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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
124. Political consideration concerns aside, who would I want for a political leader?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:47 PM
Aug 2014

I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just trying to show you the problems with the question you pose.

I think Hillary would be a better President. I dont think Bernie would get much of anything through congress. I think Hillary would get more through than he would/could.

I think Bernie's entire Presidency would be marginalized inside of 60 days.

I think some on DU have this mistaken idea that being President is about having the most perfect policy positions. If that was all there was to it, many DUers would make great Presidents.

Being President is as much about assembling a governing coalition in the people and in congress to move your agenda forward as it is having the right policy positions. That is actually true of mayors and governors as well. If folks are not lining up already behind someone thinking of running for President in the things they are doing and have been doing, that's a bad sign. Kucinich got very little passed in congress. That was a bad sign. Does Bernie seem to have a ton of people lining up behind him in the senate?

It doesnt seem so. Again, that is a very bad sign in terms of someone's abilities to assemble and maintain a governing coalition.

Clinton. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #1
Sanders PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #2
Sanders. earthside Aug 2014 #3
It's not reasoning. It's corporate propaganda. woo me with science Aug 2014 #13
being pushed by Third Way sycophants who benefit from the status quo. nt antigop Aug 2014 #46
Sanders. djean111 Aug 2014 #4
Sanders onecaliberal Aug 2014 #8
Clinton. name not needed Aug 2014 #5
Sanders el_bryanto Aug 2014 #6
Thanks for the comments so far. ClarkJonathanKent Aug 2014 #7
Hillary. Little Star Aug 2014 #9
Clinton Stallion Aug 2014 #12
Sanders, he is a progressive and he is not a foreign policy neocon - even a slightly mild version Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #10
Somehow I can't separate "a possibility of winning" from your choices. Therefore: HRC. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #11
Do you like Clinton's statements about supporting the rebels in Syria? JDPriestly Aug 2014 #19
In hindsight, yes. Little Star Aug 2014 #21
Had we done that, the arms we gave our friendly rebels would most likely be in the hands JDPriestly Aug 2014 #30
Except that, because he is very patient, Obama can wait until hindsight givew him the JDPriestly Aug 2014 #116
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it. You hate Hillary. Little Star Aug 2014 #141
No. I don't hate her. I just don't want her to be president. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #173
What I LIKE is so far unelectable, it ain't funny. Like Fred Harris unelectable. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #183
Pretty much, 2016 is a cakewalk coronation much the way 2012 was. Chan790 Aug 2014 #60
Bernie Sanders Populist_Prole Aug 2014 #14
Sanders. AtomicKitten Aug 2014 #15
Sanders. Thanks for asking. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #16
They'll stomp all over him. Jimmy Carter was humble. juajen Aug 2014 #44
Hillary Clinton will result in a Republican victory unless the Republicans nominate someone JDPriestly Aug 2014 #110
Having seen Bernie at town halls, I seriously doubt that anyone will "stomp all over him" karynnj Aug 2014 #127
Sanders peacebird Aug 2014 #17
Sanders hands down on point Aug 2014 #18
Sanders, without hesitation. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2014 #20
Sanders. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #22
Clinters DFW Aug 2014 #23
I've been searching for a new FDR for about 25 years. amandabeech Aug 2014 #25
Bernie would be the only guy our Forefathers and FDR would Vote for . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #29
I don't know about our forefathers. Some of them were conservative. amandabeech Aug 2014 #32
Ya your right , Alexander would have hated him . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #65
There's no savior of ANY party in sight DFW Aug 2014 #57
You're right about the money problem. amandabeech Aug 2014 #64
True enough DFW Aug 2014 #68
Which is why I will hold my nose and pull the D lever in 2016 amandabeech Aug 2014 #71
That's the difference, though DFW Aug 2014 #194
Touche'! amandabeech Aug 2014 #195
Perhaps we could hear that from Dr. Dean. She's tough enough! juajen Aug 2014 #45
I DID hear that from Howard DFW Aug 2014 #53
If Bill weren't there backing her up, I wonder if she would be thinking, amandabeech Aug 2014 #69
Bill is 68 DFW Aug 2014 #77
Yeah, I'm not sure if she will start, either. amandabeech Aug 2014 #82
You'd think she'd treasure the last few years with him. Divernan Aug 2014 #126
Somehow, I think that Bill wants to go down with his boots on, amandabeech Aug 2014 #129
Quite possible. Divernan Aug 2014 #132
No, he was careful with his diet before he became vegan DFW Aug 2014 #175
What the Clintons want is to hang with the One Percenters Divernan Aug 2014 #80
That's only looking at things from one single angle, though. DFW Aug 2014 #179
Bill never learned to operate a charity efficiently-witness $multimillion defecits for multiple yrs. Divernan Aug 2014 #188
Sanders. amandabeech Aug 2014 #24
Let me think about it for a se,,,, Bernie !!!!! orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #26
Sanders salib Aug 2014 #27
Sanders ballyhoo Aug 2014 #28
Sanders PADemD Aug 2014 #31
Sanders. jwirr Aug 2014 #33
There needs to be a third option. Sanders is probably too lib and Clinton is too guarded. craigmatic Aug 2014 #34
He's an ' Enemy of the People ' in the Henrik Ibsen sense of the word . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #81
Clinton juajen Aug 2014 #35
Sanders-He Talks fredamae Aug 2014 #36
Sanders, no question. LittleBlue Aug 2014 #37
Sanders, easily. Chan790 Aug 2014 #38
Senator Sanders. 99Forever Aug 2014 #39
Clinton....Sanders is not a Democrat. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #40
Agree, don't think Sanders has a chance in the DNC since he is an Independent, maybe Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #42
Clinton, easlly, hands down. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #41
Sanders demmiblue Aug 2014 #43
Bernie Sanders. Laelth Aug 2014 #47
My preference is the Dem who seems most likely to win the general. pnwmom Aug 2014 #48
Neither. BlueStater Aug 2014 #49
Bernie Sanders... Stellar Aug 2014 #50
Clinton. n/t. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #51
Neither of them are running for President in 2014. So neither. tridim Aug 2014 #52
:) Cha Aug 2014 #177
a) Sanders b) anyone but HRC regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #54
Sanders, and it isn't close. hifiguy Aug 2014 #55
Sanders!!! sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #56
Sanders (nt) bigwillq Aug 2014 #58
Sanders, thank you. PDJane Aug 2014 #59
Sanders Phlem Aug 2014 #61
Sanders and it isn't close. I'd only vote Clinton in a primary to steer the party TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #62
Since Sanders would obviously go down in flames BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #63
Just on the issues Sanders by a wide margin. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #66
Sanders. Vinca Aug 2014 #67
sanders 840high Aug 2014 #70
Sanders...hands down TheNutcracker Aug 2014 #72
Sanders. nm ThePhilosopher04 Aug 2014 #73
Sanders. Iron Man Aug 2014 #74
HRC as I am a Democrat and not a Socialist agbdf Aug 2014 #75
By the looks of this thread PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #79
I couldn't disagree more. agbdf Aug 2014 #83
"Socialists" is 3rd wayers' dismissive code word for progressive Democrats Divernan Aug 2014 #85
HRC is a progressive Democrat. So am I. agbdf Aug 2014 #89
BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA. woo me with science Aug 2014 #118
The other hysterical spin is that HRC is a "populist leaning liberal" Divernan Aug 2014 #128
Bwah. I think some are desperately trying to use Orwell as a manual, woo me with science Aug 2014 #133
Which "socialist" position do you believe Sanders holds that is contrary to Democratic policy? n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #90
It's not Capitalist Underground either. Nor is it , Catholic, Vegan, or Feminist Underground. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #91
Just like you undoubtedly took Nader over Gore? agbdf Aug 2014 #95
Gore gave us Bush. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #101
This country is turning fascist under corporate Democrats and Republicans. woo me with science Aug 2014 #103
President Obama disavows socialism; is he too a corporate Democrat? agbdf Aug 2014 #107
Of course he's a corporate Democrat. woo me with science Aug 2014 #113
You think LBJ, Kennedy and Carter were socialists. agbdf Aug 2014 #120
Here's what my President says about socialism... agbdf Aug 2014 #114
I don't think many here are buying... malokvale77 Aug 2014 #171
First choice: Sanders; 2nd choice: Anybody but Hillary. Divernan Aug 2014 #84
In case you had not heard sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #87
"Radical leftist fringe" Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #151
Let's see...a Socialist vs a 3rd Way/DLC/New Democrat/NeoLib who backed Bush's wars.... Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #76
Sanders - Without Reservation cantbeserious Aug 2014 #78
Sanders. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #86
Clinton rock Aug 2014 #88
Sanders, Warren, or Grayson. a la izquierda Aug 2014 #92
Sanders. toby jo Aug 2014 #93
Sanders rudolph the red Aug 2014 #94
And that distance is getting shorter by the month! Divernan Aug 2014 #123
Indeed rudolph the red Aug 2014 #125
Sanders. LWolf Aug 2014 #96
Sanders. woo me with science Aug 2014 #97
Sanders. nt NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #98
Sanders Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #99
Sanders hands down Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #100
How could the man without a party win anything? CK_John Aug 2014 #102
Sanders ain't a Dem and Clinton ain't running. Iggo Aug 2014 #104
Sanders. He's much more LibDemAlways Aug 2014 #105
Sanders... ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #106
Clinton Throd Aug 2014 #108
The one who... highmindedhavi Aug 2014 #109
BERNIE! BERNIE! cornball 24 Aug 2014 #111
Sanders all the way. Liberal_from_va34 Aug 2014 #112
Sanders elleng Aug 2014 #115
Sanders Liberalynn Aug 2014 #117
Sanders. n/t Yo_Mama Aug 2014 #119
Not Hillary. We need a president who is not a Reaganite. immoderate Aug 2014 #121
Sanders Thirties Child Aug 2014 #122
Political consideration concerns aside, who would I want for a political leader? stevenleser Aug 2014 #124
Political considerations cannot be put aside - they determine the agenda. Divernan Aug 2014 #130
The ability to pass "bad" policy is not a good thing. malokvale77 Aug 2014 #145
Of course. And? nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #165
Obvious is obvious malokvale77 Aug 2014 #172
Lynn Forester Rothschild Boreal Aug 2014 #184
That's why, in the long run, I don't think HRC will run. Divernan Aug 2014 #198
Bingo malokvale77 Aug 2014 #199
I would choose Clinton... TeeYiYi Aug 2014 #131
Bernie Sanders SamKnause Aug 2014 #134
Sanders. n/t onyourleft Aug 2014 #135
You can't make that decision free of "all other concerns" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #136
I know, this question reads like, well, if I could skate as well as an NHL star, and could handle stevenleser Aug 2014 #139
...an excellent point. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #149
sanders but my FIRST CHOICE is BIDEN underthematrix Aug 2014 #137
Sanders all day Vincardog Aug 2014 #138
Sanders! OilemFirchen Aug 2014 #140
Sanders. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #142
Sanders malokvale77 Aug 2014 #143
Sanders. Will NOT vote for Clinton kath Aug 2014 #144
Sanders n/t LiberalElite Aug 2014 #146
Bernie Sanders MissDeeds Aug 2014 #147
Sanders Pastiche423 Aug 2014 #148
Sanders, of course Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #150
Sanders Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #152
I'd say welcome to DU, but I see you've been here for four years now. MADem Aug 2014 #153
Clinton Shivering Jemmy Aug 2014 #154
Sanders. Takket Aug 2014 #155
Clinton get the red out Aug 2014 #156
sanders! wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #157
Saunders without a doubt! rainy Aug 2014 #158
Sanders. n/t ms liberty Aug 2014 #159
Sanders. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #160
Thanks for all the responses. ClarkJonathanKent Aug 2014 #161
Sanders Sienna86 Aug 2014 #162
Sanders. Hands Down. Grey Aug 2014 #163
Sanders. pacalo Aug 2014 #164
Sanders. I will not vote for Clinton. nt magical thyme Aug 2014 #166
Sander by a wiiiiiiiiide margin. JEB Aug 2014 #167
Souldn't you have a poll in your header? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #168
Sanders 90-percent Aug 2014 #169
Neither loyalsister Aug 2014 #170
Sanders philly_bob Aug 2014 #174
Sanders PFunk Aug 2014 #176
3 or 4 months ago it would have been Hillary.. Now.. Cha Aug 2014 #178
Clinton, becase I'd like to see another Democrat in the White House. Metric System Aug 2014 #180
Clinton. nsd Aug 2014 #181
Sanders hands down* Joe Shlabotnik Aug 2014 #182
Sanders. area51 Aug 2014 #185
I prefer Sanders betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #186
Either one would be preferable to a Republican candidate jambo101 Aug 2014 #187
Sanders. nt ladjf Aug 2014 #189
Sanders. nt City Lights Aug 2014 #190
All other concerns aside, I prefer beer but I'll drink wine and enjoy that too. pampango Aug 2014 #191
Sanders. But "all other things being equal" is a pipe dream. Orsino Aug 2014 #192
All other concerns aside....Sanders. nt. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #193
Bernie KamaAina Aug 2014 #196
Sanders. Clinton can be VP and return to sitting in the Senate. ancianita Aug 2014 #197
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