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hack89

(39,171 posts)
23. No - the money needs to go to education, heath, housing, social safety networks.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 03:56 PM
Apr 2012

artist do not deserve anything more or anything less then every other American.

Should artists be paid a living wage? [View all] Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 OP
Out of Thomas Kinkaide's estate?? izquierdista Apr 2012 #1
That's an interesting question el_bryanto Apr 2012 #2
No hack89 Apr 2012 #3
How many great artists of various types were popular in their day? libtodeath Apr 2012 #11
How many more absolutely lousy artists were there that really needed a career change? hack89 Apr 2012 #16
We can afford it. But we would rather kill people instead. Cobalt Violet Apr 2012 #18
Well said! libtodeath Apr 2012 #19
No - the money needs to go to education, heath, housing, social safety networks. hack89 Apr 2012 #23
We can afford all that too! We're not a poor country. Cobalt Violet Apr 2012 #29
You contradicted yourself. Trillo Apr 2012 #62
By that I mean the present system of federal, state and local grants to arts groups hack89 Apr 2012 #64
If we had a strong social safety net, we'd have more artists. hunter Apr 2012 #101
And if worms carried .45's the birds wouldn't fuck with them. hack89 Apr 2012 #106
You put it in the big picture marions ghost Apr 2012 #113
Me too. CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #25
So if I label myself an artist, the government should pay me a living wage aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #74
I don't think it right that actual artists should suffer because of a few dishonest folks like you. Cobalt Violet Apr 2012 #79
Of course they would aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #102
Yes. If Adolf Hitler had been paid, he might've stayed out of politics. nt raccoon Apr 2012 #4
Hitler might have been another Thomas Kinkade! hunter Apr 2012 #50
Sounds like a good idea for an alternate history! nt raccoon Apr 2012 #83
No JustAnotherGen Apr 2012 #5
I'm not sure from what this discussion stems... vi5 Apr 2012 #6
+1 MadrasT Apr 2012 #20
I should have also added.... vi5 Apr 2012 #48
Subsidizing sports stadiums is somewhat a transanction on an open market JonLP24 Apr 2012 #85
No. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #7
I think the notion that creativity needs to be sacrificed for the sake of a "job" is sad libtodeath Apr 2012 #8
LOL snooper2 Apr 2012 #9
Laugh at FDR then libtodeath Apr 2012 #15
well put. A healthy, well-rounded society would do this. villager Apr 2012 #26
I think what you and possibly FDR are missing is that most people are assholes el_bryanto Apr 2012 #28
what should that basic amount be? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #59
Most people will choose to contribute by sitting in front of the television. Codeine Apr 2012 #81
"...let everyone pursue how best they can fill the needs and desire of society" OneTenthofOnePercent Apr 2012 #120
Everybody should be paid a living wage. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #10
So if I've got a decent amount saved up, can I then become an "artist" so I can get the essentials dkf Apr 2012 #53
Yes, if they work hard to sell it. cbdo2007 Apr 2012 #12
Most artists have 'real' jobs to supplement their meager income closeupready Apr 2012 #13
Personally, I would just like the economy to be healthy NV Whino Apr 2012 #14
Depends, who do they work for ... no? JoePhilly Apr 2012 #17
Actually, there are official qualifications and certifications. rrneck Apr 2012 #21
My father was an artist, and he held none of those classifications. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #66
That "something else" is at the heart of it, isnt it? rrneck Apr 2012 #69
This in an excellent example of why critical thinking should be taught in school... TalkingDog Apr 2012 #30
I visited MOMA in NYC a year or two ago with my wife... LOL! OneTenthofOnePercent Apr 2012 #123
Everyone should be guaranteed what they need to survive killbotfactory Apr 2012 #22
Yes Cobalt Violet Apr 2012 #24
They are in other countries and other cultures. Of course those places provide a social safety net. TalkingDog Apr 2012 #27
I don't see anything about a living wage in any of those links. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #88
No, because anyone can call themselves an "artist". Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #31
Depends on the artist's talent, training and work ethic Freddie Stubbs Apr 2012 #32
Every artist has to decide how much of the marketplace s/he will allow into the studio. rrneck Apr 2012 #33
Impractical, but we should definitely bring back NEA grants to individual artists frazzled Apr 2012 #34
How much should the grants be? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #89
Everyone should be paid a living wage. Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #35
Not necessarily, BUT SoCalDem Apr 2012 #36
Interesting question. One time, MineralMan Apr 2012 #37
If an artist, artisan, brick layer, dentist, hair stylist, etc. cannot support themselves with their Opportunityknocks Apr 2012 #38
They are part of "everyone" so I'm going with yes. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #39
If they are just getting a living wage I'd say they need new representation.... Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #40
Most artists I know, the ones that stay with it and become successful, make a lot more money Cleita Apr 2012 #41
The day we do, I'm quitting my job to become an artist Taitertots Apr 2012 #42
fdr did and around her we still have the post office murals that were painted in the 30s.. madrchsod Apr 2012 #43
Our post office too! I love it that we have that mural! CTyankee Apr 2012 #47
There was a group of painters known as the Florida Highwaymen who did paintings of Opportunityknocks Apr 2012 #61
Sure same as everybody else should. Artists are a special breed, I know many, mostly musicians, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #44
Should an original poster respond to replies to a ridiculous proposition? Lint Head Apr 2012 #45
not when he's out looking for an obscure car part all day Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #58
Why not? Look at what FDR did: CTyankee Apr 2012 #46
I'm not sure that "wage" is the proper measure onenote Apr 2012 #49
Ain't that the damn truth guitar man Apr 2012 #75
It worked during the Great Depression. hunter Apr 2012 #51
fat chance kpete Apr 2012 #52
Fine artists should be paid based on what their talent produces - lynne Apr 2012 #54
Everyone should be guaranteed the minimum needed to sustain their lives CreekDog Apr 2012 #55
Bingo. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #72
Of course ... surrealAmerican Apr 2012 #56
Yes, my music should be subsidized. MrSlayer Apr 2012 #57
I would say yes. It's kind of sad really. Artists are among the most Proles Apr 2012 #60
This guy did a Groupon and ended up selling about 1,000 drawings of cats! IndyJones Apr 2012 #63
Paid by who? aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #65
In 1987, some "artist" dropped a crucifix in a jar of urine and photograped it badtoworse Apr 2012 #67
So, you would live in a world where market value is the sole determinant of art? Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #77
I would live in a world where market value should be the determinant of what an artist is paid. badtoworse Apr 2012 #84
Your idea would mean the world would never have known the beauty of Van Gogh, as just one example. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #91
If your art isn't good enough for you to make a living on your own,... badtoworse Apr 2012 #94
Was Van Gogh paid a living wage by the government? aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #103
No he wasn't. He was, thankfully, sustained by his brother who also didn't like his work. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #104
No I got that you were trying to create a strawman aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #105
Got it, government bad, bootstraps good. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #107
Where are you going with this? aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #109
So, are you saying you'd get rid of the NEA? geardaddy Apr 2012 #112
I am saying that I don't think the government should decide what is art aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #118
So, would you, if you were in gov't, advocate the closing of the NEA. geardaddy Apr 2012 #121
You forgot a comma aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #122
Yes, I forgot a comma. geardaddy Apr 2012 #124
It's not a little program. I think Adam Smith created a brilliant system that taken in whole works, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #115
I believe in equal pay for equal work aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #117
How are you going to define equal work? It's relative. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #126
My point exactly aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #127
I think this would be an excellent topic to discuss further. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #129
Yikes, this sounds like right-wing drivel from 1993 frazzled Apr 2012 #130
So why don't you explain what makes it so artistic badtoworse Apr 2012 #131
Why is it OK to judge one person's profession and not another's? ecstatic Apr 2012 #68
For emplyed or self-employed artists? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #86
Thank you! Cobalt Violet Apr 2012 #111
By whom? nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #70
Yes, if they are an employee. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #71
Kinkade was a "real artist"... GReedDiamond Apr 2012 #73
You seem like as interesting person. I have 2 questions for you, if you are willing. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #76
Response... GReedDiamond Apr 2012 #92
Thanks. Did you know that The Constitution specifies the power to Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #96
I said that I support govt funding... GReedDiamond Apr 2012 #97
No, and I am an artist quaker bill Apr 2012 #78
Artists should be paid for what ever they can sell JonLP24 Apr 2012 #80
I am an artist. Everyday, all day, I create beauty. babydollhead Apr 2012 #82
Fantastic stuff you have, there IDemo Apr 2012 #95
thank you! babydollhead Apr 2012 #100
Should everybody be paid a living wage? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #87
Being an artist is a calling... WCGreen Apr 2012 #90
...is answered and addressed in this context I think LanternWaste Apr 2012 #93
Artists can claim exemption from income tax in the Rep. of Ireland geardaddy Apr 2012 #110
That's it right there. Thank you. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #116
Beat Plowshares into Paint Brushes? One_Life_To_Give Apr 2012 #98
Yes, but they are small business owners in essence. aikoaiko Apr 2012 #99
Artists are paid a living wage, if they choose to do commercial work. Marr Apr 2012 #108
My dad is an artist. His career was teaching. hunter Apr 2012 #128
Yes--everyone should be paid a living wage. Puregonzo1188 Apr 2012 #114
No... by whom would they be paid? OneTenthofOnePercent Apr 2012 #119
Yes. guardian Apr 2012 #125
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