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MADem

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170. And, instead of contributing your deep research to THAT thread, you decided to make one of your own!

Mon May 19, 2014, 11:29 PM

May 2014

Because, HEAVEN FORFEND, if you did that, your post might only get the attention IT DESERVES, and no more!!!!!

I really think these "offshoot threads" are rude and unhelpful. They don't seem to be the product of anyone who cares about honest debate--otherwise they'd be associated with the PARENT thread, or at least REFERENCE it.

People who are immature and attention-seeking WANT to leave people saying "What the fuck?" and replying out of context, so they can then jump and play the Cool Kid In The Know, but they really say far more about the person creating them than they realize.

People who want to have conversations with others have them. WITH OTHERS. They don't start separate, portentous threads with flame bait titles.

Keep stirring, if that's what you need. It's all you seem able to do of late, and I am noticing--I'll bet I'm not alone. Lights, camera, action! The camera is on YOU!

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Porn. Rape? [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2014 OP

Link please. sheshe2 May 2014 #1

here: MannyGoldstein May 2014 #2

Wow. You nailed it. Just like this. BainsBane May 2014 #3

Did you not understand what I wrote in my post? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #4

It proves no more than my chart does BainsBane May 2014 #6

if anything, stats on reporting should have gone up even if the actual number stayed the same yurbud May 2014 #12

You are either purposely obtuse, MannyGoldstein May 2014 #13

More from your link.*****Trigger Warning************ sheshe2 May 2014 #17

Are you claiming that I, in any way, commend or enable this sickness? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #22

I went to your link Manny. sheshe2 May 2014 #23

That's ridiculous. It's government data. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #24

Wow. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #46

+1 Kurska May 2014 #52

Relic of the Clinton era? n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #131

I have to agree with Manny on this one. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #56

Moi aussi, er, me too! rock May 2014 #75

Wait a minute... rrneck May 2014 #81

The *****Trigger Warning************ is MannyGoldstein May 2014 #154

If you are arguing correlation does not cause causation Harmony Blue May 2014 #7

like all violent crime, it has declined due to demographic changes BainsBane May 2014 #9

The percentage of young men has dropped by 80%? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #15

You aren't even trying to deal with this issue seriously BainsBane May 2014 #36

Certainly, we can agree on something: MannyGoldstein May 2014 #107

My understanding of crime statistics gollygee May 2014 #41

Question if I may? Sissyk May 2014 #132

Well obviously gollygee May 2014 #133

Freakonomics? Seriously? markpkessinger May 2014 #167

That's ironic gollygee May 2014 #175

No, it isn't the same at all... markpkessinger May 2014 #181

that chart doesn't make any sense d_r May 2014 #25

Wow. Thanks, I guess BainsBane May 2014 #35

HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE SACRED SCRIPTURES Warren DeMontague May 2014 #38

neither of the charts account for recent increase in pirates off the African coast maggiesfarmer May 2014 #163

I know, right nt d_r May 2014 #168

Here let me explain a basic stats concepts to you. Kurska May 2014 #48

Maybe you should leave the stats explanations to people who know the first thing about statistics. DanTex May 2014 #58

So it's not just your OP's where you talk down to people Capt. Obvious May 2014 #60

Statistical illiteracy is a pet peeve of mine. DanTex May 2014 #63

Then you should work at it MannyGoldstein May 2014 #64

Really? LOL. Doubling down on innumeracy? DanTex May 2014 #66

Bonus points for using "innumeracy" on the 40th anniversary of Rubik's Cube. riqster May 2014 #112

Except, you're wrong about what you said you know n/t Kurska May 2014 #69

Can you name a few instances with there's causation, but very strong observed anticorrelation? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #65

Sure. Here's one just for you. DanTex May 2014 #67

You'd better tell the American Medical Association that they're wrong, and quick! MannyGoldstein May 2014 #73

Sigh. I think you'd be better off having Kurska fight your battles for you. DanTex May 2014 #79

"obesity reduces life expectancy" MannyGoldstein May 2014 #83

Umm, that JAMA study you linked to, for one... DanTex May 2014 #89

I find this kind of funny, given that BMI isn't even a good measure of obesity. Kurska May 2014 #90

Sure, that's fine, but the increased mortality even shows up using BMI, evidently. DanTex May 2014 #93

It isn't a weak measure, it is a bad measure. Kurska May 2014 #96

Overweight people had reduced mortality compared to "normals" MannyGoldstein May 2014 #104

The population-level correlation is actually very large. Did you look at those charts? DanTex May 2014 #114

Alright I'm taking the gloves off. Kurska May 2014 #74

Splashing up some graphs of long-term trends is useless. DanTex May 2014 #77

National trends aren't useless information. Kurska May 2014 #80

Not always, but in this case it probably is. DanTex May 2014 #91

Except he never claimed it was causing a decrease in rapes. Also you just used the P word wrong. Kurska May 2014 #95

Yes, the problem is that this isn't "good evidence" of anything. DanTex May 2014 #99

We have a massive increase in porn consumption nationally. Kurska May 2014 #101

I don't think it's "good evidence" of anything. DanTex May 2014 #106

I agree, there really is only one worthy take home from this information. Kurska May 2014 #110

And MannyGoldstein May 2014 #148

He seems to be conflating what you said and the what the OP said. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #82

You're right that certainly does seem to be the case Kurska May 2014 #87

Actually, I'm right about causation not requiring correlation. DanTex May 2014 #115

positive or negative correlation is still correlation. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #120

What are you talking about? What nitpicking? DanTex May 2014 #121

Righto, give me one example of Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #122

Umm, measured correlations hardly ever come out to exactly 0, causation or not. DanTex May 2014 #125

That's funny, because I found the exact same link. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #127

You've had statistics courses? Hmm. I guess you didn't get far enough to cover "correlation". DanTex May 2014 #130

And btw, the first link I found that claims what you're saying Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #126

No it doesn't hinge on a "choice" of definition. It's *the* definition of correlation. DanTex May 2014 #128

If you reduce any system to just two variables in a causal relationship. Kurska May 2014 #160

A correlation is a precisely defined bivariate statistic, it's not some vague term. DanTex May 2014 #166

Wow did you even read my entire post? Kurska May 2014 #68

I believe he knows more than you Capt. Obvious May 2014 #72

Yes, I did. DanTex May 2014 #76

Jesus, I never said it proved squat. Kurska May 2014 #78

And I quote: "That is why the argument he is making here is valid." DanTex May 2014 #97

I probably should have said "worthy of consideration" Kurska May 2014 #98

OK, I think we understand each other by now. DanTex May 2014 #100

I do believe you had valid concerns. I'm happy I could help address them. Kurska May 2014 #102

Which is probably why the OP didn't say it proved anything tkmorris May 2014 #84

But did Manny sound as smart when he said it? Capt. Obvious May 2014 #88

Well, he did say that it "seems to counter" a link between rape and porn. DanTex May 2014 #119

It either has a pretty small effect compared to other factors, MannyGoldstein May 2014 #149

That's true, but does/did anyone really believe that porn is the primary cause of rape? DanTex May 2014 #153

... MannyGoldstein May 2014 #158

+1 for statistics. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #71

nicely done Vattel May 2014 #161

I predict much wailing and gnashing of teeth ... 1000words May 2014 #5

Have a beer and some popcorn. pintobean May 2014 #11

One chart from an entire article is very misleading at best. sheshe2 May 2014 #8

Those don't invalidate these data. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #21

They don't even say that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #86

There's no conclusive proof either way, there's basically 2 schools of thought... Hippo_Tron May 2014 #10

3) porn is like music: people pick the stuff that fits their bent yurbud May 2014 #16

That's basically #2 Hippo_Tron May 2014 #20

I was on the jury; here are the results: I hope whoever alerted will read these comments. CaliforniaPeggy May 2014 #14

Thanks for the info. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #19

Juror #5 needs to get the fuck over themselves... truebrit71 May 2014 #124

some of these comments are disgusting Skittles May 2014 #27

Commenting is their right. n/t CaliforniaPeggy May 2014 #29

WTF Skittles May 2014 #30

I thought the comments weren't hateful, but rather more full of empathy for the alerter. CaliforniaPeggy May 2014 #31

The first comment came across as pure vendetta. Nothing objective there. R B Garr May 2014 #32

THANK YOU Skittles May 2014 #34

It wasn't the first. It was the fifth... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #39

there was no empathy in the comments , it was condescending bs JI7 May 2014 #33

If the alert was a post, that post would have been hidden. Kurska May 2014 #51

I wouldn't vote to hide Juror #1's comment. pintobean May 2014 #59

The alerter seems to have read a different OP than the rest of us. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #92

When people want an example of how the alert system is used to try to silence opposing viewpoints, hughee99 May 2014 #142

^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Feb 2015 #182

However, the incidents of eye-strain and heavy breathing have gone up. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #18

Obesity? Rape? MADem May 2014 #26

Correlation doesn't prove causation, as I acknowledged in my post MannyGoldstein May 2014 #44

So why throw gasoline on the fire, if correlation doesn't prove causation? MADem May 2014 #134

+1 sheshe2 May 2014 #151

You are entirely welcome. MADem May 2014 #171

There was a thread yesterday where porn was called out as a cause of sexual violence MannyGoldstein May 2014 #157

And, instead of contributing your deep research to THAT thread, you decided to make one of your own! MADem May 2014 #170

Your obsession with my betterment is flattering, MannyGoldstein May 2014 #172

I'm not interested in "bettering" you, Manny. MADem May 2014 #173

I wonder how many rapes are committed by pirates who watch porn... undeterred May 2014 #28

You are claiming correlation equals causation and TBH throwing out flame bait intaglio May 2014 #37

No. I specifically said I was NOT claiming that MannyGoldstein May 2014 #40

By now you should know, Manny. It doesn't make a bit of difference what ... 11 Bravo May 2014 #70

Have you actually looked at the OP? intaglio May 2014 #117

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #116

A jury disagreed with you, 6-1 MannyGoldstein May 2014 #123

That's their perception - not mine intaglio May 2014 #135

So you're wondering if I'm stating one thing but implying another? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #136

I know for a fact you were implying another intaglio May 2014 #137

We can agree on one thing: MannyGoldstein May 2014 #138

No he isn't Kurska May 2014 #49

Wrong, you have not read the OP intaglio May 2014 #118

Sorry, but you're dead wrong. Jim Lane May 2014 #141

wow, did you ever misread his post. Vattel May 2014 #169

Yes. bemildred May 2014 #42

lmao. Pokemon porn! Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #109

No expertise needed. Just simple common sense. Jamastiene May 2014 #43

Thank you for pointing out that a rapist justiceischeap May 2014 #45

I would never say the number of rapes has gone down. Jamastiene May 2014 #47

According to the chart, the incidence of REPORTED rapes is down. Jim Lane May 2014 #108

I suspect a high percentage. .. pipoman May 2014 #54

I believe the biggest single factor pipoman May 2014 #50

A post of yours I agree with! gollygee May 2014 #53

I agree that if there is a reluctance to pipoman May 2014 #57

I have no idea whether porn causes rape, but this doesn't prove or disprove anything. DanTex May 2014 #55

Kurska explained it better than I did MannyGoldstein May 2014 #61

Your explanation was even worse than Kurska's, I'll give you that... DanTex May 2014 #62

I'm agnostic as to this issue. dawg May 2014 #85

Not a valid conclusion until all factors are considered DrDan May 2014 #94

Is that from the Anthony D’Amato paper ? jakeXT May 2014 #103

Do you have anything that shows correlation? Pretty important. nt. NCTraveler May 2014 #105

Porn watching might -- MIGHT -- lower rape, but I don't consider porn watchers feminists. ancianita May 2014 #111

Well, female porn performers in porn make more than male porn performers. Orrex May 2014 #113

That's not saying much, in my view. ancianita May 2014 #159

What part of the male performer is worth 60% to 84% less than the female performer? Orrex May 2014 #162

the 60 to 84% less people that watch the movie to see the naked man maggiesfarmer May 2014 #164

Or... Orrex May 2014 #165

Overall the violent stats are down by a similar amount, my guess is there is something bigger at bettyellen May 2014 #129

You have not provided any proof to show it back a claim or counter claim. NCTraveler May 2014 #139

Nope. nt MannyGoldstein May 2014 #140

I get it. You are showing how politicians use statistics to back up their "personal" beliefs. nt. NCTraveler May 2014 #144

Nope. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein May 2014 #146

The problem is that the OP's phrase "seem to counter" is annoyingly vague. Jim Lane May 2014 #143

Marking to read later. At work and don't want to skim it. Thanks. nt. NCTraveler May 2014 #145

Vague, but the best that can be said MannyGoldstein May 2014 #147

Statistical analysis is not law. [n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #152

Yes, I know. That wasn't my point. Jim Lane May 2014 #155

Agreed. Maedhros May 2014 #156

Imagine if prostitution was legalized. 951-Riverside May 2014 #174

"no rules" leaves it open to exploitation Prophet 451 May 2014 #176

People are already being exploited right now. 951-Riverside May 2014 #179

Dangerously libertarian Prophet 451 May 2014 #180

Prostitutes get raped gollygee May 2014 #177

Correlation is not causation Prophet 451 May 2014 #178