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BainsBane

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67. Good idea

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 10:39 PM

Aug 2014

However, your post provides me with an opportunity. I do believe it is acceptable to link to someone's former posts while in conversation with that person:

AgingAmerican (3,719 posts)

5. The Third Way are socially liberal
...but fiscally conservative. They can best be described as Republicrats.

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Republican Dirt Machine - Trolling Hillary From The Left? [View all] kpete Aug 2014 OP

So - we MUST support Hillary or else we are just tools of the rightwing? djean111 Aug 2014 #1

Nope. But we do need to watch out for Rovian trickery. riqster Aug 2014 #2

It's not hard to troll some "Democratic" pols. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #130

No. But know thine enemy, and when they're using you. nolabear Aug 2014 #3

If the GOP bullshit machine latches on to something that Dems aren't happy about -- and haven't winter is coming Aug 2014 #12

Oh, I don't think they just echo them. They distort and spin and edit them. And it has an effect. nolabear Aug 2014 #20

Could you please provide a specific example? n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #21

the bullshit about Hillary getting speaking fees. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #22

So, she didn't get any speaking fees? tularetom Aug 2014 #35

Oh, she did. But it was the idiotic notion that she shouldn't get any speaking fees... KittyWampus Aug 2014 #47

and ignoring the fact that she gives most if not all of it away too... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #53

Benghazi, phantom health problems, age speculation... nolabear Aug 2014 #23

I haven't seen *any* Dems saying bad things about Benghazi. There have been a handful winter is coming Aug 2014 #24

I'm not advocating silence by any means. Just awareness. nolabear Aug 2014 #26

Are you attempting to portray the RW as NOT trying to frame the conversation? Sheepshank Aug 2014 #138

Then you should look again. winter is coming Aug 2014 #139

if you fail to acknowledge this manpulative, propoganda type tactic by the RW Sheepshank Aug 2014 #140

The RW will try to attack Dems from any angle they can find. winter is coming Aug 2014 #148

Thank you, well said. I'm beginning to wonder about this. Could it be a dirty sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #92

There will be many dirty tricks associated with 2016. Whether this is one of them... who knows? nt winter is coming Aug 2014 #98

The Third Way is very good at this kind of thing. Regardless, I won't be supporting sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #101

Great....45,000 more posts Sheepshank Aug 2014 #142

Excuse me? Could you restate whatever it is you are trying to say so that sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #152

I think it was clear enough n/t Sheepshank Aug 2014 #154

It was... SidDithers Aug 2014 #155

Well said. Laelth Aug 2014 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #4

Unlike every other Democrat BainsBane Aug 2014 #11

that has got to be the most idiotic idea in a long time dsc Aug 2014 #38

All we have to do is base decisions on FACTS. And keep telling the truth. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #90

You don't get it. The RW hates ANY powerful, potentially winning Democrat. pnwmom Aug 2014 #94

Demographic trends say that the Democratic candidate will win in 2016 ... Laelth Aug 2014 #145

Democratic trends don't prevent stolen elections. We prevent it by avoiding a close election. pnwmom Aug 2014 #167

Perhaps. Laelth Aug 2014 #188

Winning is KEY. I'd rather win with a Democrat that wasn't progressive enough to suit DU pnwmom Aug 2014 #191

That does appear to be the argument. Laelth Aug 2014 #143

Yep. Exactly. djean111 Aug 2014 #149

DU rec... SidDithers Aug 2014 #5

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2014 #6

+1 Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #7

double YEP kpete Aug 2014 #10

Yep....nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #28

haha Evergreen Emerald Aug 2014 #131

And these groups have been "Trolling Obama From The Left" since day one. You Better Believe It! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #8

I do, I do! flamingdem Aug 2014 #73

Because Dems are weak-willed creatures who loved Hillary until the RW told them not to. winter is coming Aug 2014 #9

Well said. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #146

Hell, Ma'am, You Can See The Left Auxiliary Of The Republican Right In Action Here Every Day.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #13

LOL, I predicted almost word to word this post would be made! I love how.... Logical Aug 2014 #16

Remember, you're either for us or against us. winter is coming Aug 2014 #17

I know, complain and be labeled right wing! nt Logical Aug 2014 #18

You nailed it. Laelth Aug 2014 #147

Great points! Something needs to change! nt Logical Aug 2014 #158

That is unkind and unfair... KoKo Aug 2014 #65

As A Thoroughgoing Leninist Might Say, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #69

This. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #117

Well said, Sir maddezmom Aug 2014 #129

What is the Center Right Dem Party Afraid of? KoKo Aug 2014 #133

nail...meet hammer Sheepshank Aug 2014 #156

Oh, you are correct about that, we DO see it here every day. In fact I see some of it sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #97

If I Did Not Know Better, Ma'am, I Would Suspect You Of Sarcasm.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #102

I was not being sarcastic at all, just completely honest. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #103

You Might Make A Decent Card-Player, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #104

Are there any issues that are *particularly* the domain MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #116

I see no difference between the right and anti-Democratic "left" BainsBane Aug 2014 #14

Wow, guess they were out of narrow brushes at the hardware store. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #15

She is spot on though. Skidmore Aug 2014 #27

Demonizing the left isn't "spot on". It's divisive bullshit. winter is coming Aug 2014 #31

When criticism ceases to be constructive with Skidmore Aug 2014 #32

+1 BainsBane Aug 2014 #113

Saying the left is exactly like the right, is like saying there is no difference in the parties. Rex Aug 2014 #164

When the end product of the 'left' in question is to elect Republicans, its not much of a 'left' nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #86

Exactly my point BainsBane Aug 2014 #112

I would agree the left doesn't do that BainsBane Aug 2014 #109

Wow... total pretzel logic. winter is coming Aug 2014 #126

Your position depends on a willful ignorance of American political history stevenleser Aug 2014 #176

I haven't said anything about Kucinich or conspiracy theories. winter is coming Aug 2014 #180

I didn't say you did. Try reading what I actually wrote. Speaking of strawmen... nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #181

That poster seems to bothered BainsBane Aug 2014 #202

You really won't deal with any disagreement at all BainsBane Aug 2014 #201

No one has told me my concerns are unimportant? BainsBane Aug 2014 #190

Whereas the centrists simply aim to bring us 'Democratic' candidates who advance RW legislation. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #29

A number of people describe concern for sexism, homophobia and racism as Third Way BainsBane Aug 2014 #33

I would suggest that it was probably Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #40

the person claimed to consider himself a leftist BainsBane Aug 2014 #42

One thing I've noticed Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #45

If you're going through HR depts BainsBane Aug 2014 #46

And, of course, you have links to demonstrate that MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #52

Nice try BainsBane Aug 2014 #54

Refusing to provide evidence might make a person think MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #57

What you think doesn't concern me, Manny. BainsBane Aug 2014 #58

In such cases AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #60

Good idea BainsBane Aug 2014 #67

lol AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #77

I didn't say a thing about all socially liberal people BainsBane Aug 2014 #81

lol AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #85

The proof is in black and white BainsBane Aug 2014 #88

You are using pretzel logic AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #89

while you complain about pretzel logic, you fail you realize Sheepshank Aug 2014 #151

So we're going to abandon A implies B for A implies squid? winter is coming Aug 2014 #173

You're responding to a very logical, well reasoned post with a joke. pnwmom Aug 2014 #96

There is no 'well reasoning' AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #99

I think what you mean is BainsBane Aug 2014 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #115

I stand behind what I said AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #118

I hope I'm just still half-asleep MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #122

No, I think the misreading of "Third Wayers are economically to the right, socially to the left" winter is coming Aug 2014 #137

Good luck trying to figure it out MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #183

Another example BainsBane Aug 2014 #199

Look at the full conversation BainsBane Aug 2014 #161

I looked at that thread three times now MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #182

What do you think it says? BainsBane Aug 2014 #187

The thread you linked to? winter is coming Aug 2014 #192

You said I called you a Marxist BainsBane Aug 2014 #193

I didn't miss the so-called "point". I thought it was word salad, as is this: winter is coming Aug 2014 #194

When you don't understand BainsBane Aug 2014 #195

When you write circular and self-contradictory arguments, I see word salad. winter is coming Aug 2014 #196

That me make it clear BainsBane Aug 2014 #197

Bingo AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #178

While it's just a total coincidence BainsBane Aug 2014 #185

Link, please. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #186

100% wrong AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #200

Another example BainsBane Aug 2014 #198

There's no rule against linking to examples. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #61

Another member graciously provided me with an opportunity BainsBane Aug 2014 #68

Apparently in her world AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #78

Provide a quote of my saying that BainsBane Aug 2014 #84

lol AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #87

So you entered this discussion talking about how one can provide quotes as evidence BainsBane Aug 2014 #91

Pfffft AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #95

Well, THAT was not even weak try. Manny asked a simple question, you made a claim sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #100

You could have checked before you left your response BainsBane Aug 2014 #106

I knew you didn't want to see the evidence BainsBane Aug 2014 #110

anybody who is paying attention hfojvt Aug 2014 #119

CORPORATE/ELITE power is what is behind the manipulation. Right vs. Left is the illusion... cascadiance Aug 2014 #150

'They describe concerns about civil rights, sexism, and homophobia as "Third Way."' AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #59

Speak on it, Bains! Those damned elections won't suppress themselves. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #79

OMG DUzy hootinholler Aug 2014 #136

You've hit the nail on the head, there. nt MADem Aug 2014 #125

But are oh-so-offended LWolf Aug 2014 #135

These people are different than me, and so are those people. Therefore, they're exactly the same. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2014 #174

If someone votes for a Third Party candidate BainsBane Aug 2014 #204

So, we allowed to have a 2016 primary, or should we just anoint her now? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #19

We're having PrimaryLite... only two choices: patriot or traitor. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #25

What in the OP tells you we shoudn't have a primary? BainsBane Aug 2014 #43

It's yet another in a long line of "Clinton is the nominee" posts. jeff47 Aug 2014 #44

I didn't read it that way BainsBane Aug 2014 #111

Wit us or agin' us. Iggo Aug 2014 #63

Rove and Co will do ANYTHING to get the WH, remember, they have gerrymandered randys1 Aug 2014 #30

"complete lack of criticism of Hillary from Democratic sites such as this" wyldwolf Aug 2014 #34

I thought that was funny, too. Iggo Aug 2014 #64

I've certainly been surprised at the bitterness of some of the attacks on Hillary, Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #36

I believe AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #83

I think it's safe to say they've even got operatives on anonymous message boards... Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #37

Well thank God we have you Union Scribe Aug 2014 #159

Right-wing media fanning the flames of paranoia over Ebola.... Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #179

Remember "Party Unity My Ass" from 2008? tularetom Aug 2014 #39

If I were a member of the GOP dirt machine, I'd troll Warren and Sanders, betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #41

Strongly disagree wyldwolf Aug 2014 #48

and according to you their supporters are "ants to be stomped on" n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #49

LOL. It's so cute when people intentionally misinterpret analogies wyldwolf Aug 2014 #50

so much drama lol Sheepshank Aug 2014 #153

And that strategy is classic ratfucking from CREEP....if I may bring a historical perspective to msanthrope Aug 2014 #127

However, if one was a member of the Green Party, one might try to strip off dissatisfied democrats.. SidDithers Aug 2014 #124

As I note in post 127, that's classic ratfucking....shaving off the edges in order to attack the msanthrope Aug 2014 #128

A process so painfully obvious Sheepshank Aug 2014 #162

Hillary needs help pissing off the left like water needs help freezing at 40 below zero. bunnies Aug 2014 #51

most of that 'pissing off the left' is the equivalent of astroturfing wyldwolf Aug 2014 #55

Exactly, progressives need to stop listening to what she actually said hughee99 Aug 2014 #70

Actually, progressives need to stop taking unsourced editoritials as real journalism wyldwolf Aug 2014 #71

7 1/2 minutes of an NPR interview is hardly becomes an "unsourced editorial" hughee99 Aug 2014 #76

I'm referring to online sources that spread misinformation to the left - read the OP wyldwolf Aug 2014 #80

I read the OP. I'm specifically referring to what is called the hughee99 Aug 2014 #82

so, not being a part of the CORPORATE MEDIA hierarchy means "unsourced misinformation"? Yeah, RIGHT! cascadiance Aug 2014 #157

Really? bunnies Aug 2014 #72

Yes, really, Hamsher/Kos etc. say it's so and the left take it as gospel wyldwolf Aug 2014 #75

So wyldwolf which of these statements is not true? cascadiance Aug 2014 #160

'true' isn't the issue. 'relevant' is (and some of these are factually inaccurate) wyldwolf Aug 2014 #177

I like to decide myself what to be outraged about. bunnies Aug 2014 #189

Nader and Hamsher DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #56

That is truly an offbase remark...and you know it is offensive... KoKo Aug 2014 #66

No, it's not. Are you not aware that Ralph Nader took MONEY from GOP donors? MADem Aug 2014 #105

now now DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #107

Ain't that the sad truth!!! MADem Aug 2014 #108

What are you afraid of? If Hamsher and Nader are washed up KoKo Aug 2014 #132

If Nader hadn't been in that election, funded by the GOP, the Jeb regime would not MADem Aug 2014 #166

Gore definately would have won if we didn't have a democracy too betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #170

Not sure what you are saying, here. Could you clarify? nt MADem Aug 2014 #175

afraid of? DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #169

Which is not nearly as much as the dlc has taken from the Koch Brothers betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #121

Excuse me--GOP donors don't give in large numbers to Democratic candidates. MADem Aug 2014 #123

You act as if democrats can't be right wingers too. betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #171

Why are you trying to change the subject from GOP big-money donors specifically funding Ralph MADem Aug 2014 #172

I wonder if the GOP would have donated to Nader if we had "instant runoff voting" in place cascadiance Aug 2014 #163

We will never have such a thing on the national level, I don't think. MADem Aug 2014 #165

All lies of course. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #62

You think the HRC campaign could make shit like this up to deflect real criticism? Yeah, me too. nt Electric Monk Aug 2014 #74

at this point, NOTHING is out of bounds DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #120

"Lockstep support"? Complete lack of criticism" of Hillary from sites like DU? pnwmom Aug 2014 #93

Sorry. LWolf Aug 2014 #134

Interesting. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #141

Is the AP report on the covert operation in Cuba "trolling"? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #168

There is a lot of corporate money flowing into attacks against all liberals. raouldukelives Aug 2014 #184

Never trust a republican. Kingofalldems Aug 2014 #203

Church is going to get very intense soon. L0oniX Aug 2014 #205

Good to know libodem Aug 2014 #206