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Fred Sanders

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107. You forgot the fourth type, the type that understand using 300 year old wording that ignores the

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #83)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:07 PM

May 2014

"in a well regulated militia" to arm citizens who have no reason to be armed or to be in any type of milita is intellectual dishonesty equal to delusional thought. Militias in a democracy are anti-democratic.

How delusional? Only America is a Western democracy without effective gun control laws. The only one.

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Guns are the mortal enemies of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and if that is not [View all] Fred Sanders May 2014 OP

yes because all public policy shedevil69taz May 2014 #1

Silly deflection. Emotion makes us human. Most of us. Play the video, then re-comment. Fred Sanders May 2014 #2

Watch the video, why don't you? Hekate May 2014 #3

OK, I watched the video. What gun law would have prevented his son's death? badtoworse May 2014 #6

If there was a law that kept Mr. Rodger from legally obtaining a firearm shedevil69taz May 2014 #8

Cause and effect are not a gunlover's strong suits. I blame lead poisoning and the poison Fred Sanders May 2014 #10

So, you have nothing more than insults? IronGate May 2014 #24

I got a whole lot more than that, sir/madame, as you can see from the thread. Fred Sanders May 2014 #87

Let me clue you in, IronGate May 2014 #127

So, you agree with Joe the Plumber that our dead kids don't trump your right to play with your toys? baldguy May 2014 #7

So, the misdeeds of a tiny minority should be the basis for denying civil rights to millions... badtoworse May 2014 #14

Yes, so you do agree the tree of liberty needs regular watering....with innocent blood. Fred Sanders May 2014 #18

We are talking about guns, not something most people find Hoyt May 2014 #27

I'm sorry G_j May 2014 #48

So you feel relatively safe treestar May 2014 #55

how about the fugging right to life? n/t malaise May 2014 #60

What about it? badtoworse May 2014 #61

No, law-abiding gun owners Sweet Freedom May 2014 #65

"aligning oneself with murderers" - who's doing that? badtoworse May 2014 #72

Why not? Sweet Freedom May 2014 #93

My handguns are registered and I don't have more than a few hundred rounds badtoworse May 2014 #96

And which arguments are those? derby378 May 2014 #99

Stockpiling ammo hollowdweller May 2014 #116

You can sell the ammo to the tyranny fearing crowd? Fred Sanders May 2014 #121

"law abiding gun owners" mikeysnot May 2014 #84

How do you tell BEFORE one is shot who is law abiding? Fred Sanders May 2014 #86

People retain their rights until it's demonstrated they should not have them. badtoworse May 2014 #89

That's easy discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #90

Will citizens then be required to paper thier bodies with signs they are not responsible gun owners? Fred Sanders May 2014 #97

I doubt it n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #101

tiny minority? put all the gun-related crimes and accidents together and unblock May 2014 #103

What do you consider sensible? badtoworse May 2014 #117

i didn't make any specific proposals and i don't see how that burden is on me. unblock May 2014 #128

Terms like "sensible" gun laws get thrown around all the time on DU and elsewhere. badtoworse May 2014 #129

You know exactly what they are, and if you do not then you do not belong in this Fred Sanders May 2014 #130

Seriously? I see a broad spectrum of opinion on what is sensible gun control badtoworse May 2014 #131

That's pretty cold treestar May 2014 #56

As opposed to.. Sassysdad May 2014 #4

(facepalm) flvegan May 2014 #5

That makes perfect sense unless you consider movements like the French Resistance. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #9

The French Revolution took 70 years to play out, there WAS a tyranny, not a democratic government... Fred Sanders May 2014 #100

I'm going to give you a minute to go research the French Resistance and then get back to me. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #115

Did the parents file paperwork to involuntarily commit Rodger, Elliot? JJChambers May 2014 #11

So being certified insane is the only restriction on purchase? Good to know...... Fred Sanders May 2014 #12

I don't know what certified insane means JJChambers May 2014 #13

You answered your own question and did not answer mine..... Fred Sanders May 2014 #17

The answer to your quesiton is No JJChambers May 2014 #21

I'll answer your question for you ... oldhippie May 2014 #22

He was seeing a mental health professional for counseling. If anyone was going to commit him stevenleser May 2014 #95

What happens when guns save lives of innocents? JJChambers May 2014 #15

For real? Now you want to compare actual numbers of dead innocents, the thousands a year as Fred Sanders May 2014 #16

Numbers hollowdweller May 2014 #118

More guns in America than people, at some point saturation is reached and comparisons Fred Sanders May 2014 #120

"Why wasn't something done? It's outrageous" It is, and everytime a gunner shithead says alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #19

They are a mixture of not too smart and very gullible. Fred Sanders May 2014 #20

Jury results are in Major Nikon May 2014 #39

a righteous call. n/t defacto7 May 2014 #51

Good alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #58

Let's have a party, everyone! Gunners are perhaps maybe amenable to discussing UBC! Well, maybe. alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #82

What an erudite post. badtoworse May 2014 #59

One doesn't need erudition to describe the glaringly obvious alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #62

To describe it, no; but to make progress in dealing with the issue, it would help a lot. badtoworse May 2014 #63

Like racists and other delusional extremists, gun nut shitheads will never give an inch alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #66

As deserving as it was, I didn't alert on your post. I just thought it was infantile. badtoworse May 2014 #70

It's as if Rush Limbaugh wrote that while his oxys are wearing off friendly_iconoclast May 2014 #81

It's actually not worth... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #71

See Post No. 72. UBC's are an area I'd give on. badtoworse May 2014 #73

Odd that few/none of the pro-control folks... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #75

What Would Grady Do? Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #23

I'm not understanding how an inanimate object can be the enemy of anything. Llewlladdwr May 2014 #25

BECAUSE THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THAT INANIMATE OBJECT IS TO DESTROY HUMAN LIFE undeterred May 2014 #26

And hunting to feed families, and sport shooting The Straight Story May 2014 #28

I don't see pretending that a gun is nothing more than an inanimate object undeterred May 2014 #31

I'm not understanding how pretending a gun has magical evil powers... Llewlladdwr May 2014 #33

You don't want to understand. undeterred May 2014 #34

Perhaps you're not explaining well? nt Llewlladdwr May 2014 #36

You just want to insult and belittle gun owners. IronGate May 2014 #67

13.7 million people went hunting in 2011 The Straight Story May 2014 #37

And how many men hunted other people and gunned them down? undeterred May 2014 #38

13,000 out of 50,000,000+ The Straight Story May 2014 #40

Am I supposed to feel insulted by your repeated undeterred May 2014 #42

There is nothing progressive The Straight Story May 2014 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author undeterred May 2014 #42

So guns should be allowed to proliferate unopposed because doing so is bigotry? Major Nikon May 2014 #41

Nice try The Straight Story May 2014 #45

incivility =/ bigotry Major Nikon May 2014 #47

If that's true, it is still too much treestar May 2014 #57

The simple folk who love these weapons also think atomic bombs are inaminate and therefore harmless, Fred Sanders May 2014 #85

Sometimes inatimate objects are designed and engineered for evil. (nt) stone space May 2014 #29

How does one "design" an item for evil? Llewlladdwr May 2014 #30

What evidence did this guy provide to anybody reguarding using these guns for hunting? (nt) stone space May 2014 #32

None of which I'm aware. Llewlladdwr May 2014 #35

That's easy discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #78

Are you really that stupid or just naive? world wide wally May 2014 #50

No shopping carts are used to procure food upaloopa May 2014 #105

Food for thought Clayguy61 May 2014 #49

Add limits on open carry defacto7 May 2014 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #54

Exactly which major crimes... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #76

Requiring insurance for a Constitutional right is asking for trouble derby378 May 2014 #92

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #53

If guns are the mortal enemies of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... Dr. Strange May 2014 #64

Just listen to those crickets... n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #91

The thread has plenty of answers to that question, police have always had guns, they are registered Fred Sanders May 2014 #98

Clearly... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #102

Okay, let's explore that concept a little bit... derby378 May 2014 #110

Why does anyone need a Kalashnikv assault rifle for in America? Not because of Fred Sanders May 2014 #111

My point exactly derby378 May 2014 #114

I don't know of any LE who have registered firearms. oneshooter May 2014 #119

If 99.99% of duers want stronger gun regulations... NCTraveler May 2014 #68

Some people just can't accept that not everyone is in lockstep with their view NutmegYankee May 2014 #108

"But...but...but...mah gun is m'fambly! Aristus May 2014 #69

So lets leave them in the hands who are best at taking those from us. dilby May 2014 #74

After all, that worked so well in Mexico - oh, wait... (n/t) derby378 May 2014 #77

Our casual attitude towards guns and violence. ZX86 May 2014 #79

For far too many, not all, firearms have become a fetish, the dictionary defintion. And they know it Fred Sanders May 2014 #88

Anti-RKBA DU members were full of hubris after the Sandy Hook massacre, too. aikoaiko May 2014 #80

Once again, the masks slip and the true faces are seen friendly_iconoclast May 2014 #83

You forgot the fourth type, the type that understand using 300 year old wording that ignores the Fred Sanders May 2014 #107

Too bad for you that *all* of the Supremes think there's an individual right friendly_iconoclast May 2014 #122

This keyboard warrior seems to draw a lot of flak....and individual rights is a general concept not Fred Sanders May 2014 #123

It's *not* a "special right", it's part and parcel of the Bill of Rights friendly_iconoclast May 2014 #124

My point is that there are a lot of Constitution protected individual rights, the dissents in Fred Sanders May 2014 #125

They do help draw a bright line on what is or is not permissable friendly_iconoclast May 2014 #126

America "exploited" 9/11 using emotional arguements to launch 2 wars, so that type of emotion Fred Sanders May 2014 #106

That was wrong too. At least the war in Iraq. aikoaiko May 2014 #109

The parallel is that there is no parallel. The emotions clearly exploited by America and the media Fred Sanders May 2014 #112

Some laws might lead to reduced violence, but some might not. aikoaiko May 2014 #113

We're on the same side on this issue, but I dont think anything will happen in the next 5 yrs or so. stevenleser May 2014 #94

Big sweeping statements like that by the OP aren't particularly helpful imo onenote May 2014 #104