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Akira Watts

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119. Moral authority

Reply to frazzled (Reply #113)

Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:10 PM

Aug 2014

Probably slightly more useful to talk about the president's moral authority, or lack thereof. But that's just me.

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The Dumpster Fire of Obama's Moral Authority [View all] WilliamPitt Aug 2014 OP

. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #1

Somehow I doubt you read that article in a minute. nt Union Scribe Aug 2014 #3

He's paid by the hour. Marr Aug 2014 #12

. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #25

Look. another penny. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2014 #37

. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #52

ka-CHING! pa28 Aug 2014 #108

And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Aug 2014 #300

Because accusing a DUer of being a paid shill makes you look good? mythology Aug 2014 #272

But kneejerk dismissals of critical articles, posted clearly without having read them... Marr Aug 2014 #302

How do you know the person didn't read it prior to coming here? davidpdx Aug 2014 #361

No comment, no justification, just "I don't like this." mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #19

A thumbs down means the president thinks torture is OK? Give me a break! Maraya1969 Aug 2014 #32

"A thumbs down means the president thinks torture is OK?" mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #44

Nuremberg was different. Everyone wan't the trial. With Bush, Cheney et al there would be plenty Maraya1969 Aug 2014 #351

So your argument now is that it would be hard? mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #354

I agree. There are leaps of logic in the OP that are unacceptable. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #46

of course it does. he hasn't prosecuted anyone for anything. Silence means agreement. roguevalley Aug 2014 #118

He called the torturers "patriots" and those who want prosecution of said torturers "sanctimonious" cui bono Aug 2014 #149

Well said. Some are apologizing for the President apologizing for torture. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #185

Oh please post the exact quote from Obama. I really want to see it. Maraya1969 Aug 2014 #352

Then you'll be excited to see this video of him saying it himself: cui bono Aug 2014 #353

So where in any of that did are these words you just attributed to him, "He called the torturers " Maraya1969 Aug 2014 #355

Oh, sorry. I don't know how, but somehow I thought you were talking about him likening himself cui bono Aug 2014 #356

He said, "A lot" not "The torturers" And the quote about torture said we did a lot of things right Maraya1969 Aug 2014 #358

Yes, that's exactly who he was talking about. That was the subject at hand. Torture. cui bono Aug 2014 #359

The President just said that we "tortured folks". Mojorabbit Aug 2014 #183

Give you a break? For defending the President who seems determined to give Dick Cheney the medal rhett o rick Aug 2014 #184

Too afraid to not torture. Too afraid to prosecute. Fear seems a powerful motivator Ed Suspicious Aug 2014 #288

Great satire! WinkyDink Aug 2014 #259

no Skittles Aug 2014 #45

Yes, it is sheer hypocricy mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #49

alas, it is not just a Democratic president Skittles Aug 2014 #54

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #20

in other words stupidicus Aug 2014 #31

I like that. I hope you don't mind if I use something similar. With regard the sad sniping by those rhett o rick Aug 2014 #310

thanks, and use away rick stupidicus Aug 2014 #336

Down with the Constitution and up with War Crimes? Is that what you intended to sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #122

Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld and all the rest didn't torture because they were scared WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2014 #208

If you're asking me to 'stop all this nonsense' you don't have to. I KNOW why Cheney/Bush/ sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #266

Well they certainly didn't torture because they were patriots. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #284

Wow! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #283

. Ed Suspicious Aug 2014 #289

. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #137

Hey stonecutter, do mind me jumping in here to say I think LordGlenconner got a Hide Cha Aug 2014 #264

+A Brazillion! N/T Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #291

Obama also said the word "the"... pisses me off when he said "the" and even drags it out sometimes uponit7771 Aug 2014 #2

That is not even cute. Demit Aug 2014 #6

Relative to the last time the "piece of shit" president said something someone didn't like i think uponit7771 Aug 2014 #146

Words Akira Watts Aug 2014 #7

Hey...didn't Will Pitt just post an article of yours here? Are you returning msanthrope Aug 2014 #30

Technically, yes, but with some explanation Akira Watts Aug 2014 #34

Awesome! So, did you agree with Will that the President is a piece of shit used car msanthrope Aug 2014 #50

Outrage generates eye-balls. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #61

And clicks!!! To third-party websites that need clicks! nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #63

Bingo. nt SunSeeker Aug 2014 #127

Well.... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #268

OMG.....THAT IS PERFECT!!! nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #277

Click Click Click... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #342

You are so right. cui bono Aug 2014 #177

Salesman? Akira Watts Aug 2014 #64

Not surprising since your wife is BFF with Will! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #271

? Akira Watts Aug 2014 #275

That's a really nasty question for someone who might not be aware of the context. Electric Monk Aug 2014 #98

Oh...he understood it. Don't forget to click the link! Money in msanthrope Aug 2014 #100

Click bait? Akira Watts Aug 2014 #104

Oh...I read nothing Will Pitt writes. Not since he failed to address some serious msanthrope Aug 2014 #120

Misinformation Akira Watts Aug 2014 #121

Yes....misinformation.... msanthrope Aug 2014 #126

Post where you like Akira Watts Aug 2014 #128

Oh, thanks for the permission, kind sir!!! Yeah....how about I continue to post msanthrope Aug 2014 #130

No problem, gentle sir Akira Watts Aug 2014 #133

Dude...you are telling me to read for "comprehensive?" My gender is clearly part of my username msanthrope Aug 2014 #134

Apologies Akira Watts Aug 2014 #136

Good writers should never assume anything. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #139

I like to assume the absurd and see what comes of it. nt Akira Watts Aug 2014 #152

Great...another over-educated blogger who thinks he's the second coming of msanthrope Aug 2014 #156

I'd much rather be the second coming off James Joyce... Akira Watts Aug 2014 #162

The second coming "off" James Joyce? I bet you didn't even mean to write something that msanthrope Aug 2014 #168

Autocorrect failure caught, good show Akira Watts Aug 2014 #176

See? Hang with me, your writing improves. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #180

Clearly... Akira Watts Aug 2014 #182

And as you can see by this exchange there is plenty of absurdity on DU! cui bono Aug 2014 #172

Welcome to DU. Don't worry about the perpetually bitter and aggrieved. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2014 #140

Thanks Akira Watts Aug 2014 #143

there's a dedicated group here who m-lekktor Aug 2014 #145

I'd heard... Akira Watts Aug 2014 #155

A Table Talker? grasswire Aug 2014 #281

Liberals don't need a hall monitor. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #186

The pettiness of this sub-thread is amazing. neverforget Aug 2014 #263

Some are in DU to discuss issues, others to ridicule, alert, lock and hide. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #269

It is a very serious occupation. woo me with science Aug 2014 #299

I suggest that we put them all on ignore or form a progressive group free from trouble makers. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #301

Stalker-esque, yep, you have her pegged already! BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #171

Then why are you posting in a thread of Pitt's? Just to harass a new DUer? cui bono Aug 2014 #167

Harass? We are having a lovely literary discussion! msanthrope Aug 2014 #173

How about at least trying to make one? cui bono Aug 2014 #175

In utter fairness Akira Watts Aug 2014 #181

You committed a funny autocorrect error! nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #189

Yay! Autocorrect error! That means Obama is perfect and we can all go home! Yay! nt Akira Watts Aug 2014 #192

You are far more gracious and witty than your newly appointed and ardent defenders Number23 Aug 2014 #240

I am sure he will enjoy his stay. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #252

Well....Number23... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #265

? Again Akira Watts Aug 2014 #276

Actually, sheshe2 Aug 2014 #292

Which username was that again? woo me with science Aug 2014 #296

What'cha implying there, woo? QC Aug 2014 #314

Aaah that's so woo woo woo you. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #339

omg.... that is classic. cui bono Aug 2014 #357

True, yes Akira Watts Aug 2014 #298

You're sharp. woo me with science Aug 2014 #297

"lovely literary discussion"? malokvale77 Aug 2014 #220

Pretty funny. You don't read anything he writes, but you make sure to show up Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #205

As I always say in these cases, WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #206

+1 Hekate Aug 2014 #270

Context Akira Watts Aug 2014 #102

a sincere and warm welcome to DU! grasswire Aug 2014 #129

You just had a run in with our resident lawyer. Autumn Aug 2014 #210

I'm no lawyer. . . Akira Watts Aug 2014 #219

I like you Autumn Aug 2014 #226

Now why would you bring that up again and again and again? Just trying to keep things stirred up rhett o rick Aug 2014 #309

Why wouldn't I bring it up? Seriously....it's a proud and shining moment for the OP, isn't it? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #317

No but it seems you are obsessed with attacking the OP author. It has nothing to do with this rhett o rick Aug 2014 #319

No? It wasn't a proud and shining moment? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #320

You mean your ad hominem attack? Glad you saw the light. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #322

No--I mean the OP's magnum opus. Don't be coy, rhett....it does not suit you. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #324

So I got it wrong and you're proud of your ad hominem attack. Whatever. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #325

How is referencing the OP's own writings an ad hominem attack? You remind me of msanthrope Aug 2014 #326

The only reason for you to bring up what the OP author said in a different OP rhett o rick Aug 2014 #327

It's not an attack; it's esoteric performance art. nt Akira Watts Aug 2014 #331

How is it an attack, to quote the OP's own words back to them? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #335

"Because clearly, the article involved picking a random selection of Obamas words and flying into a" uponit7771 Aug 2014 #147

Perhaps Akira Watts Aug 2014 #158

That's truly plumbing the depths of dumb LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author Electric Monk Aug 2014 #111

Unbelievable. You seem to think torture is just a quaint little thing we shouldn't bother cui bono Aug 2014 #151

I also think cute little bunny rabbit ears are too long... so.. snip snip :rolleyes: uponit7771 Aug 2014 #157

So you don't think torture is immoral then? cui bono Aug 2014 #164

Poutrage Akira Watts Aug 2014 #165

I like your style, AW. Welcome to DU! Divernan Aug 2014 #166

Welcome to DU malokvale77 Aug 2014 #223

Thanks Akira Watts Aug 2014 #224

Good malokvale77 Aug 2014 #229

what is worse than him defending the people who committed torture? questionseverything Aug 2014 #191

Torture. You're talking about innocent people tortured to death here. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #216

He also said the words 'we tortured'. The word WE 'chaps MY hide' because WE sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #303

If you don't have a reasonable argument or comment, you should just add rhett o rick Aug 2014 #307

. L0oniX Aug 2014 #4

The Friday Dumpster kentuck Aug 2014 #5

Some days I'm ashamed to be an American, and to have supported this man. Scuba Aug 2014 #8

Me, too. DrBulldog Aug 2014 #13

I feel exactly the same way. hifiguy Aug 2014 #17

Me too. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #257

Ever since I read the preview of this article... derby378 Aug 2014 #9

He became a nonperson for me that day. ballyhoo Aug 2014 #10

Obama is the most enigmatic president pscot Aug 2014 #11

he seems very conventional to me Enrique Aug 2014 #22

He is pragmatic, sometimes to a fault. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #190

He won Ad Age's Marketer of the Year in 2008 RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #33

Succinctly stated, Rufus. Obama is a brand, as Chris Hedges has been at pains to make everyone aware truth2power Aug 2014 #125

+1 countryjake Aug 2014 #138

Well said. cui bono Aug 2014 #154

Thanks! RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #213

Yes, exactly. cui bono Aug 2014 #231

A corporate award, woo me with science Aug 2014 #344

That's an easy one. Service the people at the top. Marr Aug 2014 #97

Excellent article Will. As a person who gets all "sanctimonious" about torture Autumn Aug 2014 #14

The "Talking Down" to us....(Human Rights Advocates & Organizations) KoKo Aug 2014 #15

He had a similar attitude towards teachers. chervilant Aug 2014 #278

I voted for him with great enthusiasm in '08 hifiguy Aug 2014 #16

I like your final thoughts the best, the last graf at the link. Yes, the man is hollow. Demit Aug 2014 #18

.... 840high Aug 2014 #26

These words spoken by the president made my blood run cold. I would never vote for him again. northoftheborder Aug 2014 #35

This ^^^^ RobinA Aug 2014 #85

Good post. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2014 #221

How did I miss this post before? woo me with science Aug 2014 #348

I had a post hidden one time PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #21

well, time is the great healer and revealer stupidicus Aug 2014 #23

K&R DeSwiss Aug 2014 #24

It is just his personal manner of speech, William. You should know better. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #27

I see a lot of people WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #29

I understand. But tone is important, you begin with a character assassination, and then pull back on Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #36

giving torture a pass Skittles Aug 2014 #66

I think he can speak for himself, thank you very much for your input. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #69

He did speak for himself and he called the torturers "patriots" and those that want prosecution cui bono Aug 2014 #161

Do you like cinnamon in your apple pie? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #196

I love cinnamon! And apple pie! cui bono Aug 2014 #230

That was the delivery. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #247

Then you need to work on your timing. cui bono Aug 2014 #258

LOLOL Skittles Aug 2014 #315

It's a keeper, right down to the pie. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #316

No, he started with mild criticism of 'folks', and built through "people were afraid" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #87

Tone is totally important. And I was thinking you missed the boat. Pres Obama's tone was completely rhett o rick Aug 2014 #321

I did not take his speech as an apology, more a resignation that there is nothing he can do without Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #323

If it was only resignation, he could have condemned it and indicated his resignation. He did rhett o rick Aug 2014 #328

I love cinnamon with my apple pie! Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #329

I guess that means you've run out of things to say. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #330

The torture wasn't done out of fear. Anu Ghraib was not about fear. arcane1 Aug 2014 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #42

It's very effective at breaking people, and societies. arcane1 Aug 2014 #53

You believe it was staged to create fear in Iraqis and the world..not to mess with the likes of us? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #71

You are correct 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #89

Given many of the released photos, I'd say that "sadistic pleasure" had a lot to do with it. gtar100 Aug 2014 #68

I was not referring to Abu Ghraib, I was talking about the fear in America....I agree with your post Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #73

You said the truth right there. You look at those photos. There is no fear on their faces, those in Autumn Aug 2014 #67

I was talking about the fear of the general public, as I thought my post clearly said. I agree that Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #76

The problem isn't "folks" it's "TORTURED" MNBrewer Aug 2014 #40

Obama is to Constitutional Scholar as a paramedic is to board certified MD Divernan Aug 2014 #83

O admittted bipartisanship means Dems ignore the poor, the environment, etc. Divernan Aug 2014 #92

I'd say he's more like a homeopath. Marr Aug 2014 #101

I think we need to keep the powder wet until after the elections this year. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #105

and the next elections, and the next elections and the next elections... MNBrewer Aug 2014 #304

Exactly Akira Watts Aug 2014 #305

I meant keep the powder wet, meaning not screaming at the President....time for that later. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #312

That really surprises me, I thought he was. Autumn Aug 2014 #209

Wow! Non Sequitur! Divernan Aug 2014 #225

So if he had said "We tortured some guys & gals" that would've been unremarkable too? Demit Aug 2014 #55

Exactly Akira Watts Aug 2014 #84

Oh yes! "Sanctimonious" sealed the deal for me too. Demit Aug 2014 #110

This is not about President Obamas choice of vocabulary. onecaliberal Aug 2014 #91

I think a few people were kind of held accountable Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #282

Yes two people were punished. onecaliberal Aug 2014 #306

OBAMA USED THE WORD "THE"!!!! DAMMIT!!! uponit7771 Aug 2014 #148

Soooooooooo weak. Divernan Aug 2014 #169

Sigh... chervilant Aug 2014 #280

The Strawman re. the word "folks" is long been destroyed. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #187

Wow... Just, wow... chervilant Aug 2014 #279

President Obama couldn't prosecute Bush and Cheney, so... Octafish Aug 2014 #28

Funny how 'folks' were told to be afraid after that new Pearl Harbor. valerief Aug 2014 #38

that is my problem. mopinko Aug 2014 #51

Who is "he"? I was talking about the PNACers and their echo machine. nt valerief Aug 2014 #57

i was trying to make a point that mopinko Aug 2014 #70

Goodbye valerief Aug 2014 #72

whatever. mopinko Aug 2014 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Aug 2014 #160

"the populace whisperer" Psephos Aug 2014 #58

K&R x 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 !!!!!!!! SamKnause Aug 2014 #41

Content aside, I think it's so enraging because it sounds like Bush. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #43

It was a speech by Bush delivered by Obama. pa28 Aug 2014 #107

as most regular readers here already know, I couldn't agree more bigtree Aug 2014 #47

This is a great post. danriker Aug 2014 #86

many thanks, Dan bigtree Aug 2014 #106

Thank you for a most excellent post. scarletwoman Aug 2014 #238

I hope everyone reads this post BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #239

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2014 #241

a fiefdom at the whim of presidential policy. Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #48

I thought that too. Banning torture is like banning human sacrifice. Demit Aug 2014 #142

....justice seems only for those that can afford it sadly... AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #56

"We tortured some folks" rock Aug 2014 #59

So many people, so ignorant of all political reality. Ikonoklast Aug 2014 #60

Finally someone in the goverment admits we tortured people Peacetrain Aug 2014 #62

That is how I understood it. tavernier Aug 2014 #75

Patriots Akira Watts Aug 2014 #80

Welcome here to DU, Akira Watts! countryjake Aug 2014 #153

He was explicitly absolving those in higher seats of power of any responsibility muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #90

And called the people that opposed torture sanctimonius. JoeyT Aug 2014 #214

Obama clearly says that HE sees them as patriots. You're giving him a pass on this... truth2power Aug 2014 #318

K&R The government wrapped itself around a lie on 9/11 whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #65

Very good and as you may have noticed, I facebooked it. mmonk Aug 2014 #74

The Guns of July....Let's Blame It All on Obama tgards79 Aug 2014 #77

Um...what does this have to do with a cover-up of Bush-era crimes? [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #81

What has your link got to do with what Obama said? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #95

DURec leftstreet Aug 2014 #79

The reason he's not prosecuting those "patriots" is because a lot of Dems signed off on torture. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #82

Prosecutions Akira Watts Aug 2014 #88

That's a piss-poor reason. Maedhros Aug 2014 #242

Why do you hate fascism, you "sanctimonious" "f****in' r****d" liberal? Zorra Aug 2014 #93

Good one! Didn't Rham Emanual use both of those terms to describe liberals? Thought so. n/t truth2power Aug 2014 #333

Obama offers the "Otter Defense" tularetom Aug 2014 #94

TAKE ACTION: Here's what whistleblowers want the public to do/Hint: it isn't piling on the president proverbialwisdom Aug 2014 #96

Recommend..and checking out the provided action links.. KoKo Aug 2014 #116

Ummmm rtracey Aug 2014 #99

K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #103

K & R historylovr Aug 2014 #112

Hannah Arendt called it 'banal' back when matters like torture and crimes against humanity actually VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #362

I like that term. historylovr Aug 2014 #364

I call it "Third Way blase." woo me with science Aug 2014 #365

While your moral authority expired at least 10 years ago. frazzled Aug 2014 #113

ok, please do so. nt Electric Monk Aug 2014 #117

Moral authority Akira Watts Aug 2014 #119

Please explain krawhitham Aug 2014 #124

I asked the OP permission to explain, not other posters frazzled Aug 2014 #131

Did I hear correctly that you are good friends with Glenn Beck? I'm just asking.... n/t xocet Aug 2014 #188

Are you? frazzled Aug 2014 #202

Apparently, you did not get it. n/t xocet Aug 2014 #204

Your call out reminds me of McCarthy's fictional "list" Divernan Aug 2014 #200

Agreed Akira Watts Aug 2014 #201

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #114

He's been such a forgettable president LittleBlue Aug 2014 #115

On many issues, Obama exceeded the efforts of Bush. Maedhros Aug 2014 #243

His foreign policy is Bush + competence nt Akira Watts Aug 2014 #246

Numerous writers and others have observed that Obama's foreign policy Maedhros Aug 2014 #255

He looked and sounded like a bored restaurant manager who already has his orders from the owner. pa28 Aug 2014 #123

+1 leftstreet Aug 2014 #150

Let me emphasize what Obama is saying, here... truth2power Aug 2014 #132

Never a constitutional scholar or expert in either academia OR the courtroom Divernan Aug 2014 #197

Thanks, so much, divernan, for your detailed work on Mr. Obama's tenure truth2power Aug 2014 #332

You're welcome. Some good investigative reporters did the work. Divernan Aug 2014 #334

Lately I've noticed that he's starting to tell it like it is. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #135

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #141

You got me. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #144

Excellent piece Mr Pitt. iemitsu Aug 2014 #159

Sometimes, DUers play as though torture began and ended during the Bush administration, and merrily Aug 2014 #163

Keep in mind that CIA black sites have continued to operate under Obama. Maedhros Aug 2014 #249

Yes, thank you. Amnesty International raised that, too. merrily Aug 2014 #343

How the hell do I still receive your bullshit albino65 Aug 2014 #170

Karma. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #178

... Rex Aug 2014 #179

You are obviously doing it wrong. Post in ATA and the admins can teach you how to use ignore. Autumn Aug 2014 #211

been there, done that albino65 Aug 2014 #236

Gonna pass on that Autumn Aug 2014 #261

Or, in other words, "I wish I knew how to quit you" derby378 Aug 2014 #215

Agreed! deerheadgal Aug 2014 #251

Thanks for another great essay, Will. countryjake Aug 2014 #174

I'm fine with lots of different reactions getting out there for people to wiggs Aug 2014 #193

I like your phrase 'Obama's position as acting president.' Demit Aug 2014 #212

It's as if he's going out of the way to avoid offending pro-torture people. Maedhros Aug 2014 #254

Obama's soft peddling on torture reveals who Obama is. No more campaign lies to get in his way, blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #194

Depressing but true. Joe Bacon Aug 2014 #360

I agree Marrah_G Aug 2014 #195

My first time ... GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #198

Our power will never help us live this down. ancianita Aug 2014 #199

Excellent piece. n/t xocet Aug 2014 #203

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #207

Kick 'n' Rec malokvale77 Aug 2014 #217

Lest we forget... kentuck Aug 2014 #218

Just in time for November elections! JaneyVee Aug 2014 #222

It's not nihilism Akira Watts Aug 2014 #227

Oh, it's nihilism. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #233

Tear it down Akira Watts Aug 2014 #234

I'm in the other camp. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #248

Messiahs Akira Watts Aug 2014 #253

+1000000 A revolting spectacle from an American president woo me with science Aug 2014 #287

Kick & unrec. NYC Liberal Aug 2014 #228

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2014 #232

The popcorn threads are the best. BKH70041 Aug 2014 #235

Mr. Obama's torturing us with his logic defending torture. There isn't enough alcohol whereisjustice Aug 2014 #237

rec! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #244

Thank you Will, woo me with science Aug 2014 #245

They tortured children in front of their parents to get their parents to talk. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #250

K&R elias49 Aug 2014 #256

Prosecuting torturers is off the table. Or, to put it the proper way, prosecuting the 1% is off the WinkyDink Aug 2014 #260

sanctimonious is right. or ignorance. certainot Aug 2014 #262

A Sanctimonious K&R bobduca Aug 2014 #267

Well said emsimon33 Aug 2014 #273

Out of curiosity mythology Aug 2014 #274

What a slimy and despicable tactic of apologism, woo me with science Aug 2014 #313

"...how little it takes to push somebody towards using violence..." WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #347

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #285

Do be sanctimonious. Look down your noses with a mix of disdain and pity at those so lacking in Ed Suspicious Aug 2014 #286

... woo me with science Aug 2014 #290

Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!....... Hotler Aug 2014 #293

Well said MissDeeds Aug 2014 #294

Life in the short-timers bubble Politicub Aug 2014 #295

Horse shit. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #308

I agree, disgusting. blackspade Aug 2014 #311

What Obama actually said was ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #337

I used to have an enormous amount of respect for you. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #338

In my post on the thread you're referring to ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #340

Find a mirror. WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #341

kick woo me with science Aug 2014 #345

Happy 200th. n/t BelgianMadCow Aug 2014 #346

kick woo me with science Aug 2014 #349

a sad k&r... spanone Aug 2014 #350

You need to give President Obama a bit more leverage! akbacchus_BC Aug 2014 #363