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MADem

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165. We will never have such a thing on the national level, I don't think.

Tue Aug 5, 2014, 12:20 PM

Aug 2014

We don't even get to vote, really--we vote for electors, and they can be "faithless" without any consequences (save having to change their name and go hide, perhaps)-- we're divorced from the process. That's an entrenched method and many are vested in keeping it that way, even if it occasionally gives us Presidents that aren't the choice of the majority.

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Republican Dirt Machine - Trolling Hillary From The Left? [View all] kpete Aug 2014 OP

So - we MUST support Hillary or else we are just tools of the rightwing? djean111 Aug 2014 #1

Nope. But we do need to watch out for Rovian trickery. riqster Aug 2014 #2

It's not hard to troll some "Democratic" pols. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #130

No. But know thine enemy, and when they're using you. nolabear Aug 2014 #3

If the GOP bullshit machine latches on to something that Dems aren't happy about -- and haven't winter is coming Aug 2014 #12

Oh, I don't think they just echo them. They distort and spin and edit them. And it has an effect. nolabear Aug 2014 #20

Could you please provide a specific example? n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #21

the bullshit about Hillary getting speaking fees. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #22

So, she didn't get any speaking fees? tularetom Aug 2014 #35

Oh, she did. But it was the idiotic notion that she shouldn't get any speaking fees... KittyWampus Aug 2014 #47

and ignoring the fact that she gives most if not all of it away too... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #53

Benghazi, phantom health problems, age speculation... nolabear Aug 2014 #23

I haven't seen *any* Dems saying bad things about Benghazi. There have been a handful winter is coming Aug 2014 #24

I'm not advocating silence by any means. Just awareness. nolabear Aug 2014 #26

Are you attempting to portray the RW as NOT trying to frame the conversation? Sheepshank Aug 2014 #138

Then you should look again. winter is coming Aug 2014 #139

if you fail to acknowledge this manpulative, propoganda type tactic by the RW Sheepshank Aug 2014 #140

The RW will try to attack Dems from any angle they can find. winter is coming Aug 2014 #148

Thank you, well said. I'm beginning to wonder about this. Could it be a dirty sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #92

There will be many dirty tricks associated with 2016. Whether this is one of them... who knows? nt winter is coming Aug 2014 #98

The Third Way is very good at this kind of thing. Regardless, I won't be supporting sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #101

Great....45,000 more posts Sheepshank Aug 2014 #142

Excuse me? Could you restate whatever it is you are trying to say so that sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #152

I think it was clear enough n/t Sheepshank Aug 2014 #154

It was... SidDithers Aug 2014 #155

Well said. Laelth Aug 2014 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #4

Unlike every other Democrat BainsBane Aug 2014 #11

that has got to be the most idiotic idea in a long time dsc Aug 2014 #38

All we have to do is base decisions on FACTS. And keep telling the truth. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #90

You don't get it. The RW hates ANY powerful, potentially winning Democrat. pnwmom Aug 2014 #94

Demographic trends say that the Democratic candidate will win in 2016 ... Laelth Aug 2014 #145

Democratic trends don't prevent stolen elections. We prevent it by avoiding a close election. pnwmom Aug 2014 #167

Perhaps. Laelth Aug 2014 #188

Winning is KEY. I'd rather win with a Democrat that wasn't progressive enough to suit DU pnwmom Aug 2014 #191

That does appear to be the argument. Laelth Aug 2014 #143

Yep. Exactly. djean111 Aug 2014 #149

DU rec... SidDithers Aug 2014 #5

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2014 #6

+1 Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #7

double YEP kpete Aug 2014 #10

Yep....nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #28

haha Evergreen Emerald Aug 2014 #131

And these groups have been "Trolling Obama From The Left" since day one. You Better Believe It! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #8

I do, I do! flamingdem Aug 2014 #73

Because Dems are weak-willed creatures who loved Hillary until the RW told them not to. winter is coming Aug 2014 #9

Well said. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #146

Hell, Ma'am, You Can See The Left Auxiliary Of The Republican Right In Action Here Every Day.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #13

LOL, I predicted almost word to word this post would be made! I love how.... Logical Aug 2014 #16

Remember, you're either for us or against us. winter is coming Aug 2014 #17

I know, complain and be labeled right wing! nt Logical Aug 2014 #18

You nailed it. Laelth Aug 2014 #147

Great points! Something needs to change! nt Logical Aug 2014 #158

That is unkind and unfair... KoKo Aug 2014 #65

As A Thoroughgoing Leninist Might Say, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #69

This. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #117

Well said, Sir maddezmom Aug 2014 #129

What is the Center Right Dem Party Afraid of? KoKo Aug 2014 #133

nail...meet hammer Sheepshank Aug 2014 #156

Oh, you are correct about that, we DO see it here every day. In fact I see some of it sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #97

If I Did Not Know Better, Ma'am, I Would Suspect You Of Sarcasm.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #102

I was not being sarcastic at all, just completely honest. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #103

You Might Make A Decent Card-Player, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #104

Are there any issues that are *particularly* the domain MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #116

I see no difference between the right and anti-Democratic "left" BainsBane Aug 2014 #14

Wow, guess they were out of narrow brushes at the hardware store. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #15

She is spot on though. Skidmore Aug 2014 #27

Demonizing the left isn't "spot on". It's divisive bullshit. winter is coming Aug 2014 #31

When criticism ceases to be constructive with Skidmore Aug 2014 #32

+1 BainsBane Aug 2014 #113

Saying the left is exactly like the right, is like saying there is no difference in the parties. Rex Aug 2014 #164

When the end product of the 'left' in question is to elect Republicans, its not much of a 'left' nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #86

Exactly my point BainsBane Aug 2014 #112

I would agree the left doesn't do that BainsBane Aug 2014 #109

Wow... total pretzel logic. winter is coming Aug 2014 #126

Your position depends on a willful ignorance of American political history stevenleser Aug 2014 #176

I haven't said anything about Kucinich or conspiracy theories. winter is coming Aug 2014 #180

I didn't say you did. Try reading what I actually wrote. Speaking of strawmen... nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #181

That poster seems to bothered BainsBane Aug 2014 #202

You really won't deal with any disagreement at all BainsBane Aug 2014 #201

No one has told me my concerns are unimportant? BainsBane Aug 2014 #190

Whereas the centrists simply aim to bring us 'Democratic' candidates who advance RW legislation. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #29

A number of people describe concern for sexism, homophobia and racism as Third Way BainsBane Aug 2014 #33

I would suggest that it was probably Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #40

the person claimed to consider himself a leftist BainsBane Aug 2014 #42

One thing I've noticed Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #45

If you're going through HR depts BainsBane Aug 2014 #46

And, of course, you have links to demonstrate that MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #52

Nice try BainsBane Aug 2014 #54

Refusing to provide evidence might make a person think MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #57

What you think doesn't concern me, Manny. BainsBane Aug 2014 #58

In such cases AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #60

Good idea BainsBane Aug 2014 #67

lol AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #77

I didn't say a thing about all socially liberal people BainsBane Aug 2014 #81

lol AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #85

The proof is in black and white BainsBane Aug 2014 #88

You are using pretzel logic AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #89

while you complain about pretzel logic, you fail you realize Sheepshank Aug 2014 #151

So we're going to abandon A implies B for A implies squid? winter is coming Aug 2014 #173

You're responding to a very logical, well reasoned post with a joke. pnwmom Aug 2014 #96

There is no 'well reasoning' AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #99

I think what you mean is BainsBane Aug 2014 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #115

I stand behind what I said AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #118

I hope I'm just still half-asleep MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #122

No, I think the misreading of "Third Wayers are economically to the right, socially to the left" winter is coming Aug 2014 #137

Good luck trying to figure it out MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #183

Another example BainsBane Aug 2014 #199

Look at the full conversation BainsBane Aug 2014 #161

I looked at that thread three times now MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #182

What do you think it says? BainsBane Aug 2014 #187

The thread you linked to? winter is coming Aug 2014 #192

You said I called you a Marxist BainsBane Aug 2014 #193

I didn't miss the so-called "point". I thought it was word salad, as is this: winter is coming Aug 2014 #194

When you don't understand BainsBane Aug 2014 #195

When you write circular and self-contradictory arguments, I see word salad. winter is coming Aug 2014 #196

That me make it clear BainsBane Aug 2014 #197

Bingo AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #178

While it's just a total coincidence BainsBane Aug 2014 #185

Link, please. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #186

100% wrong AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #200

Another example BainsBane Aug 2014 #198

There's no rule against linking to examples. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #61

Another member graciously provided me with an opportunity BainsBane Aug 2014 #68

Apparently in her world AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #78

Provide a quote of my saying that BainsBane Aug 2014 #84

lol AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #87

So you entered this discussion talking about how one can provide quotes as evidence BainsBane Aug 2014 #91

Pfffft AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #95

Well, THAT was not even weak try. Manny asked a simple question, you made a claim sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #100

You could have checked before you left your response BainsBane Aug 2014 #106

I knew you didn't want to see the evidence BainsBane Aug 2014 #110

anybody who is paying attention hfojvt Aug 2014 #119

CORPORATE/ELITE power is what is behind the manipulation. Right vs. Left is the illusion... cascadiance Aug 2014 #150

'They describe concerns about civil rights, sexism, and homophobia as "Third Way."' AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #59

Speak on it, Bains! Those damned elections won't suppress themselves. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #79

OMG DUzy hootinholler Aug 2014 #136

You've hit the nail on the head, there. nt MADem Aug 2014 #125

But are oh-so-offended LWolf Aug 2014 #135

These people are different than me, and so are those people. Therefore, they're exactly the same. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2014 #174

If someone votes for a Third Party candidate BainsBane Aug 2014 #204

So, we allowed to have a 2016 primary, or should we just anoint her now? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #19

We're having PrimaryLite... only two choices: patriot or traitor. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #25

What in the OP tells you we shoudn't have a primary? BainsBane Aug 2014 #43

It's yet another in a long line of "Clinton is the nominee" posts. jeff47 Aug 2014 #44

I didn't read it that way BainsBane Aug 2014 #111

Wit us or agin' us. Iggo Aug 2014 #63

Rove and Co will do ANYTHING to get the WH, remember, they have gerrymandered randys1 Aug 2014 #30

"complete lack of criticism of Hillary from Democratic sites such as this" wyldwolf Aug 2014 #34

I thought that was funny, too. Iggo Aug 2014 #64

I've certainly been surprised at the bitterness of some of the attacks on Hillary, Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #36

I believe AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #83

I think it's safe to say they've even got operatives on anonymous message boards... Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #37

Well thank God we have you Union Scribe Aug 2014 #159

Right-wing media fanning the flames of paranoia over Ebola.... Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #179

Remember "Party Unity My Ass" from 2008? tularetom Aug 2014 #39

If I were a member of the GOP dirt machine, I'd troll Warren and Sanders, betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #41

Strongly disagree wyldwolf Aug 2014 #48

and according to you their supporters are "ants to be stomped on" n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #49

LOL. It's so cute when people intentionally misinterpret analogies wyldwolf Aug 2014 #50

so much drama lol Sheepshank Aug 2014 #153

And that strategy is classic ratfucking from CREEP....if I may bring a historical perspective to msanthrope Aug 2014 #127

However, if one was a member of the Green Party, one might try to strip off dissatisfied democrats.. SidDithers Aug 2014 #124

As I note in post 127, that's classic ratfucking....shaving off the edges in order to attack the msanthrope Aug 2014 #128

A process so painfully obvious Sheepshank Aug 2014 #162

Hillary needs help pissing off the left like water needs help freezing at 40 below zero. bunnies Aug 2014 #51

most of that 'pissing off the left' is the equivalent of astroturfing wyldwolf Aug 2014 #55

Exactly, progressives need to stop listening to what she actually said hughee99 Aug 2014 #70

Actually, progressives need to stop taking unsourced editoritials as real journalism wyldwolf Aug 2014 #71

7 1/2 minutes of an NPR interview is hardly becomes an "unsourced editorial" hughee99 Aug 2014 #76

I'm referring to online sources that spread misinformation to the left - read the OP wyldwolf Aug 2014 #80

I read the OP. I'm specifically referring to what is called the hughee99 Aug 2014 #82

so, not being a part of the CORPORATE MEDIA hierarchy means "unsourced misinformation"? Yeah, RIGHT! cascadiance Aug 2014 #157

Really? bunnies Aug 2014 #72

Yes, really, Hamsher/Kos etc. say it's so and the left take it as gospel wyldwolf Aug 2014 #75

So wyldwolf which of these statements is not true? cascadiance Aug 2014 #160

'true' isn't the issue. 'relevant' is (and some of these are factually inaccurate) wyldwolf Aug 2014 #177

I like to decide myself what to be outraged about. bunnies Aug 2014 #189

Nader and Hamsher DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #56

That is truly an offbase remark...and you know it is offensive... KoKo Aug 2014 #66

No, it's not. Are you not aware that Ralph Nader took MONEY from GOP donors? MADem Aug 2014 #105

now now DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #107

Ain't that the sad truth!!! MADem Aug 2014 #108

What are you afraid of? If Hamsher and Nader are washed up KoKo Aug 2014 #132

If Nader hadn't been in that election, funded by the GOP, the Jeb regime would not MADem Aug 2014 #166

Gore definately would have won if we didn't have a democracy too betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #170

Not sure what you are saying, here. Could you clarify? nt MADem Aug 2014 #175

afraid of? DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #169

Which is not nearly as much as the dlc has taken from the Koch Brothers betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #121

Excuse me--GOP donors don't give in large numbers to Democratic candidates. MADem Aug 2014 #123

You act as if democrats can't be right wingers too. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #171

Why are you trying to change the subject from GOP big-money donors specifically funding Ralph MADem Aug 2014 #172

I wonder if the GOP would have donated to Nader if we had "instant runoff voting" in place cascadiance Aug 2014 #163

We will never have such a thing on the national level, I don't think. MADem Aug 2014 #165

All lies of course. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #62

You think the HRC campaign could make shit like this up to deflect real criticism? Yeah, me too. nt Electric Monk Aug 2014 #74

at this point, NOTHING is out of bounds DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #120

"Lockstep support"? Complete lack of criticism" of Hillary from sites like DU? pnwmom Aug 2014 #93

Sorry. LWolf Aug 2014 #134

Interesting. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #141

Is the AP report on the covert operation in Cuba "trolling"? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #168

There is a lot of corporate money flowing into attacks against all liberals. raouldukelives Aug 2014 #184

Never trust a republican. Kingofalldems Aug 2014 #203

Church is going to get very intense soon. L0oniX Aug 2014 #205

Good to know libodem Aug 2014 #206