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nomorenomore08

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111. Actually it doesn't. I doubt any decline in real numbers is as dramatic as some claim.

Sun Jul 13, 2014, 07:04 PM

Jul 2014

Violent crime rates as a whole are about half what they were 20-25 years ago. Other than that, I have no particular reason to suspect that sexual assault rates have greatly declined - and I tend to think they haven't, at least not by 60%.

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Horrifying New Details On the 'Viral' Rape of 16-Year-Old Jada [View all] BainsBane Jul 2014 OP

When and HOW did rape become not only acceptable angstlessk Jul 2014 #1

The internet and Social media have made it worse BainsBane Jul 2014 #3

Are you telling me, what I used to believe... angstlessk Jul 2014 #4

I don't know about that BainsBane Jul 2014 #5

I get it....if you know your rapist...it's not rape angstlessk Jul 2014 #6

sorry, as a victim this disgusts me TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #81

It's not about you...it is about someone who would rape angstlessk Jul 2014 #172

But one of those victims you don't want to disgrace is telling you she objects to that. Squinch Jul 2014 #176

Wise words BainsBane Jul 2014 #186

I don't think you "get it" joeglow3 Jul 2014 #183

I do say call any man who rapes an unconscious woman a necrophiliac angstlessk Jul 2014 #184

That is not what I responding to joeglow3 Jul 2014 #185

I've always heard other inmates hate baby rapists justiceischeap Jul 2014 #32

no idea what led you to believe that TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #80

It has not become more "acceptable" YarnAddict Jul 2014 #10

Well, they don't seem to be dealing with it now. historylovr Jul 2014 #24

Males will never YarnAddict Jul 2014 #36

Really? "Males will never understand rape." That's a pretty broad brush you're waving around. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #41

Thanks for the points!!! YarnAddict Jul 2014 #45

Do you discount men being raped? uppityperson Jul 2014 #46

Oops! YarnAddict Jul 2014 #48

So you discount men who are raped? tymorial Jul 2014 #113

this was the obvious. a lot of our boys. some of our men. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #51

Not all men, or perhaps even most BainsBane Jul 2014 #110

Wow. Someone needs to tell these guys they're wasting their time... hughee99 Jul 2014 #42

i left it to men to challenge. thrilled to see two. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #43

Gang rape is now a sporting event to prove who is the boldest or most virile. freshwest Jul 2014 #105

it is a popular porn our boys are being raised on. real or simulated doesnt matter. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #107

But it *does* matter to victims... The line is being crossed... Fantasies become reality. freshwest Jul 2014 #120

it stimulates a want, it validates a behavior. and some is real rape our boys seabeyond Jul 2014 #123

You NAILED it......listen people Stargazer99 Jul 2014 #181

Men are taught to be rapists, they are not born with such behavior. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #149

The only way men will ever understand rape Aerows Jul 2014 #156

our girls may understand it is rape, but it has not preogressed yet to the men, courts, judges and seabeyond Jul 2014 #26

Men will never understand it YarnAddict Jul 2014 #31

It is now more acceptable to TALK about it. It used to be the victims were shamed into silence. nt raccoon Jul 2014 #180

You're right! YarnAddict Jul 2014 #182

today it is entertainment, in our tv shows, our movies, our songs and we feed it to our boys seabeyond Jul 2014 #12

These crimes are actually decreasing if you go by the statistics davidn3600 Jul 2014 #29

there are all kinds of reasons for the bogus numbers and the audacity of a man to walk into this seabeyond Jul 2014 #30

Spot-on and True. .. Stargleamer Jul 2014 #39

the numbers are bogus. that simple. a lie. and it is proven time and again. seabeyond Jul 2014 #40

Rape, as reported by victimization surveys, is down. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #44

another comes in to champion less rape, rah, in a thread 16 yr old drugged, raped, video distributed seabeyond Jul 2014 #47

Thanks for bringing this article here seabeyond... prairierose Jul 2014 #62

i have to start bookmarking this shit cause regularly the few guys have to come into rape threads to seabeyond Jul 2014 #66

You and me both...I always.. prairierose Jul 2014 #78

it's a constant refrain BainsBane Jul 2014 #79

And someone is whining about it. ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #97

Ugh. MerryBlooms Jul 2014 #122

actually, seeing a reply to that post, i was fearful that is exactly what i was going to address. seabeyond Jul 2014 #124

So what if "rape is down"? That doesn't debunk that rape culture exists, alp227 Jul 2014 #50

What a bunch of hogwash. Even a cursory reading indicates the decline is figured by counting as retread Jul 2014 #56

You obviously didn't read what was posted. This is a victimization survey. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #84

you obviously did not read my post that state unequivocally that the NVCS numbers are bogus. seabeyond Jul 2014 #99

Is that supposed to make a difference to Jada BainsBane Jul 2014 #57

i feel differently. you feel differently. most reasonable humans feel differently than the dismissal seabeyond Jul 2014 #58

Her life isn't important BainsBane Jul 2014 #60

i wont accept the premise of a lie. we do not know all the fuckin manipulation over the years with seabeyond Jul 2014 #61

not really sure what your point is ...? etherealtruth Jul 2014 #63

why the fuck do you think this is relevant to this thread? Kali Jul 2014 #117

exactly. and they got what they wanted. look at the percentage dealing with their fictional numbers seabeyond Jul 2014 #128

Anything but talking about the girl herself BainsBane Jul 2014 #132

too often she does not even make it to importance of a number on a chart. that is the issue with seabeyond Jul 2014 #134

Very true. And that is why they use them so much BainsBane Jul 2014 #136

Precisely BainsBane Jul 2014 #131

both posts by davidn and grumpy were kept in narrow 3-4 decisions. nt alp227 Jul 2014 #65

If that doesn't demonstrate the problem on this site, nothing will. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #69

Yeah, the fact that posts with nothing but FACTS get alerted on suggests a real problem. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #94

Post something on under reporting like this ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #98

he ignores posts so he can post the bogus numbers again, in the future, for the next horrendous seabeyond Jul 2014 #100

Huh. ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #103

it is a tell. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #104

You aren't the only one that has noticed that tactic. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #145

good to know laundry queen. seabeyond Jul 2014 #146

Enjoy your book laundry_queen Jul 2014 #147

Spare me. "facts"....just like Fox's "facts" have no place on DU. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #125

so we educate, and sometimes, get the hide. i get it. sometimes, it will be worth it. seabeyond Jul 2014 #70

It's a sad reflection on this board that posts that attempt to use actual facts get alerted on. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #83

Some people feel they need to prove a crisis exists in order to justify their outrage davidn3600 Jul 2014 #85

and who here has said that a crisis exists? alp227 Jul 2014 #88

The first thing you could do BainsBane Jul 2014 #101

well said. but then, there would have to be compassion for rape victims, and the tell is... seabeyond Jul 2014 #106

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #138

Thanks for making clear that you really aren't interested BainsBane Jul 2014 #139

Im not going to sit here and debate this with you AGAIN because it goes nowhere davidn3600 Jul 2014 #148

Jury results on this post. Codeine Jul 2014 #150

This is a thread about one young girl BainsBane Jul 2014 #155

why in the world would women ignore a man dismissing this girl. drugged, raped, rape porn distribute seabeyond Jul 2014 #141

Note, he says that while in MY thread BainsBane Jul 2014 #143

both you and comrade ignore facts... you know, FACTS telling you these numbers are bogus, so you seabeyond Jul 2014 #102

These facts are from the Department of Justice! davidn3600 Jul 2014 #129

did you read ONE of the many posts given to YOU showing you how the number is bogus, how FBI states seabeyond Jul 2014 #137

How about reading some of the studies critiquing those numbers? BainsBane Jul 2014 #144

Something else you could do BainsBane Jul 2014 #114

wasnt there also a claim. ONE false claim and no man should be convicted. or better 100 rapist free seabeyond Jul 2014 #116

Probably. I don't recall it specifically. BainsBane Jul 2014 #121

I found the quote mentioned several times (once apparently in defense of Zimmerman!) redqueen Jul 2014 #159

yes. we do not hear, 99 murders should go free, before one is prosecuted. or any crime. rape. now, seabeyond Jul 2014 #161

It really says something that that quote gets trotted out redqueen Jul 2014 #171

No one is saying "rape is in the increase" here. alp227 Jul 2014 #86

It was in response to a reply davidn3600 Jul 2014 #89

Post #1 isn't the same as saying rape is "increasing". Worthless debate of semantics here. nt alp227 Jul 2014 #90

False and you know it. BainsBane Jul 2014 #96

+1 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #92

Either way, the rate is still appallingly high, 60% reduction or no. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #91

1 in 4-6 are raped today. 60% reduction? claiming 1 in 1.75, 2-3 were raped a couple decades ago? seabeyond Jul 2014 #109

Actually it doesn't. I doubt any decline in real numbers is as dramatic as some claim. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #111

i do not know if they are up or down. at least i am honest enough to state, i do not know. seabeyond Jul 2014 #115

I agree that bringing it into this thread - which is about one young girl's horrific ordeal - nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #119

the fact is, it is that bad, when dealing with a male being raped. feminists are the first to stand seabeyond Jul 2014 #130

And you shouldn't. Basic human decency demands such a response. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #140

sigh..... seabeyond Jul 2014 #142

Precisely. And most people see exactly what the purpose is BainsBane Jul 2014 #158

This is about a young girl's life BainsBane Jul 2014 #108

I look at the statistics as OUR activism making a difference. anti partisan Jul 2014 #174

Unfortunately, it's difficult to know that BainsBane Jul 2014 #175

Unbelievable. liberalmuse Jul 2014 #157

Why would you even bring this up Texasgal Jul 2014 #160

I find the designations in that chart odd, I guess to leave out statutory rape? uppityperson Jul 2014 #33

Rape is without a doubt the most underreported of all violent crimes. 11 Bravo Jul 2014 #34

So does the US Department of justice etherealtruth Jul 2014 #67

i read straight from FBI stating, ... the numbers are bogus. there is no way to get these numbers. seabeyond Jul 2014 #72

Of course etherealtruth Jul 2014 #74

we had a poster state rape has dropped 87% in two decades. just think about that. 1 in 4-6 raped. seabeyond Jul 2014 #76

Dismiss, minimize, trivialize, infantalize and demonize etherealtruth Jul 2014 #77

Stats can and are cooked by police departments justiceischeap Jul 2014 #35

So? Doesn't dismiss the circumstances around Jada's rape alp227 Jul 2014 #49

Tell it to Jada BainsBane Jul 2014 #54

Precisely. Those graphs may be appropriate for another thread, but not this one. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #93

Hmmm, there is a reduction in the reporting .... etherealtruth Jul 2014 #64

"Forcible rape" is that like rape rape? laundry_queen Jul 2014 #68

it is like, doesnt count if drinking is involved. or a man, or other than vaginal, or under a seabeyond Jul 2014 #73

Yeah, I know laundry_queen Jul 2014 #75

It's "legitimate" rape BainsBane Jul 2014 #82

On the one hand, it is very possible that sexual assault has decreased along with violent crime nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #87

So... what's the distinction there, regarding "forcible rape?" Scootaloo Jul 2014 #112

drinking involved, not vaginal, men, children under 12.... seabeyond Jul 2014 #118

One's skin crawls n/t Scootaloo Jul 2014 #162

To be clear, those are rapes that did not count. Recently, FBI changed their definition of rape to seabeyond Jul 2014 #163

Yes, one of our stats fans BainsBane Jul 2014 #164

Is this an aasumption all the children raped are merely Lolita's seducing the rapist? seabeyond Jul 2014 #167

The point was they aren't "forced" physically BainsBane Jul 2014 #168

This is what I am getting at. Many many children are forced in horrible ways. This man must only see seabeyond Jul 2014 #169

What is the point of your posting this? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #135

Maybe you should show Jada this chart. liberalmuse Jul 2014 #153

How about self-deleting this. Ms. Toad Jul 2014 #170

So this didn't really happen? yardwork Jul 2014 #173

When it became profitable Aerows Jul 2014 #152

Disgisting. myrna minx Jul 2014 #2

ffs mercuryblues Jul 2014 #7

right. maybe if they call it what it is, not what it isnt, that could be an easy first step. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #13

Yea I hate that soft coating phrase "having sex". It's crime ...a felony. L0oniX Jul 2014 #16

yup. that is exactly it. "soft coating" to make more digestible, and seabeyond Jul 2014 #18

It's bad that the alleged perps are able to post this stuff online where it gets back to the victims mythology Jul 2014 #8

These boys are nothing more then sexual avebury Jul 2014 #9

+1000. Something to work towards. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #11

They need to be proseucted and sent to jail first BainsBane Jul 2014 #53

"having sex" No it's not. It's rape! L0oniX Jul 2014 #14

I know. That makes me angry every time. historylovr Jul 2014 #17

Add: 1st degree felony and crime. L0oniX Jul 2014 #19

Yes. historylovr Jul 2014 #25

20 years to life. Good start. mbperrin Jul 2014 #22

it is a part of our hip culture of entertainment. i am surprised, anyone would be surprised. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #27

Well, I'm old. 62. mbperrin Jul 2014 #166

I know. It's an outrage. smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #38

Not to draw false equivalencies or justify it in ANY way...but look Moostache Jul 2014 #15

rape fits right in to all those macho posturings, and i bet you did not do that on purpose. now, seabeyond Jul 2014 #20

Not really a new problem Generic Other Jul 2014 #71

I'm not accepting that. We and our society are not their enablers. L0oniX Jul 2014 #23

+1000 Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #55

Can't this evidence be used against them? delta17 Jul 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Jul 2014 #28

Wow. "rape...was shared and mocked" flvegan Jul 2014 #37

Unfortunately, this happens with some frequency BainsBane Jul 2014 #52

I find this repellent behavior so vile I am stunned. retread Jul 2014 #59

WTF is wrong with a certain proportion of the population? And it's not just younger folks nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #95

Not 'the American way.' It's world history. Rape to subjugate and destroy is a tool of war. And... freshwest Jul 2014 #187

Great post. And that book sounds like a really interesting, even important, read. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #188

With all our forensic tools, with our ability to track people's activity across the internet.... Oakenshield Jul 2014 #126

lack of will BainsBane Jul 2014 #127

we do not care. we hear to often from judges, from cops. boys will be boys. girls are not important. seabeyond Jul 2014 #133

This whole situation is horrifying Aerows Jul 2014 #151

Jada has the face of a baby BainsBane Jul 2014 #154

Almost makes one completely and permanently lose their faith in humanity stevenleser Jul 2014 #165

This should carry very harsh penalties get the red out Jul 2014 #177

like using the mail is BainsBane Jul 2014 #178

Exactly! get the red out Jul 2014 #179