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In reply to the discussion: No! I will not Stop it! ... [View all]RainDog
(28,784 posts)91. Here's the context for this thread
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JJChambers: The anti-democrat censorship by the extreme left on DU is why so many are enjoying discussionist. Sometimes the truth hurts. This is supposed to be a Democrat forum and yet center-left DEMOCRATS frequently have their opinions censored by activist far-left juries.
My comment here now: This is a common argument among people on various sides of issues when their posts get hidden. Skinner said that there is no jury rigging according to his data. fwiw.
AverageJoe90 (8,158 posts) 13. It does happen, unfortunately. And it needs to be addressed.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
True, true. In my own personal experience, this seems to be especially apparent when I have attempted to explain why a certain version of "white privilege" theory(that is, the literalist one, the one in which white people as a collective supposedly have actual tangible privilege that they actively benefit from every day.) so beloved by certain elements on DU doesn't make sense, or exist in any real form...
...And in every single case, I'm not the only one who's pointed this stuff out. But some people, for whatever reason, whether they're trolls or other malcontents with an axe to grind, or just passionate people who happen to fall on the wrong side of things who just get really caught up on their arguments(in my experience, the latter has constituted the majority of cases that I've dealt with).....just can't seem to get a clue or let go. And I mean no offense to any of the people who fall into the latter group, at least, by the way. Because I know you guys, at least, are decent folks thru and thru.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
True, true. In my own personal experience, this seems to be especially apparent when I have attempted to explain why a certain version of "white privilege" theory(that is, the literalist one, the one in which white people as a collective supposedly have actual tangible privilege that they actively benefit from every day.) so beloved by certain elements on DU doesn't make sense, or exist in any real form...
...And in every single case, I'm not the only one who's pointed this stuff out. But some people, for whatever reason, whether they're trolls or other malcontents with an axe to grind, or just passionate people who happen to fall on the wrong side of things who just get really caught up on their arguments(in my experience, the latter has constituted the majority of cases that I've dealt with).....just can't seem to get a clue or let go. And I mean no offense to any of the people who fall into the latter group, at least, by the way. Because I know you guys, at least, are decent folks thru and thru.
My comment now, to you: NO ONE MAKES THE CLAIM HERE BUT YOU that there is "literalist" white privilege vs any other kind. Why? Because your claim does not exist outside of your own mind and those who are right wingers who disparage minorities by mocking the concept by misinterpreting it - WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE IN THIS QUOTE.
Iow - you have invented a strawman argument that you bring up, over and over and over and over again here. When anyone notes you do not understand the concept, you claim they don't understand the concept THAT YOU INVENTED TO DISAGREE WITH OTHERS HERE. (Pardon me for yelling, but I want to make sure you hear what is said at this moment.)
1SBM notes that you keep spinning this yarn about an imaginary difference that you have tried to explain to others here, while iirc, 1SBM works or did as a civil rights lawyer, so he might be a tad bit more familiar with this issue than you, and his life experience might be a tad different. Not to mention others here who have done their time in academia who have a tad bit more understanding of the term, not to mention the sources cited to you.
Your response, ALWAYS is that your opinion has as much value as those with actual knowledge and understanding. This is why I noted, in the past, that your arguments here remind me of creationists who think their opinions should have equal weight in regard to science. They shouldn't. Your arguments on this subject don't either. When others note this, you don't care and become the person who has been abused by those who simply get tired of you doing this over and over.
Which is why I came to the conclusion that you might not be operating here in good faith.
The only reason I am even taking this up again is that I am SICK of seeing what are, essentially, right wing arguments here, or trollish posts from right wing racist sites, or see some guy pretend that his current economic hardship is the equivalent to systemic racism.
To see this, over and over, leads someone to question why this occurs. There are several reasons this may occur - 1) someone is so self centered he cannot grant some grace to his own life by looking beyond it, 2) someone is intentionally disrupting 3) someone lacks the intelligence to understand he is behaving like a right wing troll, or 4) - I can't really logically find any other reasons other than the ones I listed.
If you can explain your behavior otherwise, please do. It's not enough to say you mean well, because whether you mean well or not, you are not doing something good to do what you are doing here.
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I got a hide for questioning someone about purported "oppression" of white men here.......
bettyellen
May 2014
#1
Exactly! They create an alternate universe and then chastise you when you don't conform
R B Garr
May 2014
#9
there are no facts presented, AJ. None at all. Maybe you should use IMHO more, because that would be
bettyellen
May 2014
#33
Jesus H. Christ. It's not a goddamn pet theory. The name has been around for decades...
Gravitycollapse
May 2014
#70
I hate to see these passages repeated, but yeah, no one should tell you to 'stop it!'
freshwest
May 2014
#85
WTF does that even mean? He's splitting those hairs down to the microscopic level, and for what?
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#228
"...his un/semi-informed opinion equals that of highly educated opinions."
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#235
I've started to wonder if it's performance art or something. Maybe *unintentional* performance art.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#239
"Do we have to call it 'climate change'? Doesn't 'climate going up and down' more accurately reflect
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#240
"Not quite as virulently racist as it used to be" is in *no way* the same thing as "not racist."
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#234
here is an opportuntiy to learn something about the source you used- you misread them completely
bettyellen
May 2014
#67
It's not about disagreement. It's a white person thinking he knows more about racism than people of
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#224
"He seems to be intentionally antagonizing people here by doing this." As opposed to this OP?
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#75
I read her reply. And it may be obvious she and I don't quite see eye to eye the whole way.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#62
Oh no- that was the perfect link for you. This is thread is all about the Miseducation of AJ...
bettyellen
May 2014
#119
What distinguishes what you are calling a pile-on thread from a thread in which MANY people are
Squinch
May 2014
#222
You can't "force recognition". In fact, forcing defensiveness is counterproductive. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
May 2014
#247
Holding a mirror in front of one's face will usually force recognition in those who care to see.
Gormy Cuss
May 2014
#294
that is exactly it, minimize, deny, cite sources they did not even understand.........
bettyellen
May 2014
#77
I don't see how dividing people by using offensive language can brings us together
KoKo
May 2014
#167
People of color and different genders have persecuted and been persecuted throughout history..
KoKo
May 2014
#176
Beg to differ...I never said anything that you said I was saying in my replies...
KoKo
May 2014
#230
White privilege is not about making anyone the enemy. I don't know where you get that idea.
kwassa
May 2014
#287
Why did you post the same reply twice, and what does President Obama have to do with this?
kwassa
May 2014
#288
"You hijack threads everytime and make it all about you." Not really accurate.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#138
In leftist academia, the idea of white privilege is a given. It is not up for debate...
Gravitycollapse
May 2014
#53
"It is not up for debate... It's more like an undeniable consciousness."
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#244
Maybe he'll learn that he actually needs supporting evidence to back up his pet theories...
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#246
"But there are additional obstacles in the way of black people....." That's true.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#130
Uh-huh. Sure. "White privilege has ALWAYS meant literal privileges white people get"
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#175
"because you've pulled this whole thing out of your ass." Nah. Just observing something that has....
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#181
"In the same way that many bigots wish we'd call them something else." LOL, no.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#187
Yes, in the same way that 5 year olds don't dictate theories on linear algebra.
Gravitycollapse
May 2014
#191
You mean those of us who accept the reality of systemic disadvantages, but realize that.............
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#208
The untold number of educated persons who have travelled through academia...
Gravitycollapse
May 2014
#218
Thanks for finally being the one to take the gloves off. This had to be done at some point. n/t
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#251
And why is this so important that you've filled up entire threads with it?
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#250
I think they just want you to stop insisting that your viewpoint is somehow more informed than
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#262
Nope. And TBH, I honestly would have felt quite insulted, had it come from certain other folks.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#165
I'd look in the mirror if I were you.....at least in regards to the latter.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#183
Almost everyone here agrees as to the concept and definition of privilege ...
1StrongBlackMan
May 2014
#196
"People have responded to you in good faith".....some have, and some haven't.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#273
You have spent six months arguing with black people about a term you don't like.
bravenak
May 2014
#282
I took offense at your comments, because you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
kwassa
May 2014
#290
this is old, but it's what got you bounced from Environment and Energy (note: I was not a host then)
CreekDog
May 2014
#278
You only think that because you're too caught up in your own arrogance to see otherwise. nt
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#266
Why oh why, does a person who knows so little about a subject, have to go around pontificating
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#227
"Denial of white privilege by privileged whites" If you knew me.....you wouldn't be saying that.
AverageJoe90
May 2014
#269