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muriel_volestrangler

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52. UNRWA needs a way of getting everything in without the Israelis controlling it

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:53 AM

Aug 2014

People can't live on money. The problem is that the Israeli government controls what goes into Gaza - like the food. There's a shortage of fuel (because Israel destroyed existing stocks), and Israel doesn't allow all goods unrestricted into Gaza. Money in an UNRWA bank account can't magically make fuel appear in Gaza, and we can't march into Israel or Egypt, commandeer their fuel tankers (and medical supplies, food, water etc.) and drive them into Gaza unopposed. So we have to do it via sea, where an armed escort can come in without being on Israeli or Egyptian territory.

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Is it time for an international (armed) aid operation to Gaza? [View all] muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 OP

Tastes like Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #1

Like the Berlin airlift? CJCRANE Aug 2014 #2

Yes, that's the general idea muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #3

Has the West actually helped any country rebuild in this century? CJCRANE Aug 2014 #5

Kosovo (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #10

Wasn't that in the 90s? CJCRANE Aug 2014 #12

Started in 1999; UN and EU have had a presence there since then muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #13

I want a Peacekeeping plan, action, something duhneece Aug 2014 #30

That is because they do not want to rebuild. They do not care about the mess they have made of the jwirr Aug 2014 #35

Good idea and it looks like the world is finally waking up malaise Aug 2014 #9

Hmmm, a very interesting question to contemplate! - n/t mazzarro Aug 2014 #20

Looked it up and found this from July 28th aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #50

Maybe if we gave Gaza a missile defense system too. B Calm Aug 2014 #4

it's not very likely to happen... but... Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #6

When does Egypt bombard Gaza? JVS Aug 2014 #7

They shut one border muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #11

Mostly for the aid US gives Egypt to maintain its peace treaty with Israel - n/t mazzarro Aug 2014 #24

Israel likely to use "Samson option"... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #8

The world, especially the Arab world, hates Hamas more hack89 Aug 2014 #14

Almost all of South America has withdrawn diplomats. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #15

No surprise there. former9thward Aug 2014 #18

We are talking about countries with global power hack89 Aug 2014 #23

Hamas isn't the issue, and by the end of this, as happened with Lebanon, Hamas is sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #22

Look at the slaughter in the ME beyond Gaza hack89 Aug 2014 #26

We caused a lot of that over decades of supporting Dictators. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #28

You need to seperate the leadership from the citizens, if you have not, you're Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #33

Arab leaders are either kings or despots hack89 Aug 2014 #37

No, what I am trying to tell you is the leadership does not represent their citizens views Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #38

No shit hack89 Aug 2014 #45

Well, that was not reflective in your comment I responded to, you seem to have been under the Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #49

The Palestinians pay a high price for their choices hack89 Aug 2014 #53

Hamas's Choices: Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #54

They could completely renounce violence and recognize Israel oberliner Aug 2014 #64

The fact that no one wants to see. They're tired of Hamas and despise Iran. 7962 Aug 2014 #34

Realistically speaking, I believe that the Israel's military exploitations ladjf Aug 2014 #16

Yes , they need MORE rockets...firing 2600 isn't enough. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #17

Did you read my post, or only the title, which you then misinterpreted? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #39

Not going to happen... the Saudis want Hamas finished off... JCMach1 Aug 2014 #19

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #21

That was the case, but there is a shift in the attitude of the US this time. And in sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #25

Enjoy your stay. L0oniX Aug 2014 #31

I wish I could count how many times that was told to me IronGate Aug 2014 #58

Enjoy your stay. L0oniX Aug 2014 #60

Just about as I figured. IronGate Aug 2014 #62

Maybe start with a donation to Oxfam? oberliner Aug 2014 #27

Money doesn't stop Israel from controlling the aid sent muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #40

With the current emergency situation going on in Gaza oberliner Aug 2014 #41

That has not solved the problem in the past 14 years, we need a new approach muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #44

Not sure the new approach should be an "international armed aid operation" oberliner Aug 2014 #47

Someone has to stand up to the arms that Israel uses muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #48

Who would distribute the aid on the Gaza side? oberliner Aug 2014 #51

UNRWA needs a way of getting everything in without the Israelis controlling it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #52

"People can't live on money" oberliner Aug 2014 #59

Hey, you're free to go join the terror org Hamas, IronGate Aug 2014 #55

I'm glad to know you're no longer armed muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #56

Oh, I'm still armed, privately and with the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve. IronGate Aug 2014 #57

Past time madokie Aug 2014 #29

You ask for armed intervention against Israel. philly_bob Aug 2014 #32

No, this would be delivery of humanitarian aid direct to Gaza muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #43

Flotillas would be crazy. Moreover, remember the humanitarian crisis WE CAUSED IN IRAQ?? WinkyDink Aug 2014 #36

It wouldn't have to be the US doing it. Turkey looks likely to try, already muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #42

No, just that we have no moral high ground. But rest assured: Israel remembers Masada. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #75

It could be done without open conflict. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #46

You see this happening with Israel's cooperation? oberliner Aug 2014 #63

Not so much cooperation as dragging them into the party. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #66

Several hundred truckloads of aid cross into Gaza every day oberliner Aug 2014 #67

Then why the suggestion for armed international flotillas to go to Gaza? Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #68

Not sure oberliner Aug 2014 #69

The difference between what is being done vs what it might be time for is. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #70

I can't tell if we are agreeing or disagreeing oberliner Aug 2014 #73

To me it seemed, the OP assumed relief supplies were not being given to or not reaching Gaza Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #74

Supplies do not 'pour in' to Gaza, ever muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #80

Your link is outdated oberliner Aug 2014 #82

Amnesty International, July 2014: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #87

I still say a peaceful way can be found. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #84

It wouldn't be an 'overreach of force' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Aug 2014 #71

Sure, if someone feels like declaring war on the U.S. Enrique Aug 2014 #61

For what it's worth... oberliner Aug 2014 #65

And you know this to be cornball 24 Aug 2014 #79

How about the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East? oberliner Aug 2014 #81

Thank you. cornball 24 Aug 2014 #86

Israel is concerned with weapons and the diversion of construction materials. hack89 Aug 2014 #72

So, intervention in Gaza: GOOD. Intervention in Syria: BAD. brooklynite Aug 2014 #76

Intervention in Gaza is possible; part of it already happens muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #77

Russia vetoes UN intervention in Syria. The US will veto any UN intervention in Gaza. pampango Aug 2014 #78

yes, it's always time for war 2pooped2pop Aug 2014 #83