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89. All information should be released, no evidence should be tampered with.

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #88)

Sat Jul 19, 2014, 06:30 PM

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Americas exceptional hypocrisy - some remember Iran Air flight 655 [View all] Fred Sanders Jul 2014 OP

Worth a read. Agschmid Jul 2014 #1

Indeed. There is nothing new under the sun. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #3

LIES first ("plane off course"). Then DISGUSTING LIES (Indeed, the very SAME: "already-dead victims" WinkyDink Jul 2014 #2

Thanks for the reminder. (eom) CanSocDem Jul 2014 #4

The world needs an international Apology Act, admit your guilt, get a break,,,,, Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #5

A global truth and reconciliation conference malaise Jul 2014 #12

Fuck, that would be awesome, the line of apology makers would be endless as history. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #13

oh for pity's sake: "nations without clean hands should not throw the first stones" cali Jul 2014 #6

Nations who throw missiles at commercial jets should not throw stones? Much better, thanks. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #7

Yeah, but lets attempt to be honest. American hypocrisy reaches scary heights. CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #8

Dirty, dirty hands, dirty and hypocritical with a long, long list..... Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #9

+1 NealK Jul 2014 #63

I also remember Cubana 455 malaise Jul 2014 #10

Apparently being dead for 26 years means we should not consider the parallels relevant...? Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #24

The double standards are breath-taking malaise Jul 2014 #25

Lesson: Even well-trained, well-equipped militaries make mistakes. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #11

That comes closest to my viewpoint. I think the OP is wrong-headed stevenleser Jul 2014 #18

20 years brings us to 1994 daleo Jul 2014 #23

Its a long time ago to try to deflect blame for something. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #26

Why don't you supply us with the logical cut off date? Not that it matters anyway, I mean A Simple Game Jul 2014 #68

Who said the targeting of this Malaysian airliner was intentional? TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #86

Who said it was intentional? Half of the posts on DU say it was targeted because it was mistaken A Simple Game Jul 2014 #92

It was intentionally shot down, but I haven't seen reports or suggestions that TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #93

Supposed sins? No sense of this conversation continuing even if you could shake all of that A Simple Game Jul 2014 #94

I think StevenLeser is wrong-headed. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #79

Well said, and time passing of 20 years makes it less relevant because.......it does not. That was Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #95

I disagree Caretha Jul 2014 #98

Who gave the Syrian rebels their weapons? malaise Jul 2014 #29

Well, to be fair, Putin gives Assad a lot of backing and arms. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #31

FFS - the West is in Syria like white on rice malaise Jul 2014 #33

I know it's painful for you, but sometimes you have to admit that the US is not the TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #35

Look there are many positives about the US malaise Jul 2014 #43

Painful to even contemplate for some, others contemplating openly is almost as bad to them. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #45

"nothing Putin has done is in the league of what America did in Iraq" EX500rider Jul 2014 #49

We could post and counter post war pictures former9thward Jul 2014 #62

Putin is George W. Bush. Actually, Dick Cheney. I'm fine with that, I hate them both. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #87

Yeah, Putin's a monster when it comes to Gay People and journalists who cross him.. and now he's Cha Jul 2014 #104

Putin's just a poor misunderstood asshole dictator.. It's "The West!!" you have to watch out for. nm Cha Jul 2014 #107

It's very telling, how much energy goes into defending Putin and making sure we all know TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #111

And we gave weapons to TERRROISTS in Libya, followed up on that disaster lately or is 'out of sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #102

The British had a plan to arm and train Syrian 100,000 rebels, but it was scrapped TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #110

Ok, fine bluestateguy Jul 2014 #14

Criticism is fine, just do not throw stones as if never having done exactly the same before. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #15

I look forward to seeing your list bluestateguy Jul 2014 #20

Please explain what you mean by "throwing stones" if that does not include criticism. Coventina Jul 2014 #21

Sorry, gotta go and mow the lawn and turn over some stones....lot of rain here lately. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #27

Of course you do! Coventina Jul 2014 #28

And who can forget the Russian shoot down of Korean Air Lines Flight 007? NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #16

Ok, seriously? Savannahmann Jul 2014 #17

America can cast the second stone, we good? And the victims of Iran Air are just as dead today as Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #19

Actually, we didn't do something similar. Our military made the mistake-- TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #40

Actually, we were not held accountable. mbperrin Jul 2014 #51

Actually, we were--it was our military that was undeniably involved, whether or not TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #55

There were no mitigating circumstances. As part of the payout, we accepted and were assigned no mbperrin Jul 2014 #58

I'm not getting your point. Did the US say "It was a planeload of dead zombie people" TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #65

Well, the Iran flight was shot down in 1988, and the court action mbperrin Jul 2014 #74

I don't think we denied we did it. The controversy seemed to be whether or not TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #84

What's the hurry? There's an 8 year timeline. mbperrin Jul 2014 #99

Your condescension aside, it doesn't take a legal genius TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #100

I wasn't being condescending at all, I was inviting you to check with a trusted source mbperrin Jul 2014 #101

Your argument is morally bankrupt. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #81

Might makes right, my father told me, and who is mightier and therefore more right than America? Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #82

That's almost as funny as "Money is Speech". BillZBubb Jul 2014 #83

Here is an interesting article about civilian plane shoot downs daleo Jul 2014 #22

IIRC, the US paid $190 million to the victim's families. n/t FSogol Jul 2014 #30

Never admitted it, no apologies.....kind of like American banks and how they pay for their crimes. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #32

Nope, less than a third of that. mbperrin Jul 2014 #52

I'm sure this will make the families of the passengers of Flight MH17 feel so much better. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #34

Straw man alert! Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #37

Alert that you don't know what a straw man is!!!! stevenleser Jul 2014 #41

I know, right? Coventina Jul 2014 #44

Lawn was too wet and full of stones.....I digress... Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #47

Nah, he should just pay 200k to each victim's family along with mbperrin Jul 2014 #53

It's the UK's fault that Jean d Arc was burnt at the stake, so they cant prosecute anyone for murder stevenleser Jul 2014 #36

Straw man double yellow alert, mixed with red herrings. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #38

You're just being an apologist for the UK stake burners!!!!11!11!!!!! nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #39

You do realize that it was in France, right? mbperrin Jul 2014 #54

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That explains why he's always so "fair and balanced". NealK Jul 2014 #67

Done by the English in France. Coventina Jul 2014 #61

To be even more clear, mbperrin Jul 2014 #71

The French burned Jeanne D'Arc?... SidDithers Jul 2014 #70

What were we all talking about again? Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #72

Glad I could help. mbperrin Jul 2014 #75

Say, have you bothered to voice your disapproval of what Putin's thugs have been doing? geek tragedy Jul 2014 #42

Crickets.. Cha Jul 2014 #90

I'm surprised no one has brought up the tragedy of Korean Air Lines Flight 007.. Cha Jul 2014 #105

If I remember this correctly... perdita9 Jul 2014 #46

The guided missile cruiser was state of the art, bristling with surveillance technology...hard to Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #48

"how do Ukrainian guerrilla fighters stack up?" EX500rider Jul 2014 #50

I think the Ukrainian army has some, maybe someone stole one? Working theory only. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #57

I remember and I knew the press would ignore it. Because if we do it, it is a "Sorry." McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #56

That says it about as well as I have seen. mbperrin Jul 2014 #59

Did you really just say "All other countries AND TERRORIST CELLS never make a mistake"? TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #85

How would evidence Kieve air control diverted the flight path to take it over the war zone play Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #88

All information should be released, no evidence should be tampered with. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #89

Here are some interesting maps on language and voting - East ?Ukraine in solidly Russian speaking Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #64

If you expect an apology from the US sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #66

I'm not sure what the point is. kjones Jul 2014 #69

What about the actual perpetrators? Those who are/were "just following orders"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #73

Yes, that would be the Self-defence forces of the Donetsk People’s Republic FrodosPet Jul 2014 #77

America got Israel's planes, tanks and weapons operational also......and given for near free. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #78

Excellent OP Fred. Thanks so much for posting this, indeed. eom Purveyor Jul 2014 #76

The thing is I think Putin is a bad man, not a monster, but monster it must be....or else. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #80

That's sweet you're sticking up for Putin not being a monster because first of all the Cha Jul 2014 #103

were the Germans Hypocrites for criticizing BUsh on Iraq because of their history ? JI7 Jul 2014 #91

No, Germany has fully apologized for what they have done. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #96

Rachel Maddow on this: recommended. The Russians have done this repeatedly; the US, once Hekate Jul 2014 #97

Sorry, Bad USA-Russia needs Pity.. Yeah, Rachel didn't follow that thinking last night.. she Cha Jul 2014 #106

She said of Russia's statements every time they've done this: "Here comes the crazy." Hekate Jul 2014 #108

I know how exciting that must be to realize it's RAINING when you need it so Cha Jul 2014 #109