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In reply to the discussion: No! I will not Stop it! ... [View all]kwassa
(23,340 posts)287. White privilege is not about making anyone the enemy. I don't know where you get that idea.
and what has this to do with Obama at all? He considers himself black.
here is the original theory of white privilege.
1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.
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I got a hide for questioning someone about purported "oppression" of white men here.......
bettyellen
May 2014
#1
Exactly! They create an alternate universe and then chastise you when you don't conform
R B Garr
May 2014
#9
there are no facts presented, AJ. None at all. Maybe you should use IMHO more, because that would be
bettyellen
May 2014
#33
Jesus H. Christ. It's not a goddamn pet theory. The name has been around for decades...
Gravitycollapse
May 2014
#70
I hate to see these passages repeated, but yeah, no one should tell you to 'stop it!'
freshwest
May 2014
#85
WTF does that even mean? He's splitting those hairs down to the microscopic level, and for what?
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#228
"...his un/semi-informed opinion equals that of highly educated opinions."
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#235
I've started to wonder if it's performance art or something. Maybe *unintentional* performance art.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#239
"Do we have to call it 'climate change'? Doesn't 'climate going up and down' more accurately reflect
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#240
"Not quite as virulently racist as it used to be" is in *no way* the same thing as "not racist."
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#234
here is an opportuntiy to learn something about the source you used- you misread them completely
bettyellen
May 2014
#67
It's not about disagreement. It's a white person thinking he knows more about racism than people of
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#224
"He seems to be intentionally antagonizing people here by doing this." As opposed to this OP?
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#75
I read her reply. And it may be obvious she and I don't quite see eye to eye the whole way.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#62
Oh no- that was the perfect link for you. This is thread is all about the Miseducation of AJ...
bettyellen
May 2014
#119
What distinguishes what you are calling a pile-on thread from a thread in which MANY people are
Squinch
May 2014
#222
You can't "force recognition". In fact, forcing defensiveness is counterproductive. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
May 2014
#247
Holding a mirror in front of one's face will usually force recognition in those who care to see.
Gormy Cuss
May 2014
#294
that is exactly it, minimize, deny, cite sources they did not even understand.........
bettyellen
May 2014
#77
I don't see how dividing people by using offensive language can brings us together
KoKo
May 2014
#167
People of color and different genders have persecuted and been persecuted throughout history..
KoKo
May 2014
#176
Beg to differ...I never said anything that you said I was saying in my replies...
KoKo
May 2014
#230
White privilege is not about making anyone the enemy. I don't know where you get that idea.
kwassa
May 2014
#287
Why did you post the same reply twice, and what does President Obama have to do with this?
kwassa
May 2014
#288
"You hijack threads everytime and make it all about you." Not really accurate.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#138
In leftist academia, the idea of white privilege is a given. It is not up for debate...
Gravitycollapse
May 2014
#53
"It is not up for debate... It's more like an undeniable consciousness."
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#244
Maybe he'll learn that he actually needs supporting evidence to back up his pet theories...
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#246
"But there are additional obstacles in the way of black people....." That's true.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#130
Uh-huh. Sure. "White privilege has ALWAYS meant literal privileges white people get"
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#175
"because you've pulled this whole thing out of your ass." Nah. Just observing something that has....
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#181
"In the same way that many bigots wish we'd call them something else." LOL, no.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#187
Yes, in the same way that 5 year olds don't dictate theories on linear algebra.
Gravitycollapse
May 2014
#191
You mean those of us who accept the reality of systemic disadvantages, but realize that.............
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#208
The untold number of educated persons who have travelled through academia...
Gravitycollapse
May 2014
#218
Thanks for finally being the one to take the gloves off. This had to be done at some point. n/t
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#251
And why is this so important that you've filled up entire threads with it?
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#250
I think they just want you to stop insisting that your viewpoint is somehow more informed than
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#262
Nope. And TBH, I honestly would have felt quite insulted, had it come from certain other folks.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#165
I'd look in the mirror if I were you.....at least in regards to the latter.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#183
Almost everyone here agrees as to the concept and definition of privilege ...
1StrongBlackMan
May 2014
#196
"People have responded to you in good faith".....some have, and some haven't.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#273
You have spent six months arguing with black people about a term you don't like.
bravenak
May 2014
#282
I took offense at your comments, because you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
kwassa
May 2014
#290
this is old, but it's what got you bounced from Environment and Energy (note: I was not a host then)
CreekDog
May 2014
#278
You only think that because you're too caught up in your own arrogance to see otherwise. nt
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#266
Why oh why, does a person who knows so little about a subject, have to go around pontificating
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#227
"Denial of white privilege by privileged whites" If you knew me.....you wouldn't be saying that.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#269