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In reply to the discussion: Snowden (who really does, apparently, have epilepsy) helps an epileptic. [View all]grasswire
(50,130 posts)130. context: a thread from May27
Vattel (4,432 posts)
20. I hope they don't expect him to rot in a supermax prison for decades.
That would be crazy.
Response to Vattel (Reply #20)
Wed May 28, 2014, 07:20 AM
Star Member randome (21,078 posts)
90. Why would they? He deserves time but I would hope it wouldn't be excessive.
The man is very confused. Hopefully, if he doesn't try to deny what he did, he would get some leniency for that.
Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
Response to randome (Reply #90)
Wed May 28, 2014, 09:18 AM
Star Member msanthrope (24,799 posts)
97. Given his neurological disorder, I would think he'd qualify for medical pardon, and certainly would
be housed in a medical unit.
I haven't changed my avatar once in my 12 years of being on this site. Until now. It's time.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #97)
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:26 AM
Vattel (4,432 posts)
108. I didn't realize he was diagnosed with a neurological disorder.
Response to Vattel (Reply #108)
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:28 AM
Star Member msanthrope (24,799 posts)
109. Late onset seizure disorder is what he claimed to his bosses at BAH. Must suck, not being able to
drink in Mother Russia.
I haven't changed my avatar once in my 12 years of being on this site. Until now. It's time.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #109)
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:43 AM
Vattel (4,432 posts)
113. Why would that get you a medical pardon?
Response to Vattel (Reply #113)
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:50 AM
Star Member msanthrope (24,799 posts)
116. It might not. It might get him Butner. nt
I haven't changed my avatar once in my 12 years of being on this site. Until now. It's time.
Response to randome (Reply #90)
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:25 AM
Vattel (4,432 posts)
107. "The man is very confused." The smears never stop.
..........................BIG SNIP HERE
Response to ProSense (Original post)
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:04 PM
Star Member struggle4progress (79,856 posts)
4. Sure sounds to me like the poor kid has gone round the bend
Some of his early claims were weird -- such as his alleged ability to wiretap the President
And that fact -- that Greenwald, despite portraying himself as a journalist, decided it was important to squash release of the kid's "manifesto" as being too Unabomber-ish -- rather suggests that even Greenwald found some of Snowden's thinking too strange for public consumption
The evidence begins to indicate, I think, that the kid is a serial prevaricator: the question is whether his misrepresentations are deliberate or whether they are symptoms of some psychological disease
Give me the courage to change what I can change, the patience to accept what I cannot change, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of people I had to kill because they pissed me off -- St Francis, Revisited
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #4)
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:22 PM
grasswire (40,677 posts)
5. that is a disgusting assertion
....and I hope that some of the DU members who are offended by toxic use of mental illness as a way of discrediting someone will tell you how they feel about this, as well.
Response to grasswire (Reply #5)
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:44 PM
Star Member struggle4progress (79,856 posts)
9. What discredits him is his habit of saying things that are untrue. Less clear is whether
this behavior is under his control or not
Give me the courage to change what I can change, the patience to accept what I cannot change, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of people I had to kill because they pissed me off -- St Francis, Revisited
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:07 PM
grasswire (40,677 posts)
17. more insidious assertions of mental illness...
.....in those who question authority.
Shame on you.
..........BIG SNIP
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #55)
Wed May 28, 2014, 07:23 AM
Star Member treestar (50,494 posts)
91. Great post s4p
seems a new victim meme exists. Now we can't discuss mental illness.
Response to treestar (Reply #91)
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:48 AM
Star Member sabrina 1 (44,332 posts)
114. So, Whistle Blowers are 'mentally ill' now? But Bush's loyal NSA spies are perfectly sane!
Why are Bush's appointees still running the NSA? It's been nearly six years since we put a Democrat in the WH. Got any explanation as to why Bush's NSA is still in place?
You know, the one we caught spying on the American people which absolutely OUTRAGED the 'left' at the time??
Don't know about you, but this Liberal is still outraged by Bush's NSA, his best and most loyal buddy, Clapper who lied to Congress and that they are still spying on the American people.
Response to grasswire (Reply #5)
Wed May 28, 2014, 04:06 AM
Star Member msanthrope (24,799 posts)
83. The fact is that Snowden himself disclosed a late-onset seizure disorder that raises serious, and I
mean serious.....neurological concerns. Heck--we don't even know if it is a seizure disorder, or, another illness. You'd be surprised how many drugs treat seizures, and psychiatric symptoms.
The number-one leading cause of late onset seizure disorder is alcoholism. While that may not be the case with Snowden, I'd be damn, damn interested in reading the suppressed manifesto.
I haven't changed my avatar once in my 12 years of being on this site. Until now. It's time.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #83)
Wed May 28, 2014, 09:28 AM
grasswire (40,677 posts)
98. oh my god
And you are the parent of a child with a disability.
I am the parent of an adult child with seizure disorder. To insinuate that epileptics are mentally ill is outrageous. Just outrageous.
And it's ignorant, too.
Response to grasswire (Reply #98)
Wed May 28, 2014, 09:43 AM
Star Member msanthrope (24,799 posts)
102. I used the term "neurological" not "mental." As you are the parent of an adult
child with seizure disorder, I am sure you can appreciate the difference between the two, and I expect that you will apologize to me for implying that I do not.
I haven't changed my avatar once in my 12 years of being on this site. Until now. It's time.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #102)
Wed May 28, 2014, 09:59 AM
grasswire (40,677 posts)
104. "psychiatric symptoms", "alcoholism"
You conflated epilepsy with those disorders. Slyly, of course.
The notion that an epileptic should be suspected of one of those is akin to saying that autistic persons might be suffering from psychiatric symptoms or alcoholism.
See how outrageous and damaging that is?
Response to grasswire (Reply #104)
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:21 AM
Star Member msanthrope (24,799 posts)
105. I used "neurological" as opposed to "mental" precisely to avoid conflation. But there's no doubt
that's Mr. Snowden's bizarre and grandiose behavior, along with his prevarication, and frankly, silly claims, indicate that it's entirely possible that he is 1) lying about having epilepsy, or 2) co-morbid, or 3) a liar about epilepsy and yet suffers from something else.
Bizarre and grandiose behavior, which he has demonstrated, is a psychiatric symptom. Alcoholism is the leading cause of adult onset seizures. There are seizure medications prescribed for schizophrenia. These are all medical facts.
You wrote:
The notion that an epileptic should be suspected of one of those is akin to saying that autistic persons might be suffering from psychiatric symptoms or alcoholism.
Well, yes--like the population in general, some autistic persons may be co-morbid. That doesn't mean they all are. Certainly, if an autistic person was behaving as bizarrely as Mr. Snowden was, I would seek to have them evaluated--not for their autism, but for their behavior. But I have yet to come across an autistic person as narcissistic as Mr. Snowden. (Did you think that picking on my daughter's disability was appropriate? why?)
You still haven't explained why Glenn Greenwald suppressed Snowden's manifesto. Why???
I haven't changed my avatar once in my 12 years of being on this site. Until now. It's time.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #105)
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:32 AM
grasswire (40,677 posts)
111. but "bizarre and grandiose" and "liar" are attributes...
...that YOU (not a psychiatrist or psychologist or even M.D.) assign to Snowden.
You are way over your pay grade asserting that Snowden may have or had "psychiatri" issues or alcoholism because you consider his actions grandiose and bizarre.
It's just a cheap way of mudslinging.
Response to grasswire (Reply #111)
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:53 AM
Star Member msanthrope (24,799 posts)
117. They are attributes anyone can freely assign him after witnessing his antics. He's a 'spy' now?
Come on....
Again---where is this manifesto? Why must it be suppressed?
I haven't changed my avatar once in my 12 years of being on this site. Until now. It's time.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #105)
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:48 AM
woo me with science (26,373 posts)
115. Just when we thought the smear attempts could not possibly sink lower or become more despicable...
Should have realized that the very serious business of protecting the NSA and smearing its critics doesn't *have* limits. I always make the same mistake with the other corporate talking points, too...assuming that there will be some sort of boundary of decency that won't be crossed.
Snide allusions to fabricated alcoholism, suggestions that he should be institutionalized...
I keep forgetting that corporate ethics are not the same as human ethics.
Struggle4Progress
4. Sure sounds to me like the poor kid has gone round the bend
Some of his early claims were weird -- such as his alleged ability to wiretap the President
And that fact -- that Greenwald, despite portraying himself as a journalist, decided it was important to squash release of the kid's "manifesto" as being too Unabomber-ish -- rather suggests that even Greenwald found some of Snowden's thinking too strange for public consumption
The evidence begins to indicate, I think, that the kid is a serial prevaricator: the question is whether his misrepresentations are deliberate or whether they are symptoms of some psychological disease
Give me the courage to change what I can change, the patience to accept what I cannot change, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of people I had to kill because they pissed me off -- St Francis, Revisited
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #4)
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:22 PM
grasswire (40,677 posts)
5. that is a disgusting assertion
Response to grasswire (Reply #5)
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:44 PM
Star Member struggle4progress (79,856 posts)
9. What discredits him is his habit of saying things that are untrue. Less clear is whether
this behavior is under his control or not
Give me the courage to change what I can change, the patience to accept what I cannot change, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of people I had to kill because they pissed me off -- St Francis, Revisited
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:07 PM
grasswire (40,677 posts)
17. more insidious assertions of mental illness...
.....in those who question authority.
Shame on you.
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Snowden (who really does, apparently, have epilepsy) helps an epileptic. [View all]
MADem
Jun 2014
OP
I guess the take-away here is that no one that has epilepsy and has had a seizure can be trusted...
MADem
Jun 2014
#16
it is strange, i'm trying to figure out what the problem was or if i missed some other threads
JI7
Jun 2014
#58
Hyper religiosity and sexuality are pretty major changes, so your very post belies your thesis.
MADem
Jun 2014
#94
Wouldn't some of the multiple brain surgeries that some epileptics have also be a factor?
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#127
Any time you poke, prod, investigate, bump or insult the brain, there's potential
MADem
Jun 2014
#129
YES! I actually had a "in law" (cousin's bride) who had to go through with that.
MADem
Jun 2014
#135
No, YOUR attempt to tar others as saying something they did not is a "new low". Epilepsy MAY
KittyWampus
Jun 2014
#30
Really? Have you ever known anyone who suffers from epilepsy? I have, the worst kind, and she
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#35
What IS the 'body of knowledge' on the subject, and how does it have any effect on the disclosures
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#48
The thread is about a Whistle Blower. I see nothing in the OP that discusses the condition
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#79
Perhaps you should read more closely. I have asked repeatedly what this has to do with what
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#85
What does it have to do with the evidence of massive crimes committed against the American
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#96
I find it odd that anyone cares about Snowden's health issues unless they contradict the evidence he
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#49
I find it odd that you are so frantically trying to disrupt a thread about epilepsy.
MADem
Jun 2014
#67
The thread is about Snowden, is it not? If you want to post a thread about epilepsy
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#75
This thread is about Snowden's EPILEPSY and the fact that he helped a woman with EPILEPSY
MADem
Jun 2014
#113
'Ugly' to you, perhaps, but relevant to explaining why Snowden's personality changed.
randome
Jun 2014
#23
How does one get from 'I'm a Christian so I think marriage is for one man and one woman because
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2014
#37
That's an interesting point. A few work colleagues have commented about him, but in
MADem
Jun 2014
#74
Explain what relevance this has to the information of massive crimes against the American people
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#51
So this IS an attempt to smear Snowden. And there is NO evidence that the comments from the right
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#36
You think that this changes the evidence presented by Snowden about the violations of
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#72
The article is very favorable to Snowden. I'm not understanding the complaints about it.
MADem
Jun 2014
#119
You read a little generic speculation based on a news report, and turned it, in YOUR head,
MADem
Jun 2014
#20
So what is your point in posting the information, frankly I don't care what illness a whistle blower
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#38
You misunderstand, I don't care what illness a Whistle Blower may suffer from in relation to
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#47
So, if we "mention" that Snowden broke both his legs in Army boot camp, are we "smearing" him, too?
MADem
Jun 2014
#61
Gee, I'm just too riled up at the moment to actually read the rest of the thread..
nenagh
Jun 2014
#64
Yes--it's very interesting to learn who attaches feelings of shame or demands silence
MADem
Jun 2014
#181
Thanks for the details. I remember the propaganda part goes back to when Snowden was new.
Octafish
Jun 2014
#187
If you dig down into other posts in this thread, you will see where I am going with this.
MADem
Jun 2014
#198
Again, YOU are the one equating epilepsy to mental illness. As if mental illness is so horrifying.
KittyWampus
Jun 2014
#31
Can you explain what Snowden's health has to do with what Gore called 'worse law breaking than
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#40
Why are you asking me if you should start a thread that blatantly tells a falsehood
MADem
Jun 2014
#108
And yet...I never used the term "mental illness" but "neurological disorder".
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#192
I'm not supposed to mention that Snowden has epilepsy, or, apparently that he helped a woman with it
MADem
Jun 2014
#105
So because people support the person THEY VOTED FOR....that somehow means they are classless?
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#143
HERE now you have both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#162
Considerably more polite than the deliberate and crude personal insult you lobbed.
MADem
Jun 2014
#169
There are people on this website who are trying to twist this entire thread into something
MADem
Jun 2014
#195