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Laelth

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273. I think it has a lot to do with the tragedy we are discussing.

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Sun May 25, 2014, 02:12 PM

May 2014

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This killer that went on a rampage shooting [View all] Harmony Blue May 2014 OP

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I swear. bravenak May 2014 #2

Better self delete, juries already nuked two of your comrade's disgusting posts JJChambers May 2014 #45

No thank you. bravenak May 2014 #54

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I am diametrically different Harmony Blue May 2014 #5

Yet here you are BainsBane May 2014 #7

He does not have a legimtate grievance Harmony Blue May 2014 #12

The woman who killed her kids was likely suffering from a pychotic break BainsBane May 2014 #14

We don't know that is why we are left with asking Harmony Blue May 2014 #24

What are you saying? Mrdrboi May 2014 #10

The self-recommend, always a sure winner. Starry Messenger May 2014 #4

+1 gollygee May 2014 #6

To answer your qeustion Harmony Blue May 2014 #8

That wasn't love he was feeling. Starry Messenger May 2014 #11

He displayed creepy stalker like behavior Harmony Blue May 2014 #15

He was a sociopath and a bigot. Starry Messenger May 2014 #23

Yeah, in the video I saw he was really creepy. He did not sound distraught to me at all. And RKP5637 May 2014 #229

+1 redqueen May 2014 #16

Did you seriously just use Star Wars to counter a point about fantasy? BainsBane May 2014 #13

"How come male suffering often results in female bodies on the floor" BainsBane May 2014 #9

There is no validation Harmony Blue May 2014 #18

So I should relinquish my right to choose whom I have sex with BainsBane May 2014 #22

I don't ensore MRA ideology Harmony Blue May 2014 #25

You have identified yourself as a grasseater BainsBane May 2014 #27

Nope Harmony Blue May 2014 #32

Pardon my ignorance but thucythucy May 2014 #282

Had to look that up too treestar May 2014 #296

Thanks. thucythucy May 2014 #301

It's like something out of "A Handmaid's Tale." Absolutely nuts. Squinch May 2014 #122

Because he had a very strong sense of sexual entitlement gollygee May 2014 #28

Right but he didn't have an adult role model explain to him I suspect Harmony Blue May 2014 #34

People don't need adults to explain gollygee May 2014 #35

Young adults don't fully mature (their brains) Harmony Blue May 2014 #57

He didn't kill people because he has an immature brain gollygee May 2014 #59

But I can understand wondering aloud what drove him to such a violent extreme. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #97

The inference is also that Squinch May 2014 #104

"It blames everyone but the creepy little monster himself." Exactly the problem, in a nutshell. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #109

Because there was no element with them in which Squinch May 2014 #113

The implication seems to be that some people simply don't matter as much as others. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #124

Yup. That one gender is here for the gratification of the other, and their choices not only don't Squinch May 2014 #126

Ultimately, we all have to live with each other's choices, so long as they don't violate anyone's nomorenomore08 May 2014 #128

Plus a fucking thousand... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #168

Amazing, isn't it? Squinch May 2014 #350

For what it's worth, when I look at the guy, I can't help but think, whathehell May 2014 #265

That's a simplistic take on it. Mojo Electro May 2014 #192

Not to keep from killing people gollygee May 2014 #279

Of course not. Mojo Electro May 2014 #318

I suspect this guy's issues didn't spring to life on his 21st birthday. I'm quite sure he would Flatulo May 2014 #400

I actually read his "manefesto" in which he describes giftedgirl77 May 2014 #402

Exactly. It's tempting to ascribe his actions to one major Flatulo May 2014 #403

There definitly wasn't just one thing & he needed giftedgirl77 May 2014 #405

Was he raised by chimpanzees? He had a father, teachers, counselors. uppityperson May 2014 #130

He actually was told this. Read his "manifesto." He wasn't listening, he didn't care, seaglass May 2014 #187

How do you know "he didn't have an adult role model" thucythucy May 2014 #286

BULL DonCoquixote May 2014 #349

When did rejection get to be a "male only" problem? whathehell May 2014 #256

that is my point here. a clear indication it is all about entitlement. only men get rejected? seabeyond May 2014 #259

Yes...Although I think other matters were also at play here, whathehell May 2014 #263

That is the essence of it, yes. Quantess May 2014 #394

+1 treestar May 2014 #336

omg...I was harassed for not saying hello noiretextatique May 2014 #468

I've noticed. I've certainly had my share of rejection, Raksha May 2014 #421

Yes, thank you, same here. whathehell May 2014 #467

Hear fucking hear! redqueen May 2014 #423

Thank you, Your Majesty! whathehell May 2014 #466

I didn't respond because I kept thinking, Le Taz Hot May 2014 #26

Because self-harm is culturally coded as "feminine," while harming others is coded as "masculine"? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #31

Wow. This is not a young man feeling pain about misunderstandings. This is a murderous psychopath. Squinch May 2014 #17

He took it to the extreme Harmony Blue May 2014 #20

Seriously, I don't think you are realizing how far out you sound on this. If someone is thinking Squinch May 2014 #29

You don't know many people if you don't think we all suffer from rejection. Laelth May 2014 #36

Do you feel that someone needs to be punished when you don't get a date? Does that seem natural? Squinch May 2014 #75

No. I never said that. Laelth May 2014 #81

The op is saying that these murders are the result of some kind of ubiquitous Western male Squinch May 2014 #86

It appears this young man was very entitled. Laelth May 2014 #177

Interesting that you are saying that I was the one who was bringing the discussion to who is Squinch May 2014 #267

Sigh. Nevermind. n/t Laelth May 2014 #269

+1000000000 noiretextatique May 2014 #469

Consider the source. Do we expect anything less? Squinch May 2014 #470

I haven't been paying attention noiretextatique May 2014 #472

that evo psych stuff has been debunked so often and so consistently and still..... seabeyond May 2014 #91

I'll take your word for it that socio-biology has been "debunked." Laelth May 2014 #178

Bad genes. GeorgeGist May 2014 #230

Or maybe trying too hard to "understand" him will help provide justification for further tragedies. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #106

I give you credit for continuing to think about this. Laelth May 2014 #180

Nothing wrong with that. My problem is when "understanding" seems to stray too close nomorenomore08 May 2014 #182

As I said elsewhere, there's plenty of condemnation to go around. Laelth May 2014 #190

I'm seeing a lot of posts here that seem to be conflating 'understanding' with 'approving'. Flatulo May 2014 #401

I see that, and I've been trying not to do the same thing myself. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #411

Why is it always some man telling us what we want? treestar May 2014 #337

Men (generally) have always wanted to know "what women want." Laelth May 2014 #387

Well why don't they get to know the individual women treestar May 2014 #392

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #40

I am stunned by this thread. Squinch May 2014 #82

i am not stunned, and i am disgusted. all this validation is exactly what had one young man take it seabeyond May 2014 #93

I wonder if these men making these arguments are aware that one of the things they are really doing Squinch May 2014 #95

shocked as shit harmony would do a thread bemoaning the men not getting the hot gal. not. seabeyond May 2014 #102

Yes. Some people do seem to have a groove they're stuck in, but this is beyond the pale. Squinch May 2014 #108

I think he was just a serial killer oneofthe99 May 2014 #19

This is true Harmony Blue May 2014 #21

I will be very surprised to learn that he killed anyone prior to starting this Schema Thing May 2014 #50

He's a classic spree killer, not a serial killer. As for his mental state, it Nay May 2014 #71

Yep, like Andrew Cunnanan. pamela May 2014 #326

If every guy that couldn't get laid went on a homicidal rampage there would be no humans left. Throd May 2014 #30

Great post. The OP makes me uncomfortable as well. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #121

I'm with you on this. Iggo May 2014 #134

THROD NAILS IT Skittles May 2014 #149

yep you nailed it steve2470 May 2014 #163

Excellent post JustAnotherGen May 2014 #171

You can't fix a problem until you understand the problem. Laelth May 2014 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author Laelth May 2014 #33

Oh my fucking god do you hear yourself? Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #37

Indeed. Laelth May 2014 #39

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But equating human behavior with that of the "lower animals" isn't exactly rational either. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #44

No, of course. We are not slaves to SOME of our instincts. Laelth May 2014 #64

All I'm saying is that the world isn't as simple as a lot of the evo-psych types make it out to be. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #72

I am gald you admitted to having similar feelings. Laelth May 2014 #77

"If somebody had just listened to the shooter and tried to understand him..." You're more optimistic nomorenomore08 May 2014 #85

Indeed. Those feelings do not justify treating others badly. Laelth May 2014 #174

It's a fine line we walk, with all this stuff. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #183

Most men I know have had feelings like that at one time or another. Laelth May 2014 #186

I'm just not sure it's really an issue of "be[ing] a sexual animal." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #191

Most men you know have had feelings like what? redqueen May 2014 #243

My dear redqueen, I am honored to have generated a response from you. Laelth May 2014 #249

tell me. do women get to have a chip on the shoulder not getting the hot guy? or is that privilege seabeyond May 2014 #79

Sure they can. As far as I'm concerned anyway. People are "entitled" to feel whatever they want. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #87

the POINT. women do not go around with a chip they do not get the hot man. yet many men will admit seabeyond May 2014 #88

I agree with basically everything you wrote there. And no matter how people "feel" subjectively nomorenomore08 May 2014 #92

what has had me so concerned so long is so much of our society, so in our face is always reinforcing seabeyond May 2014 #94

Absolutely. It's a basic lack of care or concern for others - in this case, women - that is used nomorenomore08 May 2014 #103

Can I hug you? laundry_queen May 2014 #138

how many women do we hear whining about not getting the hot man and the hot man only wants the seabeyond May 2014 #144

I've known a few women who whine about not getting the hot guy... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #169

+1 and a woman trying to woo a man would get all kinds of insults treestar May 2014 #339

Not only that, but if you don't "get the girl", that means you are a failure. dawg May 2014 #335

that is true treestar May 2014 #340

Correct...A feminist writer once said that she was against legalized prostitution whathehell May 2014 #270

She's got a point. Squinch May 2014 #323

Yes, I thought so too. n/t whathehell May 2014 #330

It makes you wonder if women would buy a man for sex treestar May 2014 #342

Well, there are such things as gigolos.. whathehell May 2014 #344

When women have the money treestar May 2014 #355

exactly. in any given situation, in all of life, i take it to me first. and maul it over. seabeyond May 2014 #362

Nobody is "entitled" to act as this murderer did, neither men nor women. Laelth May 2014 #181

Breathing is not an instinct but a biological imperative. uppityperson May 2014 #132

According to my sociology textbook humans do not have instincts laundry_queen May 2014 #136

your sociology textbook is wrong. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #236

LOL k. nt laundry_queen May 2014 #262

What instincts do people have? I am curious, thanks uppityperson May 2014 #297

"instincts" and "biology" treestar May 2014 #299

that I know, also people use words in different ways and before starting to snark, I'd like to make uppityperson May 2014 #302

So therefore we should ignore biology and pretend we don't have instincts? Warren Stupidity May 2014 #332

"Biology" only assigns treestar May 2014 #334

a common example is suckling - the infant side of nursing. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #322

breathing however is not an instinct. I think part of the confusion might be in the definition uppityperson May 2014 #324

Did I claim breathing was an instinct? Warren Stupidity May 2014 #327

No, you did not. Someone else did. nt uppityperson May 2014 #331

they don't go beyond rooting and suckling treestar May 2014 #408

I don't believe that is true either. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #464

there might be, but they don't mean all women treestar May 2014 #345

Thanks for that treestar May 2014 #346

Is it possible that our sex drive is a "biological imperative?" Laelth May 2014 #212

I was commenting on a line you wrote uppityperson May 2014 #276

Fine. What I fail to see is the relevance of the distinction you are making. Laelth May 2014 #281

If you view breathing as in instinct, it tells me something about you and impacts how I consider uppityperson May 2014 #300

Fair enough. Laelth May 2014 #383

Yes, I agree Shankapotomus May 2014 #73

Are you joking? Starry Messenger May 2014 #41

"And women are not cats in fucking heat." Exactly. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #48

THIS X 10000000 bettyellen May 2014 #118

Condemning me for thinking and writing about this issue ... Laelth May 2014 #194

Your characterization of women of being programmed to sleep with vicious barbarians. Starry Messenger May 2014 #195

Do you deny that instincts play a role in our sexual choices? Laelth May 2014 #202

Moving of the goalposts noted. Starry Messenger May 2014 #204

Your lack of desire to engage me honestly and sincerely on this topic ... Laelth May 2014 #207

I have never been more honest and sincere. Starry Messenger May 2014 #209

IT is mostly the brain treestar May 2014 #258

Excellent. I agree. Laelth May 2014 #272

the problem there. we are using story telling and make believe to conclude what that very seabeyond May 2014 #277

Humans, human brains, have evolved beyond reptile f*ing in the primordial ooze or birds building uppityperson May 2014 #304

You demonstrate a common misconception. Laelth May 2014 #416

OFFS redqueen May 2014 #424

Smile. Laelth May 2014 #425

Stop telling women to smile. redqueen May 2014 #427

you know what. coming in this OP now, i remember. the little boy forcing kisses on the girl. seabeyond May 2014 #431

Holy shit, no I don't remember that... redqueen May 2014 #435

maybe golly was in that thread. nt seabeyond May 2014 #437

Wow. Such hostility. Laelth May 2014 #457

"My "smile" in the above post was an attempt to say "I am smiling" and not a command" redqueen May 2014 #461

Fair enough. Laelth May 2014 #463

If they don't agree with you they are "close-minded"? What "instincts" are you talking about? uppityperson May 2014 #303

Yes treestar May 2014 #409

Hmm ... Laelth May 2014 #412

What evidence? treestar May 2014 #413

Let me put it this way. Laelth May 2014 #414

Why? Are we doing something automatically? treestar May 2014 #419

So, pheromones don't exist. Laelth May 2014 #420

you are really invested in htis. i have not even gotten to your post from this morning, of story seabeyond May 2014 #432

I am working on a longer piece on this subject. Laelth May 2014 #447

when a man tells us we have to have our barbarians, and many of us in a lifetime have never seabeyond May 2014 #449

It's an alternate to the Bible treestar May 2014 #452

and that is it. bottomline. that is the argument men will make when calling out the bullshit. seabeyond May 2014 #453

We only have two instincts treestar May 2014 #451

I am not interested in the "proper" scientific terminology. Laelth May 2014 #456

Just reading that, it does not appear that they treestar May 2014 #450

wouldnt the theory be that all us women would now be tingly for this mass murderer? i am not seeing seabeyond May 2014 #454

the vicious barabarian stuff is a hilarious, cartoonish idea bettyellen May 2014 #203

It's hack pop-psychology--at best. Starry Messenger May 2014 #224

exactly, it's human to look for sources to confirm your own biases, but get real. Except for a few bettyellen May 2014 #228

Exactly. My friends and I have never dated the flesh-mountains we're supposed to be Starry Messenger May 2014 #231

I did in college once, a semi pro footballer. It was out of curiosity and he had a motor cycle and bettyellen May 2014 #257

I know, if we like a guy and he does not ask us out treestar May 2014 #289

It is funny, I admit. Laelth May 2014 #232

You have a bunch of women telling you that we don't want vicious brutes gollygee May 2014 #274

As I said above ... Laelth May 2014 #382

You don't blame women for acting on their "instincts", avoiding nasty assholes? gee, what a guy uppityperson May 2014 #306

Also assuming women are different from men treestar May 2014 #285

Young women going crazy for vicious barbarians like.... PassingFair May 2014 #406

laughing my fuggin ass off. that is funny. all that alpha that he is. there it is boys. lol. nt seabeyond May 2014 #433

I hope most people maker better choices than to kill a bunch of people as they age gollygee May 2014 #42

That's really not fair, is it? Laelth May 2014 #66

He was an entitled ass who thought he deserved sex gollygee May 2014 #313

golly... were you in the thread harmony started about the 6 yr old boy kissing and harassing a seabeyond May 2014 #440

Evolutinary biology is always a controversial subject to discuss Harmony Blue May 2014 #47

Humans are apes. Laelth May 2014 #58

As an apex species our repodructive strategy is closer Harmony Blue May 2014 #68

I am not following you on that one. Laelth May 2014 #70

The biological determinism line of argument was tried decades ago to explain the failings ancianita May 2014 #112

i am glad to see you were not discourage way back when. seabeyond May 2014 #116

Of course! ancianita May 2014 #120

People have accused sociobiology of "determinism." Laelth May 2014 #198

Humans are primates. GeorgeGist May 2014 #237

LOL. If you have any more nits that need picking ... Laelth May 2014 #241

claiming untrue things as true impacts how we view the rest of what you say. uppityperson May 2014 #309

Interesting, I recall a debate in a policy class seminar that brought up Clan of the Cavebear adirondacker May 2014 #360

w.t.f. "The people we mate with are seldom the people we decide to create a social structure with" uppityperson May 2014 #308

Evolutionary biology is a respected science that follows scientific method ismnotwasm May 2014 #105

I am not talking about evolutionary psychology Harmony Blue May 2014 #201

talk to real scientists about that. it is more foolish to blindly follow something thats disapproved seabeyond May 2014 #223

The entire mass of a collapsed solar system of bullshit condensed into a single post! Throd May 2014 #53

just another entitled asshole Skittles May 2014 #153

How you educate your daughters is your own business. Laelth May 2014 #200

I assume you're not a parent. GeorgeGist May 2014 #238

Choosing a mate based upon "instinctual signals" whathehell May 2014 #266

and we generally choose our mates per interaction with opposite gender parent at age 4'ish to -7.... seabeyond May 2014 #275

No. treestar May 2014 #292

Debunked pseudoscience ismnotwasm May 2014 #100

"Debunked" is in the eye of the beholder. Laelth May 2014 #214

But not so "useful" that you avoid stereotyping women thucythucy May 2014 #298

I think you know what I meant. Laelth May 2014 #459

Well, hell, now that he's proven he's da'MAN I wanna have sex with him and his high testosterone uppityperson May 2014 #133

Here's an article on the subject, if you're truly interested. Laelth May 2014 #216

Thank you, I looked at it and I agree that behavior is influenced by out genetics. uppityperson May 2014 #280

I consider it progress if you are willing to grant that sociobiology is relevant. Laelth May 2014 #283

That is all you got out of my post? Did you miss correlation vs causation, making assumptions? uppityperson May 2014 #293

LOL Skittles May 2014 #141

No doubt you are right. Laelth May 2014 #217

What the fuck did I just read? Number23 May 2014 #142

It's the 21st century, and we call this planet "Earth" (in English, at least). Laelth May 2014 #218

Seriously? "If you have a better explanation for mating habits" thucythucy May 2014 #311

As I said above ... Laelth May 2014 #385

Sorry. "Knee jerk condemnation" of abject foolishness is all I've got Number23 May 2014 #380

Yes. I see that. n/t Laelth May 2014 #384

amazing, isn't? noiretextatique May 2014 #471

women are genetically driven to seek out vicious barbarians? fishwax May 2014 #158

+1 for this entire subthread. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #164

Yeah, somebody's been watching too many Armor All commercials theHandpuppet May 2014 #167

I don't watch television. Laelth May 2014 #222

clooney does not have the face they are talking, so they say "smouldering" eyes. to be able to seabeyond May 2014 #226

Sorry. I have great respect for you, but I am not following you on that post. n/t Laelth May 2014 #234

pitt has the jaw. clooney does not. clooney does not fit this supposed preference. seabeyond May 2014 #235

Hmm ... Laelth May 2014 #386

and i can make the same comment to you about science not suiting you, and how i actualy value true seabeyond May 2014 #393

Thanks for the link. n/t Laelth May 2014 #458

. Squinch May 2014 #351

But we're the bad people because we don't want to understaaaannnd, man. Starry Messenger May 2014 #196

I said I would ignore you, but ... Laelth May 2014 #240

rofl Starry Messenger May 2014 #246

Everything you said (in the post above) is true. Laelth May 2014 #250

It starts with not turning this around on women with fake science. Starry Messenger May 2014 #253

If you think women are my enemy, you are dead wrong. Laelth May 2014 #254

You've gotten a lot of feedback on your post. Starry Messenger May 2014 #255

Trust me. I knew, from the beginning, that what I had to say here would not be popular. Laelth May 2014 #260

It's not "unpopular", it's simply incorrect. Starry Messenger May 2014 #264

But, but ... Laelth May 2014 #268

And none of that has anything to do with why this sociopath just blew away several people. Starry Messenger May 2014 #271

I think it has a lot to do with the tragedy we are discussing. Laelth May 2014 #273

You can't help believing what you write, refuse to consider and learn from others replying? uppityperson May 2014 #312

I will accept that critique. Laelth May 2014 #415

I do not blindly believe what someone tells me, that is true. Thank you for noticing. eom uppityperson May 2014 #417

Getting men to realize they are not entitled the way that guy thought treestar May 2014 #291

maybe he couldn't attract any women because we viewed them as sluts? Maybe he missed the cues that uppityperson May 2014 #310

So it appears. Laelth May 2014 #221

yes, i disagree that women are hard coded to seek vicious barbarians fishwax May 2014 #379

If you actually believe that immuno-suppressants leave one with a "killer" immune system, Ikonoklast May 2014 #248

I will assume that you have something to add that I do not understand. Laelth May 2014 #252

"suppressant" means weaker, lower. They have a lower, suppressed immune system. uppityperson May 2014 #315

*crickets* Starry Messenger May 2014 #341

He hasn't posted for a couple hours, let's see if he comments when he starts again. uppityperson May 2014 #343

well, he posted a bunch but never replied to this huge error, so indeed. uppityperson May 2014 #389

Hello, I wanted to make sure you understood "suppressed" does not mean "strong" but weaker uppityperson May 2014 #429

There are always those that want biology treestar May 2014 #295

+1. yes. nt seabeyond May 2014 #363

lol redqueen May 2014 #426

totally WRONG about that immune system. Suppressed is WEAK, not strong. uppityperson May 2014 #316

I probably have a high testosterone level and a "killer" immune system. dawg May 2014 #333

So, you're going to join the OP in blaming women. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #396

To all the women who rejected him - Good call, ladies. nt Xipe Totec May 2014 #38

+a billion gollygee May 2014 #46

I can't believe what I'm reading here. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #51

I'm surprised that anyone is surprised. nt redqueen May 2014 #56

Yeah, but to start a thread on DU Le Taz Hot May 2014 #61

They're out there. Squinch May 2014 #80

Yep. We knew it was coming. theHandpuppet May 2014 #67

If sexual frustration is really such a commonplace motive for murder, then why do pro athletes etc. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #55

If sexual frustration is such a commonplace motive for murder, KitSileya May 2014 #160

No argument from me. This OP had me squicked out from the start. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #162

chip on should cause cant get hot gal, sexually frustrated. what about women? men that make sex ALL seabeyond May 2014 #84

Sadly I saw that same rationale parroted after the Virginia Tech tragedy Blue_Tires May 2014 #157

According to what I read in his lengthy "Manifesto"... PassingFair May 2014 #407

I'm not sure I buy your thesis. At this point I'm not sure what he was or was not taught, per your Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #49

Indeed we don't know what his upbringing was like Harmony Blue May 2014 #65

"We don't know what his upbringing was like" thucythucy May 2014 #378

those are really good points. OP comments a lot on his upbringing, yet here op says we don't know uppityperson May 2014 #390

I don't agree with everything you say bluestateguy May 2014 #52

I think a lot of folks are connecting this with the OP's prior posting history. Fairly or not. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #62

They can if they wish Harmony Blue May 2014 #69

Absolutely. And I don't accuse you of any particular ill intent in posting this OP, even if I find nomorenomore08 May 2014 #78

I think it would be a mistake to read too much into such a vicious, senseless act. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #60

Women have spent millennia "understanding" males' needs. Understanding is the booby prize. ancianita May 2014 #63

This is it ^^^^^^^^ Those urging "understanding" seem to think that this monster's motivations Squinch May 2014 #90

and what needs to be taken to the heart is many many young men feel the same only a much lower seabeyond May 2014 #96

There is, obviously, a set of men who do think that. And that set of men Squinch May 2014 #99

squich. i think htis entiltement is more than just "those" men. men we love. men... seabeyond May 2014 #110

Oh, totally. I think we are all sometimes caught up in that conditioning. I know even I STILL Squinch May 2014 #115

The fundamental lesson that these guys fail to learn is that they are not entitled to sex alarimer May 2014 #74

Boys and men have all the examples they want to see. One need not have any "teaching" to learn. ancianita May 2014 #119

fuckin for real harmony? you really went there. first line. done. i cant hardly stomach seabeyond May 2014 #76

don't you understand, seabeyond? WE CRAVE 6 FOOTERS WITH BAGS OF MONEY!!! Skittles May 2014 #139

it seems like a lot of what is being defended here is the very issues that drove this dude to murder seabeyond May 2014 #147

There are no excuses, I condemn this killer just as much as the woman who quinnox May 2014 #83

play by play cutting to the point DonCoquixote May 2014 #89

But the biggest reason why women DonCoquixote May 2014 #98

It's early JustAnotherGen May 2014 #173

codswallop. baloney. I just read his entire memoir. he was a littly psychopath- in the most cali May 2014 #101

Trying to rationalize why a person Aerows May 2014 #107

Oh, haven't you heard? Squinch May 2014 #117

And was sufficiently provided with pity sex, I suppose... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #123

I think it would be more like, "We know he makes your skin crawl, and will probably physically Squinch May 2014 #125

Exactly. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #127

"And I'm a narcissistic lunatic Aerows May 2014 #131

No. GeorgeGist May 2014 #245

...and he had easy access to guns. Aristus May 2014 #111

Damn Solly Mack May 2014 #114

I do not understand what "he had no proper male role model in his life" means. Blame his dad & male uppityperson May 2014 #129

"... male suffering that we often don't fully understand in the Western world." ?? only in the East? LooseWilly May 2014 #135

you are a real piece of work Skittles May 2014 #137

This is the second post today I've read from DUers most hostile to women and/or poc that are Number23 May 2014 #140

Holy sh** get me the FUCK OUTTA THIS THREAD!! Number23 May 2014 #143

good lord.... seabeyond May 2014 #145

The OP is the same person that went into a diatribe against blacks... Cali_Democrat May 2014 #148

Wow. Apparently so. kysrsoze May 2014 #152

I'll never forget that. bravenak May 2014 #161

I've been meaning to say this for a while now thucythucy May 2014 #305

Thank you. bravenak May 2014 #325

I second what thucythucy said! Squinch May 2014 #353

Aw shucks! bravenak May 2014 #357

I will third it. PeaceNikki May 2014 #371

Thank you. bravenak May 2014 #374

yup. group hug. with thucy. nt seabeyond May 2014 #364

I am so glad you're back. bravenak May 2014 #366

a little. right now? just a little. and only a maybe. and thank you. nt seabeyond May 2014 #368

Bingo. Starry Messenger May 2014 #184

Oh yeah, I'm aware. That's why I said that this is the second OP I've read from posters well known Number23 May 2014 #381

Another bullshit, armchair psychoanalysis based on one's own small frame of reference... kysrsoze May 2014 #146

both the killer and the OP suffer from an IT'S ALL ABOUT ME affliction Skittles May 2014 #150

In this case, the armchair psychoanalysis was dead-on. Thank you. kysrsoze May 2014 #151

This kid was a time bomb. RandySF May 2014 #154

Well...how else do you explain why serial killers get marriage proposals in prison? davidn3600 May 2014 #155

i imagine trash is comfortable hanging with trash. ya think? dont you think like hangs with like, seabeyond May 2014 #156

"I imagine trash is comfortable hanging with trash." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #165

those abused as kids often already know what it is to love an abuser. barabarians are not appealing bettyellen May 2014 #205

"We are comfortable with the familiar, even if it is painful." A counselor told me that once, raccoon May 2014 #388

I agree with another poster that women who seek out these kind of polly7 May 2014 #215

Can you never drop that nonsense?: "many women do make very poor choices in who they choose as Squinch May 2014 #354

Kind of an unusual premise: "most parents these days have kids for social status" DFW May 2014 #159

The OP is DRENCHED in this type of nonsense HangOnKids May 2014 #166

I don't get where a statement like that could have come from DFW May 2014 #170

I don't agree with the OP in general. randome May 2014 #172

Please do not assume what is true for you and your ex, is true for the majority. There is no seaglass May 2014 #185

Completely different with us. DFW May 2014 #247

Hoodie 12kbush May 2014 #175

^^^^^Yes! Squinch May 2014 #356

Elliot Rodger would have found your writing to be true and you to be sympatico. boston bean May 2014 #176

wow. I need my puke bucket, unbelievable OP Whisp May 2014 #208

No shit. PeaceNikki May 2014 #213

agreed. guess we women really can give the discerning eye to the "bad" in our men. nt seabeyond May 2014 #233

+ 1 gollygee May 2014 #307

You brushed on a few topics worth discussing. Inkfreak May 2014 #179

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #188

Well said. Mojo Electro May 2014 #189

He sounds like a control freak to me. DebJ May 2014 #197

No this was about a narcissistic,materialistic, jealous and envious malaise May 2014 #199

Yes DustyJoe May 2014 #206

Exactly. polly7 May 2014 #219

Yep I could not believe what I was reading malaise May 2014 #225

Do you have any evidence at all that "he had no proper male role models"? thucythucy May 2014 #210

"Male suffering"? Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? PeaceNikki May 2014 #211

thanks….you said it. dhill926 May 2014 #220

all of his manhood is wrapped up in the presentation, the girl on his arm, indicative of his worth a seabeyond May 2014 #242

What the holy fucking disgusting hell is this OP? JTFrog May 2014 #227

pretty damn close myself. and adding discussionist merely let us know, how we as minority groups seabeyond May 2014 #244

discussionist DonCoquixote May 2014 #321

+1 Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #347

good post. i agree. and saw it in a matter of a few days. you are right. now an mra post stands seabeyond May 2014 #367

I wish I was wrong DonCoquixote May 2014 #375

male suffering = understanding killing rampages? Kali May 2014 #239

I still think the 'I might be a rapist'/'what is rape?' threads were the worst. nt redqueen May 2014 #261

This one is pretty bad. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #397

I guess since I already knew guys like this were here, and I know how many there are redqueen May 2014 #398

Understandable. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #399

he also had an OP about a 6 yr old boy, forcing kisses on a girl and keeping her from her friends. seabeyond May 2014 #436

I'm torn. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #445

he contrives poor arguments. i would never ignore. just to address the wrongs immediately. seabeyond May 2014 #446

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #251

good points all. Additionally, guys are taught that it has to be a "chase" or "hunt" yurbud May 2014 #278

Let's face it, what society teaches boys to be does not attract girls. dilby May 2014 #284

are girls allowed to enjoy sports and fish? or is that only for the man? so women will be attracted seabeyond May 2014 #287

whoever this dude is DonCoquixote May 2014 #320

yes. it is another of many.... wows. nt seabeyond May 2014 #361

further, are you teaching your son to embrace and enjoy a good book? classics? thinking, pondering, seabeyond May 2014 #290

"Women" as if every one is not different treestar May 2014 #294

"weak men"? what are you trying to say? nt alp227 May 2014 #377

I would love to know what your definition of "weak men" is. NuclearDem May 2014 #462

Please stop trying to justify mass murder SwankyXomb May 2014 #288

Wow! Let me get this straight... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #314

I have a list (not on paper) of what I look for in a man. Off the top of my head, I am interested Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #328

Hmm .... dawg May 2014 #338

... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #348

Imagine you made that list yourself treestar May 2014 #365

more than 300 replies + 12 recs, one of which is masturbatory = flamebait Kali May 2014 #317

... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #329

OH COME ON KALI Skittles May 2014 #352

I think that's called "mansplain shaming." Squinch May 2014 #359

"WITHOUT MAKING FUN OF HIM" bah hahah. that was where you lost me. nt seabeyond May 2014 #369

been seeing several mansplaining posts in earnest, lately Skittles May 2014 #370

cause we likes our barbarians... he was just giving us what we want, right? if we like the bad boy seabeyond May 2014 #372

you nail the the logic, seabeyond Skittles May 2014 #373

LOL - yeah - this thread is just... wow. myrna minx May 2014 #434

Calling all men! Care for a ripe, juicy apple, right off the tree? Picked it myself. Zorra May 2014 #319

LOL! Raksha May 2014 #422

Personally ann--- May 2014 #358

In defense of "nice guys" and an alternate view of "bad boys" yurbud May 2014 #376

Further insight on this topic. Laelth May 2014 #391

"I try to explain to these young men that young woman in their 20's have not yet cultivated healthy" AtheistCrusader May 2014 #395

Yup. Squinch May 2014 #404

a couple months ago he said he was a grasseater. saying, he no longer plays. so i am confused. nt seabeyond May 2014 #439

UrbanDictionary did not help me puzzle out what 'grasseater' means in this context. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #442

from japan. a lot of their youth thinks sex is icky.... seabeyond May 2014 #443

Thanks, I had just finished reading BainsBane's link above. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #444

he is consistent. seabeyond May 2014 #448

he was troubled mgcgulfcoast May 2014 #410

Or maybe he was, y'know, just a creepy guy who hated women.. LanternWaste May 2014 #418

He didn't try to hide it. redqueen May 2014 #430

A very strange OP imo. Rex May 2014 #438

Most feminists here aren't surprised by this at all, from this DUer. nt redqueen May 2014 #441

The fact that you felt compelled to write all that speaks volumes about your character. nt. Rex May 2014 #428

Chris Hayes is discussing this man right now riversedge May 2014 #455

Frankly, I find your post disturbingly similar to the Elliot Rodger screeds. WinkyDink May 2014 #460

If a guy (or girl) has to repeatedly tell you how "nice" they are AnnieBW May 2014 #465