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stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
40. you were a victim of wouldbe criminals
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 08:48 PM
Aug 2014

that would exist and pursue that course regardless of the legality or illegality of prostitution.

How is the situation you described any different from the wife or husband (and their kids perhaps) that are "victimized" by the loss that can and often does consequently occur should such be revealed? It has absolutely nothing to do with what most mean and refer to with the "victimless crime" designation -- that there are no victims in the confines of that relationship -- and your experience doesn't change that.

All you've done is widened/added to something with a narrow definition. The same kinda arguments have been made with other "victimless crimes" like the drug war many of us are all too familiar with, and your "story" is roughly analogous to say, some adult trying to sell pot to a kid. Do you seriously think that most of us adults around here are unaware of these things? You appear to advocating the notion that the John and prostitute should remain vulnerable to criminal prosecution on the basis that doing otherwise wouldn't deter the wouldbe trafficers, child prostitute recruiters/seekers, etc, when obviously by the existence of your experience, it ain't getting the job done. ANd of course we haven't gotten into nor will we, the socio-economic factors that play a role the kinda prostitution, drug-riddled communities you're likely talking about.

I'd suggest that nobody wants to make you invisible, they just don't wanna make the time and text investment in helping you understand that your experiences do not change what is meant by a "victimless crime" for legal, prohibition overturning purposes. By your standards, alcohol should still be prohibited based upon all the evil some do with it as a result of it being legal, as should some of the practices of some religious kooks with children in this country, or even chain-smoking parents filling their kids lungs with it too. Just because some abuse things and the people around them is not sufficient cause to criminalize something only tangentially related to it -- like pedophiles, etc, not knowing the diff between an innocent little girl like you and a kid that chose prostitution.

That's all a function of where you lived and happenstance, not the now illegal prostitute/client relationship you appear to want to perpetuate just because child predators exist in the world, and you happened to live in a place where their was a lot of them primarily because their was a lot of poor women thinking they had no other way outta of it, or to even live comfortably in it by other means.

The finite shades of grey seveneyes Aug 2014 #1
Thank you for sharing your story. redqueen Aug 2014 #2
Thank you for listening BainsBane Aug 2014 #4
I think I know the hide you're referring to. redqueen Aug 2014 #9
Just found the links in your sig. That needs to be said, but DU won't let it be said. freshwest Aug 2014 #23
No, I was referring to a nasty one from someone else. redqueen Aug 2014 #72
The goal is not to channel them to adult prostitutes. jeff47 Aug 2014 #13
Police found that the number of underage street prlstitutes *increased* in Nevada. redqueen Aug 2014 #17
Because black markets make the problems worse. jeff47 Aug 2014 #24
There's only one county in Nevada where prostitution is legal Yavin4 Aug 2014 #92
It's legal in any of the rural counties. 8 of them have brothels. jeff47 Aug 2014 #111
There really is no simple, perfect solution. They all come with serious drawbacks. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #99
But if it was legal, prostitutes could work out of a Starbucks! leftstreet Aug 2014 #3
"Gentlemen's Starbucks Latte" -- sign in the movie "Idiocracy" Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2014 #43
But weren't those men trying to engage in illegal prositution? Nt Logical Aug 2014 #5
Do you actually think BainsBane Aug 2014 #7
But what does your story have to do with legalizing and regulating prostitution? Will asshole... Logical Aug 2014 #10
Bingo. Thread has nothing to do with legalizing prostitution LittleBlue Aug 2014 #18
Are you prepared to put the prostitution in your neighborhood? BainsBane Aug 2014 #63
Prostitution is already in my neighborhood LittleBlue Aug 2014 #65
Really? How do you know? BainsBane Aug 2014 #66
Not every prostitute walks the streets LittleBlue Aug 2014 #70
I can see why you don't want legalization in your neighborhood BainsBane Aug 2014 #74
Internet, probably TransitJohn Aug 2014 #96
If you know of it only through the internet BainsBane Aug 2014 #97
Didn't say that I did. TransitJohn Aug 2014 #102
I would submit that given the context of this thread BainsBane Aug 2014 #103
Whatever. TransitJohn Aug 2014 #106
Then work to legalize it there BainsBane Aug 2014 #69
How about no? LittleBlue Aug 2014 #71
That shows a complete and utter lack of knowledge of the law BainsBane Aug 2014 #73
I can't want it legalized over the entire nation? LittleBlue Aug 2014 #76
trying to legalize it "nationaly' but not by Federal legeslation, NM_Birder Aug 2014 #108
Because it is the experience of what it is like to live among prostitution BainsBane Aug 2014 #47
More like pedophilia n/t leftstreet Aug 2014 #8
I addressed your response as soon as I saw it. However, your experience occurred under La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #6
No, it isn't BainsBane Aug 2014 #26
BainsBane is saying that due to the police being paid off, it was effectively legal where she was Scootaloo Aug 2014 #27
but since it really wasn't legal, just protected dsc Aug 2014 #33
Yes, but that's a case of police corruption, more than anything, TBH. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #34
Were the police making people proposition kids or something? Scootaloo Aug 2014 #37
"there can be multiple problems afoot in a scenario, you know" Yes, I know. I know. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #42
No, it's a case of men seeing humans as objects to buy and use BainsBane Aug 2014 #64
that is def not the same as legalized. corrupt policing is one of the biggest problems La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #46
I understand you addressed it BainsBane Aug 2014 #30
Well stated. We have commodified woman's bodies for decades now el_bryanto Aug 2014 #11
Also, thanks for calling out this neoliberal spin for what it is. redqueen Aug 2014 #12
How does keeping prostitution illegal help the prostitutes? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #14
It clearly doesn't LittleBlue Aug 2014 #19
It may not help the prostitutes BainsBane Aug 2014 #25
I understand it has wider effects. jeff47 Aug 2014 #32
Because we got rid of that stuff BainsBane Aug 2014 #35
Not legalizing it could also bring it back. jeff47 Aug 2014 #39
I think what has made the difference BainsBane Aug 2014 #44
Actually, I have engaged on that. jeff47 Aug 2014 #45
You'd rather "bring up" poor areas BainsBane Aug 2014 #68
Actually, you have no idea what my thoughts are jeff47 Aug 2014 #110
You didn't talk about moving it out of my area BainsBane Aug 2014 #122
It certainly hurts the victims of trafficking that results kcr Aug 2014 #50
Sure they are. Trafficking is not required. jeff47 Aug 2014 #112
Yes, and it's much easier to do when they hide among legalized prostitution kcr Aug 2014 #127
Except it doesn't. jeff47 Aug 2014 #131
Why haven't you replied to this post? redqueen Aug 2014 #133
Got busy. Replying now (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #135
Last sentence and all of it. Perfect. Attempting to compose a longer, suitable answer for later. freshwest Aug 2014 #15
Do you have a link to the post you wrote during the 50 shades threads BainsBane Aug 2014 #88
I found it and this is an edit of it to apply to this here, but the original post is at the link: freshwest Aug 2014 #89
Excellent post, freshwest. Really gets the whole of it all. The World Wide View on a larger scale Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #116
I nearly missed this! BainsBane Aug 2014 #126
How does keeping prostitution illegal help that? jeff47 Aug 2014 #16
Neighborhood groups have worked hard to get that stuff out BainsBane Aug 2014 #21
That doesn't really answer the question jeff47 Aug 2014 #28
Germany legalized prostitution a decade ago mythology Aug 2014 #49
Already covered that above. The German model is not the only way. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #113
This study tracks 121 different countries BainsBane Aug 2014 #132
Studies in fact show that legalization leads to increased human trafficking BainsBane Aug 2014 #67
Which is why they found almost no trafficking in the UK. jeff47 Aug 2014 #114
"Human trafficking to UK 'rising'" redqueen Aug 2014 #117
It was called Pentameter Two jeff47 Aug 2014 #136
We have cited an academic study BainsBane Aug 2014 #139
What makes you think I haven't? jeff47 Aug 2014 #144
having lived in a red district neighborhood hopemountain Aug 2014 #20
Thank you BainsBane Aug 2014 #22
I'm so sorry you had to deal with all that. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #29
Welcome back, Joe BainsBane Aug 2014 #31
Perhaps, you might read more ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #81
It works if Turbineguy Aug 2014 #36
If you believe in neoliberalism BainsBane Aug 2014 #38
Thank you so much for that! freshwest Aug 2014 #52
you were a victim of wouldbe criminals stupidicus Aug 2014 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Aug 2014 #77
Equating human beings to a bag of weed BainsBane Aug 2014 #79
who did that "equating"? stupidicus Aug 2014 #118
The reason I referenced "buying human beings" BainsBane Aug 2014 #141
Um... redqueen Aug 2014 #80
a good pedophile can tell BainsBane Aug 2014 #84
I can't believe no one seems very bothered by that idea. redqueen Aug 2014 #85
too funny stupidicus Aug 2014 #119
"... the diff between an innocent little girl like you and a kid that chose prostitution." redqueen Aug 2014 #120
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #121
The point you obviously miss BainsBane Aug 2014 #123
I can't believe someone voted to leave that sickening post. redqueen Aug 2014 #128
I alerted on the results BainsBane Aug 2014 #130
I am sorry you had to endure that. NO child, anywhere, should be subjected ... 11 Bravo Aug 2014 #41
Thank you. BainsBane Aug 2014 #48
Thank you for opening that window to us, BainsBane. nt Hekate Aug 2014 #51
Kicking because this should be on the Greatest Page or Trending, and it 's not.. freshwest Aug 2014 #53
Thanks, freshwest BainsBane Aug 2014 #54
This looks mainly like a class issue to me eridani Aug 2014 #55
yes BainsBane Aug 2014 #56
Having it in *their* shiny neighborhood would remove the thrill right away, no? freshwest Aug 2014 #61
No, they don't want to hear BainsBane Aug 2014 #62
Yeah, it sure does suck when people ignore someone's first-hand experiences LadyHawkAZ Aug 2014 #57
I haven't done that BainsBane Aug 2014 #58
A 2012 study published in World Development, “Does Legalized Prostitution Increase Human Trafficking LanternWaste Aug 2014 #59
good info BainsBane Aug 2014 #60
And the increase in trafficking is just one ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #82
What do you think is worse? BainsBane Aug 2014 #83
The collateral damage experienced by ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #86
I gotta go with slavery, Istrong BainsBane Aug 2014 #87
K&R Garthem Aug 2014 #75
Honestly ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #78
This thread is eye-opening to me YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #90
entitlement is the operative word BainsBane Aug 2014 #91
I prefer using the term "libertarian" YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #93
I can think of a lot of terms I'd use BainsBane Aug 2014 #94
exactly, even legalization will not mean it will be available everywhere JI7 Aug 2014 #95
Evidenced by the fact that not one proponent of legalization BainsBane Aug 2014 #98
Same logic conservatives use to defend sweatshops. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #129
but they told Romney they loved it JI7 Aug 2014 #140
I don't see how anyone can think that legalization is some magic bullet. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #100
An incredibly difficult subject BB intaglio Aug 2014 #101
Did you notice this post? redqueen Aug 2014 #109
I didn't notice it specifically because I knew that already intaglio Aug 2014 #115
Thank you for your post BB! This is not an easy issue like some believe. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #104
Thank you, Justin BainsBane Aug 2014 #105
. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #107
...and just like clockwork, the vile, anti-feminist trolling resumes here YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #124
Yeah, I saw that. BainsBane Aug 2014 #125
That is just... Any credibility he might have, on any subject, he torpedoed with that post. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #134
The advantage BainsBane Aug 2014 #137
And it shows that legalization is not the blanket solution some think it is. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #138
I think the solution lies in figuring out how to minimize the BainsBane Aug 2014 #142
Exactly. We need to take the blinders off and really *look* at the real-world effects. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #143
I can't believe that poster hasn't been banned. PassingFair Aug 2014 #148
In case anyone is wondering who the "imaginary victim" is BainsBane Aug 2014 #145
Related. proverbialwisdom Aug 2014 #146
And we have had people here BainsBane Aug 2014 #147
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