be ambiguous, AND
orpupilofnature57
Sep 2014
#426
Actually, there are plenty of ways to study and teach critical thinking, creating thinking...
Sancho
Sep 2014
#435
Perspicacity is one descriptor, but not a theory based on observation, research, or measurement.
Sancho
Sep 2014
#437
Did you notice the young perky blonde teacher using the word "algorithm" to her
truedelphi
Sep 2014
#432
My guess would be B. Subtraction sentence? This isn't grammar, it's math. Common Core doesn't
Louisiana1976
Sep 2014
#2
Clearly, if one holds a open flame below possible answer D), answer E) "None of the above" appears.
xocet
Sep 2014
#277
Here are 2 pages of that test. States it is from Pearson. It is a practice page, test prep
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#373
Pearson is writing the whole damn test for many states. There should be no errors.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#386
Yes, they have their justifications -- but the bottom line is that there can be many poorly designed
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#405
Didn't watch the video, did you? Not a teacher or an educator either I presume.
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#406
I did that wayyyyy back in school, tried to teach my classmates and got in trouble with the teacher
uppityperson
Sep 2014
#20
MEANWHILE, EVERY OTHER SUBJECT ESCHEWS ACTUAL FACTS!! Irony, thy name is Common Core.
WinkyDink
Sep 2014
#33
This particular question is not testing whether students understand the concept
Ms. Toad
Sep 2014
#401
Your final sentence is better because the "correct" way is simply wrong. It's not a subtraction
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#271
Tell that to the districts and feds that keep calling what is old as new.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#399
That is old old math dressed up as new math. We taught that for years. Number families.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#245
Then why are you acting like "4 + 3 = 7" doesn't express a subtractive identity?
Recursion
Sep 2014
#223
About a third of the kids I've tutored (generally 8 - 10 years old) were taught to do that
Recursion
Sep 2014
#248
Hey, no problem. Education is important, and reading this thread has been very interesting. n/t
xocet
Sep 2014
#290
But how were the other groups of numbers not also part of the subtraction method?? -
truedelphi
Sep 2014
#434
Subtraction can be seen as a form of addition if you consider negative numbers
karynnj
Sep 2014
#385
First grade? (Must be the topics covered in April or May, well after everyone saw Spot run) . . .
Journeyman
Sep 2014
#6
people jumped down my throat for pointing out that Common Core math is funky
Man from Pickens
Sep 2014
#84
It's testing problem. By some company that is making millions of education.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#22
I expressly said I was not against standards, just the way they are tested.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#49
Where was the typo? What I saw was an awful, disastrous and confusing attempt to
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#104
I have read the subthread and see that two people, MF and Rocktivity got it right.
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#113
Are you trying to tell us that NCLB or Common Core is optional? Tell that to the teachers
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#221
The districts my kids have attended in do pre-tests in kindergarden, first, and second grades
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#250
I agree that this is all about profits for the testing corporations. Same with mass drug testing.n/t
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#210
Yes, exactly. Drug testing has made some people obscenely wealthy. As has NCLB/Common Core or
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#231
Yes, absolutely. Privatization of everything, education, SS, all of these programs
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#341
Not 'understand', memorize the 'rules'. That is not understanding math. It is worse than
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#73
Yes, yes indeed they would in fact be that proscriptive about illustration.
DeadLetterOffice
Sep 2014
#185
And yet, many DUers haven't heard it, and neither have those reference books
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#330
ONCE AGAIN, Common Core is ONLY about selling common text books to a mass market.
Atman
Sep 2014
#25
Do you not see how confusing this might be to a child who at some point in the future
chervilant
Sep 2014
#160
What I want to see in 15 years, though, is will these kids know if they get the right change back
DebJ
Sep 2014
#239
Whats absurd is the pretense that common core standards made this test question mandatory
Egnever
Sep 2014
#188
Subtraction is addition. In fact, addition of unknowns is a better way to do subtraction problems.
Recursion
Sep 2014
#205
OK, I'll say it: this looks to me like potentially quite a good approach to teaching.
Donald Ian Rankin
Sep 2014
#305
In some grades they will be taught straight math language and in other grades they start the brain..
Tikki
Sep 2014
#101
Except the same test, page 2, uses the standard definition for a subtraction sentence.
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#300
I was responding to the post asking how addition and subtraction could be conflated.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2014
#327
Watching the video I'm leaning towards a typo now too, though I've tutored kids who are taught
Recursion
Sep 2014
#238
Now that response is the best I ever heard. No correct answer, just make do. LOL
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#96
IDGI. Are we supposed to look at the bar and see 4 filled-in squares and 3 not, to get (C.)?
WinkyDink
Sep 2014
#31
and Gates Foundation had already screwed up with the untested New Schools Initiative
zazen
Sep 2014
#110
1st Grade? Do 1st graders even understand the words in the question and what the sentence actually
madinmaryland
Sep 2014
#38
Yes they do and if they don't, at least where I live, there is a tiered Kindergarten and an...
Tikki
Sep 2014
#184
If Noah built an ark 300 cubits by 50 cubits, how many dinosaurs would fit on the Promanade Deck?
Atman
Sep 2014
#39
Wow, this one really drew the supporters of "reform". Support anything madfloridian opposes.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#48
FYI...my kid is taught two strategies (at least) per math concept. It's a way
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#282
That's what I think many critics of Common Core get stuck on--at least, from the critiques
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#340
It asks which is "a related subtraction sentence", not "related to a relevant subtraction sentence"
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#153
I taught new math, old math, then new math again. Please do not talk down to me.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#99
It teaches them to realize that they must understand the specific jargon, and when new standards and
DebJ
Sep 2014
#242
I wasn't stumped by the equation. I was stumped by the phrasing of the question.
magical thyme
Sep 2014
#72
I think there's a grammatical problem. The phrase is suffering from a modifier traffic jam
RufusTFirefly
Sep 2014
#147
Whoever gave 5th rec...thanks. But now I am in the wrong for saying the item is faulty.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#60
Then they are wrong. This test insures that kids do NOT know the difference which must be the goal.
Kablooie
Sep 2014
#70
Amazing. I am wrong. 2nd graders are wrong. Yet there is still no minus sign.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#93
Just shows that your kids are smarter than the people who devised the common core test.
Kablooie
Sep 2014
#119
And of course they have done extensive work with small numbers in first grade????
DebJ
Sep 2014
#257
Yeah, a lot of people seem to forget this is a question for first graders...n/t
BuelahWitch
Sep 2014
#392
Yes, there should be standards, but the common core is proving to be an overreach. Plain and simple.
RBInMaine
Sep 2014
#77
Exactly! BECAUSE IT IS ON THE TEST. Not because it is helpful to them, or necessary to learn,
DebJ
Sep 2014
#260
As a first grader, I couldn't because of the too-advanced 'tricks and traps' language. BAD question.
ancianita
Sep 2014
#111
Crazy, isn't it? Almost like people have a vested interest in encouraging a state of constant panic
Recursion
Sep 2014
#284
You are right that schools are doing a better job over the last few decades. But...
Sancho
Sep 2014
#329
"Beth's problem is that she thinks playing cowbell is an acceptable role in a rock band..."
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#318
Oh and high school kids are taking college courses before they even finish high school
sammytko
Sep 2014
#395
That was a beautiful arrangement: to teach the same group of kids for four years! Perfect!
DebJ
Sep 2014
#368
One of the fascinating things about this example is that it ignores what we know about children!
Sancho
Sep 2014
#129
Amen! And assuming knowledgable experienced teachers will be in charter schools....Ha!
DebJ
Sep 2014
#265
Ok I finally showed it to my kindergartener, though she can't read all that well
gollygee
Sep 2014
#168
You've caught the problem perfectly...education has changed, and for the better.
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#187
I haven't seen nearly as many complaints about education as I saw 20 years ago.
gollygee
Sep 2014
#431
Yes! Standardized tests can be hell for people capable of divergent thinking. n/t
RufusTFirefly
Sep 2014
#157
Tony the Tiger was a question's subject on my sophomore child's common core test!
Dont call me Shirley
Sep 2014
#155
Obviously what the kids were taught makes a huge difference in whether this is a good question
Recursion
Sep 2014
#222
She seems to be right, and the question made a mistake by putting subtraction instead of addition
Chathamization
Sep 2014
#229
I didn't associate the blocks with the question at all. My bad, I guess... n/t
TygrBright
Sep 2014
#235
Nope. Got no connection at all between the blobby line of squares and the math question. n/t
TygrBright
Sep 2014
#273
First, they're looking for addition; second, an ivory tower wonk wrote the question
Warpy
Sep 2014
#164
It works out better for some people if the parents aren't able to help their children.
DebJ
Sep 2014
#287
Again, what's old is new. We had manipulatives for quadratic equations in 1982 as 2nd-graders
Recursion
Sep 2014
#208
So there was an error on a single test somewhere in America. Hell, there are probable other errors
Chathamization
Sep 2014
#196
They asked for a subtraction problem. There is not one. It's misleading and just plain wrong.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#278
The question tests understanding that a problem can be seen more than one way.
LeftyMom
Sep 2014
#286
I taught these methods for over 30 years. These are first graders, concrete thinkers.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#291
interesting- it reminded me of using an abacus, which I needed to in order to grasp math.
bettyellen
Sep 2014
#293
Tell me about it- I lost $ 9.05 in poker last night. My cash out of $1.95 reveals I had originally
bettyellen
Sep 2014
#295
Now picture the unfortunate first grader exposed to a test full of this idiocy. n/t
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#274
And think about all the ESL kids who thought they at least could do math problems
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#372
You also have to understand that "cookies and milk" might be culturally loaded...
Sancho
Sep 2014
#332
Kids deserve the highest quality work in tests like this, since they're being used
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#346
Not all standardized tests are graded by computers anymore, especially common core tests.
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#351
New ways of teaching, learning, explaining, and illustrating ideas are as old as Socrates....
Sancho
Sep 2014
#364
"Just because you don't get it doesn't mean people are getting "tricked". LOL"
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#423
wow. I can't believe how blindly people will follow Obama's policies.
liberal_at_heart
Sep 2014
#421
The OP makes it clear I was a teacher. But I still got talked down to all through the thread.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#424
education clearly is no where on the radar screen of democrats which is a deal breaker for me.
liberal_at_heart
Sep 2014
#425
socialists do. And don't give me that if I vote for a socialist I guarantee a republican wins crap.
liberal_at_heart
Sep 2014
#428
FDR was a socialist, and Bush wasn't a fascist, Sure . And thank socialists
orpupilofnature57
Sep 2014
#429
I wonder why half the people replying simply cannot fathom a test question being incorrect?
Rex
Sep 2014
#441
The standards are part of the problem. The whole system is the problem. Did you see
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2014
#446