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47. It is OWS all over again

Thu Jul 24, 2014, 11:28 PM

Jul 2014

Noisy, trendy and ineffective. The reality is that Israel's economy is doing well and companies have absolutely no problem getting all the investment capital they need.

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What body count is Israel looking for this go round? They are at 1000 and counting... [View all] morningfog Jul 2014 OP

A tiny fraction of what Hamas dreams of one day inflicting on the Jews. Nt hack89 Jul 2014 #1

So, what's your number? morningfog Jul 2014 #2

The Holocaust started as a demented dream hack89 Jul 2014 #5

the holocaust dude? really? frylock Jul 2014 #11

Yet, compare how many each has killed. morningfog Jul 2014 #12

Hamas appears dug in for a long fight hack89 Jul 2014 #17

Thank you, as a pro-Israel poster for having the candor of putting a number, morningfog Jul 2014 #20

So why is Hamas shooting rockets hack89 Jul 2014 #23

You and Israel have yet to offer an objective that fits the means. morningfog Jul 2014 #33

So once Hamas gets what they want through violence hack89 Jul 2014 #41

Israel will do just that, eventually. morningfog Jul 2014 #42

And killing civilians by the hundreds *doesn't* send the message that violence is the answer? nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #77

The alternative is to simply sit there and take as many rockets as Hamas wants to shoot? hack89 Jul 2014 #84

Israel could negotiate in good faith with Abbas muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #116

So there are two separate Palestinian governments that hate each other hack89 Jul 2014 #118

Yes, it is Israel's job muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #124

So they make a deal with Abbas and Hamas rejects it hack89 Jul 2014 #125

The Palestinians would turn against them muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #126

So there is a bloody civil war in Gaza that Hamas brutally suppresses hack89 Jul 2014 #127

And Israel prefers it that way (the parties in power since 2001, anyway) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #128

Only Hamas can control what Hamas does hack89 Jul 2014 #129

It's Israel that treats Palestinians like children muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #130

Nor has Hamas offered an objective that fits their means.... George II Jul 2014 #161

Israelis bomb schools, hospitals and refugee shelters. That is not even in dispute. morningfog Jul 2014 #181

True, that's not in dispute.... George II Jul 2014 #183

Who said he is brave? morningfog Jul 2014 #184

When was the last time the IDF planted a car bomb? George II Jul 2014 #185

They don't need to. They have the US bankrolling their "legitimate" bombs, which hit schools, morningfog Jul 2014 #188

Which they only use to respond to rocket attacks..... George II Jul 2014 #190

Israel is the only party responsible for killing the civilians it kills. Period. morningfog Jul 2014 #224

Hamas is the only party responsible for killing the civilians it kills, comma.... George II Jul 2014 #225

Likud. bravenak Jul 2014 #226

For the same reason that kids kick the back of the driver's seat when eridani Jul 2014 #90

So one solution is for Israel to withdraw hack89 Jul 2014 #92

Since 2000 rockets have one casualty, yes, they should just take the rockets eridani Jul 2014 #95

The rockets were a response to Hamas' increased isolation hack89 Jul 2014 #98

Israel should just stop it's campaign of ethnic cleansing and land theft eridani Jul 2014 #99

Maybe the Israelis should give back Gaza as a good will measure to build trust ..oh wait. hack89 Jul 2014 #101

The Prime Minister who disengaged from Gaza is dead, his chief rival is now Prime Minister Hippo_Tron Jul 2014 #222

This inversion of reality no longer works malaise Jul 2014 #24

Are you okay with that? Did the children of Palestine have anything to do with sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #26

2000 rockets and only one casualty? Gimme a break! n/t eridani Jul 2014 #80

it seems to me Israel's over all strategy is to dominate/subjugate/humiliate or 2banon Jul 2014 #64

The Palestinian birth rate is higher than the number they kill every few years. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #107

excellent point. I think you're analysis is more accurate.. 2banon Jul 2014 #132

Some figures: muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #121

Thank you. 2banon Jul 2014 #133

Bibi enid602 Jul 2014 #155

but it's easy to dismiss Hamas, and the feeling of moral superiority is addictive and tempting Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #28

check the body count and get back frylock Jul 2014 #62

I don't need to. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #69

happy to help frylock Jul 2014 #131

Whereas the Likud charter in the 70's is full of love and peace? BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #159

Hamas isn't the Nazi Party atreides1 Jul 2014 #201

The blockade is responsible for that hack89 Jul 2014 #204

No doubt... kentuck Jul 2014 #3

The Israelis have given Palestinians a lot of reasons to want to repay them with interest. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #4

There is nothing Israel can do to placate the radicals hack89 Jul 2014 #7

Baloney. Israel does everything is can to make MORE radicals. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #9

This is the thing we all need to remember, from the start of the whole thing, so many years ago... Bettie Jul 2014 #56

And they will never achieve that goal. morningfog Jul 2014 #16

Ensure Hamas never gets strong enough to threaten Israel's survival hack89 Jul 2014 #18

That is so ambiguous as to be meaningless. morningfog Jul 2014 #22

Hamas will never embrace peace hack89 Jul 2014 #29

Israel will not ever achieve that and they (and you) know it. morningfog Jul 2014 #37

But Israel can never give Hamas what they want hack89 Jul 2014 #50

You act like all Palestinians are Hamas. morningfog Jul 2014 #63

Hamas is in control hack89 Jul 2014 #81

Perhaps Israel should stop targeting children, schools, hospitals and shelters. morningfog Jul 2014 #83

"They are religious fundamentalists." So are Israel's leaders, by and large. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #78

"Keep knocking them down until they get the message that violence will not work." Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #27

Hamas want the eradication of Israel hack89 Jul 2014 #30

And I want to date Robert Redford eridani Jul 2014 #94

But you haven't been stalking Robert Redford for decades hack89 Jul 2014 #96

Well Said. 2banon Jul 2014 #68

+1000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #186

The most powerful military in the Middle East and the only one with nuclear weapons. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #61

your logic here is so deeply flawed, that it's actually funny, if it weren't so tragic. 2banon Jul 2014 #67

You've lost all touch with reality cpwm17 Jul 2014 #19

That is rich coming from you hack89 Jul 2014 #21

One is saying it while the other is doing it malaise Jul 2014 #25

That is what happens in wars hack89 Jul 2014 #34

I don't doubt that Hamas holds that position. morningfog Jul 2014 #40

Israel can never give Hamas what they desire hack89 Jul 2014 #44

Yet you don't seem to care how many Palestinian lives are "sacrificed." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #79

Over the last almost seventy years Israel has given them every reason to state that as a goal cpwm17 Jul 2014 #51

^^^ HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #54

Nice rant. Well done hack89 Jul 2014 #86

Israel and you know that is an empty threat... Spazito Jul 2014 #53

They're not lying. It's their 840high Jul 2014 #59

That's nonsense and more and more that is how the world is seeing these talking points. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #31

The world routinely ignores greater slaughters hack89 Jul 2014 #36

You need to pay more attention to what the world reaction to this is. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #45

It is OWS all over again hack89 Jul 2014 #47

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OWS is a spent force in America hack89 Jul 2014 #85

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An invisible force with invisible results. hack89 Jul 2014 #135

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But trendy ineffective social movements are relevant hack89 Jul 2014 #138

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You too. nt hack89 Jul 2014 #143

To answer your question Sabrina Caretha Jul 2014 #114

The hatred and loathing of Israel must be pretty strong to seemingly Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #38

Don't waste your time trying that 'hatred for Israel' routine. It is shock and horror at the Far sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #46

Hamas is far right too, very, very far right are they not? Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #48

Our tax dollars are not funding Hamas, Hamas has zero influence over this government sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #55

I dream of no longer seeing these posts on DU Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #87

That's roughly equivalent to me dreaming about dating Robert Redford eridani Jul 2014 #91

Either Hamas believes their charter or they don't hack89 Jul 2014 #93

If all those powerful countries want to give them advanced weapons, why haven't they done so? eridani Jul 2014 #97

Because of the blockade hack89 Jul 2014 #100

Still, some should have gotten through, right? eridani Jul 2014 #103

"Hamas Firing China-Designed, Syria-Made M-302 Rockets" hack89 Jul 2014 #105

"Dominated by crode homemade devices" Read your own reference. eridani Jul 2014 #108

Because the blockade is effective hack89 Jul 2014 #109

If it did that and ended the land and resource theft as well. Hamas would no longer have support eridani Jul 2014 #111

What does popular support have to do with it? hack89 Jul 2014 #113

Interesting. You think Arabs are incapable of self-governance? morningfog Jul 2014 #137

Point out to me a model Arab democracy hack89 Jul 2014 #139

In other words, popular support is critical to equation. morningfog Jul 2014 #141

No. Corralling the crazies so that popular support of moderate views is possible is what is needed hack89 Jul 2014 #142

In other words, the Palestinian civilians that have been killed by Israel are innocent morningfog Jul 2014 #144

Yes. They are caught in the cross fire hack89 Jul 2014 #145

Then Israel commits war crimes by knowingly and intentionally killing them. morningfog Jul 2014 #146

It is not that straight forward hack89 Jul 2014 #147

Israel did not create Hamas hack89 Jul 2014 #123

Care to look up the Likud charter? BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #160

So supporting Israel = right winger? hack89 Jul 2014 #162

Unambiguously endorsing Likud positions makes you a Likud supporter BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #163

What does your support of Hamas make you? nt hack89 Jul 2014 #164

Sadly BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #165

Hamas needs to stop shooting rockets hack89 Jul 2014 #166

I bid you BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #167

The order of events goes back to 2007 hack89 Jul 2014 #168

I said in this situation BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #169

They are in an impossible situation hack89 Jul 2014 #170

So BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #171

Wars are ugly hack89 Jul 2014 #172

Ok? BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #173

They are the aggressors in this situation hack89 Jul 2014 #174

I think my point BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #175

Those right wingers gave Gaza to the Palestinians hack89 Jul 2014 #177

Kind of missing the larger picture here BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #179

The settlements are illegal hack89 Jul 2014 #180

Rocket attacks BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #189

There were rocket attacks every month for 18 months - is that clear to you? hack89 Jul 2014 #191

read the article BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #192

Bull shit hack89 Jul 2014 #193

They aren't an organized national army BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #194

They are the elected government of Gaza hack89 Jul 2014 #195

They did BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #196

Yes - that is what responsible governments do hack89 Jul 2014 #197

By this logic BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #198

They can arrest the shooters after the fact hack89 Jul 2014 #199

That would risk a further fragmentation BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #200

So the IDF doesn't have to reduce their strikes to zero? hack89 Jul 2014 #202

Huh? BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #203

So Hamas is not a true government? Is that what I am hearing? hack89 Jul 2014 #205

I'm saying governments often have a difficult time rounding up factions BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #206

But the rockets have to stop, correct? hack89 Jul 2014 #207

Would this also apply to Mexico? BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #208

Yes. Nt hack89 Jul 2014 #210

Lol BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #213

No reason to invade - not until they start shooting rockets at US cites hack89 Jul 2014 #215

?? BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #216

Crime is not an act of war hack89 Jul 2014 #217

Yep BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #218

There are DEA agents in Mexico hack89 Jul 2014 #219

They can't BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #221

Then Hamas better get their shit together hack89 Jul 2014 #223

What about the tunnels into Israel? hack89 Jul 2014 #220

You must be kidding? Alittleliberal Jul 2014 #227

Not the blockade hack89 Jul 2014 #228

Sucks that Israel created Hamas Reter Jul 2014 #119

Sucks that the Palestinians choose them to be their leaders. hack89 Jul 2014 #120

That is not really true hack89 Jul 2014 #122

This isn't about eradicating Hamas. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #6

Hamas is to the Israel hardliners as Al Qaeda is to the American Military-Industrial Complex. Maedhros Jul 2014 #72

This ^^^^^^^ treestar Jul 2014 #209

Hamas made Israel do this? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #8

Shhhh! You are not supposed to know this! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #13

They blame the victims RobertEarl Jul 2014 #32

lol...nice U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #74

What is the source of that report? George II Jul 2014 #158

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Absolutely. THey have a number of dead in mind. They'll only stop when they think morningfog Jul 2014 #14

Unfortunately, given the subservience of the US to Israeli policy, BillZBubb Jul 2014 #15

If they don't already have the American drones... kentuck Jul 2014 #35

Exactly, mostly I blame the US for this. Without the US support for just about sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #39

Agreed. It makes no sense. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #43

AIPAC is just another lobbying group. I agree our politicians are in fear of opposing sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #49

They have access to our communications lofty1 Jul 2014 #156

That would seem to be a security breach, wouldn't it? Why not fix it? sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #157

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They most likely want to please the majority of voters. EX500rider Jul 2014 #148

several reasons. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #152

A DU member once gave an accounting of how much aid we gave to UAE states and to truedelphi Jul 2014 #178

It's despicable, billions spent on killing people overseas, and they fight like crazy to deny sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #182

^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Jul 2014 #229

Israel wants to pound Hamas into submission. oldandhappy Jul 2014 #57

Netanyahu doesn't realize or doesn't care about the damage he is doing to Israel's standing in thr hrmjustin Jul 2014 #60

i agree, Netanyahu needs to go , he is like dragging down the country like Bush did here JI7 Jul 2014 #65

^^THIS^^ Major Hogwash Jul 2014 #73

There are about 6,000,000 Jews in Israel/Palestine, and about 6,000,000 Arabs in Israel/Palestine DemocraticWing Jul 2014 #66

hmm, that's an interesting point. 2banon Jul 2014 #70

...is a shit question much like Bonobo Jul 2014 #71

It is a legitimate question. Board_Commentary Jul 2014 #149

I will tell you why it is shit instead. Bonobo Jul 2014 #150

I get what you are saying now. Board_Commentary Jul 2014 #151

No, I think there is a number of dead that beyond which it is no longer politically morningfog Jul 2014 #154

I have heard that they are going for 1500 before they stop 4now Jul 2014 #75

They could try blowing up planes, trains, and automobiles, like the Palestinians have done. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #89

I also wonder how many civilian deaths the U.S. will allow to pile up Lodestar Jul 2014 #76

Yes, and only a minority of DU members support that form of murder by the US cpwm17 Jul 2014 #212

well...last onslaught the death toll was 1400, and this one is said to be more widespread... nt ellenrr Jul 2014 #82

Your first paragraph is absurd. But you at least acknowledge that Hamas is not legitimate. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #88

Unfortunately Israel legitimizes Hamas. morningfog Jul 2014 #102

'Israel' is sloppy wording. There are quite a few pro-peace Israelis Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #104

Fair point. I take issue when all Palistinians are lumped morningfog Jul 2014 #106

Israel solved the suicide bombings of their pizza shops seveneyes Jul 2014 #110

By killing more innocent Palestinian citizens? justiceischeap Jul 2014 #112

Do I have to Turbineguy Jul 2014 #115

2,000,000 MythosMaster Jul 2014 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #153

Holocaust! Anti-Semite! DisgustedTX Jul 2014 #176

Also, have you seen that NOVEL?! woo me with science Jul 2014 #187

The war will go on until Hamas is either unwilling or unable to continue firing rockets. WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #211

Nonsense. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #214