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135. I wanted to post a little more information for DU'ers who have been defending
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:33 AM
May 2014

Last edited Wed May 14, 2014, 08:26 PM - Edit history (2)

Right Sector and the neo-nazi rallies from the beginning of events in Ukraine. This information should also make those individuals who believed the Maidan protests were peaceful and well intentioned and that the violence levels were just the norm, think twice......this is what those Right Sector individuals did when they got inside the government building in Odessa, as told by a woman who was trapped with these murderers and watched many people die at their hands.


Eyewitness speaks of horror at Odessa Trade Unions Assembly Hall on 2 May 2014 | Русская весна

An eyewitness provides evidence of murders and horrorful crimes committed by the ultra-nationalists and nazi agressors at Odessa Trade Unions Assembly Hall on 2 May 2014.

Transcribed and translated from



i cannot specify the exact daytime…

Here is what happened:

when i was at the Cathedral square («Sobornaja ploschadi») i saw right in front of my eyes
the ultra-nationalists cutting the throat of a 40 year old man.

they shouted to him «Slava Ukraine!», and he told them «i am just an Odessa man»
so they pulled him to the ground and cut his throat

i felt so shocked i immediately experienced an urge to escape, so i ran to a taxi and went to «Kulikovo pole» place.
when i arrived, i saw tents surrounded by barriers of tires, sand bags, some posters — covering the entire perimeter.

the events developed very rapidly from that point on: i heard someone say that the Assembly building may provide
a safer protection against an incoming attack, and then people started carrying their stuff
from the tents inside the Assembly building.

aggressors arrived on white-and-black painted minibuses, although some of them might have taken different means to ge to the place.

once i was inside the Assembly building, i saw mid-aged and young people, men and women, as well as some adolescent children.
nobody of the people running for cove inside the Assembly building had guns or any weapons, no people were armed.

i remember a big lobby leading to a staircase and some space to the left where one could run,
i don’t remember any spaces providing any escape routes to the right.
most people i saw immediately took to the staircase and went upstairs.

i did not run with the majority, i went to the left into a corridor running between a number of office rooms.
i entered one of the rooms, don’t remember the office number, but i remember seeing a big bag stuck with (wooden?) poles.
men were all coming to that bag, women were dividing available
first aid items such as anti-ceptics, lint, surgical cotton etc. into smaller portions
and sharing those.

opposite to this office room, there was an auxilliary exit, or escape exit from the building, and its door was not locked.
men tried to put office boxes next to the door, but that just wasn’t enough. basically, one could use that door quite easily…
that was my memory of the 1st floor.

i then went up to 2nd floor and saw people trying to fortify the walls between offices, which i did not understand for i thought
that kind of activity might obstruct effective escape if/when escaping becomes necessary.
also, as soon as i could glance out of 2nd floor windows, i realised that the Assembly building is completely surrounded by the ultras/fascists.

another fact: there was absolutely no water in the building.
the water was cutoff before the ultras/fascists began their attacks, before the bottles with flammable liquids and «Molotov cocktails» got thrown into the building

i saw some women succeeded to fill their bottles with water, and some of them were poring this water trying to cover under-window space on the outside.
i remember from school that flammable substances do not mix with water, creating a thin film on top of water,
assuming the water layer keeps spreading, the flame is bound to be spreading at the same speed, which is higher than without the water layer.
i objected to these women’s poring the water out, and that process was stopped.

then i went up to 3rd floor, looked around…

i realised that some space between the 2nd and 3rd floor is getting burned.
timewise, the burning started about 30 minutes after we got inside the Assembly building altogether.
thinking that the fire is bound to spread up, i decided to go down.

then i heard heavy noise and shooting, i mean, they were shooting inside the building.
there happened to be a man with a fire extinguisher, who saw me trying to go downstairs. he stopped me by saying
«the ultra-nationalists „Pravyj Sektor“ is already there, don’t go down»
i said «isn’t that too fast?» he said «don’t go down»
i decided to follow his advice

as i went back up to 3rd floor, a very thin man from lower floors came up, saying the ultra-nationalists were taking over, defenders were outnumbered and required support.
i saw 4 people go downstairs with him, i did not go.

did those defenders have weapons?

no, none of the defending people had any weapons

i then saw a man who burned… right, that was a male body, then a female body was brought from the 4th floor

then there came a thick smoke mixture with gas — i can’t describe it in specific details, but i could not stay surrounded by this mixture for more than a couple minutes

do you know what was burning, what caused this kind of smoke?

no, i don’t know… but a couple minutes in this smoke — and you stop realising wat goes on, you lose ability to think or recognise things:
as soon as i realised that i start experiencing these things, i put a breething mask and ran away.

while running, i passed a staircase and heard a man shouting from below «ultras are coming up, save yourselves»

i then entered an office on the 3rd floor… some 33x-something number, maybe 336
the room had 10 men and 4 women including myself.
it was something like a «first aid room»

as soon as i got in, 2 men were brought in, and we checked to learn that they had no pulse, no vitals
we recognised that they were dead already and the 2 bodies were put along a wall

maybe 10 mins after that a masked guy briefly got in to inform us that the ultras/fascists were about to reach the 3rd floor
i remeber that it was a masked guy because people i saw up to that point iether had no masks at all, or had some light respiratory masks

as soon as we heard that man, the men in the room began to fortify the room entrance with storage shelves etc. — as much as we could.
they could not close it completely as there was some gap space between the shelves and the upper edge of the entrance.

thene there were several minutes of pure shootouts, no voices, numerous gun shots in the corridor and nothing else.

then we heard somebody asking us to let them in, they said they were being killed and asked for cover and help.

men were trying to evaluate whether the request was valid or not, but finally decided to ease defenses and try to check.

as soon as they opened 5–7 cantimeter gap by moving shelves sideways, we got immediately shot from the outside.

i remember looking into the eyes of a masked guy from the corridor, and he was looking into my eyes, as i heard something very quickly passing near my ear with a high pitch sound.
i turned around and saw a bullet in the wall.

then i fell down behind the table trying to get under some protection as i heard cheering from the corridor " yeeeaahhh! we just shot another «colorados» girl! «

i cannot describe my shock… i mean, we were looking eye-to-eye and he shot me from a military gun…

then all our men inside the room moved swiftly to shut the entrance with the shelves while women went crazy crying «help us!»

there was this gap space between the shelves and the upper edge of the entrance, probably large enough for a compact guy to get in —
so the attackers released gas from fire extinguishers into this gap, and then empties 3–4 other gas caskets.
(this was probably CO2 from gas extinguishers and some neuro-paralytic gas from the other caskets)

felling this endlessly terrifying shock, i stopped recognising sounds, but i remember us crying out «don’t kill!»

the gas got in and filled the entire space, it was immobile, and had all features of a concetrated gas cloud.
Despite a couple of big windows open, we did not feel any air coming in at all.
We felt this airless situation went forever, although the actual time count might have been 15 mins.

the defending men were holding on as far as they could, and then we saw some of them loosing orientation — the support of shelves and entrance fortification weakened.
once the defences weakened, hell took over: the atackers got inside and killed all the men immediately.

the women were all sat on chairs in a row by the wall leading up to one of the windows.
opposite us there were those 2 dead bodies i spoke of earlier on, who we identified as lacking vitals…

the attackers began hitting those bodies with bats etc.
we told them that those men were already dead, and the two bodies — only bodies, but they kept on hitting and hitting.

also, once the attackers got in, someone shouted from the corridor: save the bullets, use hands (to kill).

then there was on order to move everybody into the basement service place, and move women somewhere else.

all defending men were killed, the bodies were pulled around the ground.

i don’t know where the woman that was taken first — where she went, or where she is now…

when the started taking me, i told them that i have a little infant, appealing so they spare me.

in the corridor i heard: «get one (woman) here for screwing, and the other — to the basement»

i reached for my mobile phone and showed them a picture of my child, saying
«look: this is my baby, it’s only 3 years old, i am a plain Odessa woman… why are you guys doing these crazy things?»

someone shouted «right, and i am a local football team fan, and you’ll never succeed with your Odessa republic shit»

they had a leader, a man in mid-thirties, very-well equipped with his body fully protected, a big guy.
he had a drum revolver and i saw him loading bullets into the drum.

meanwhile many bodies were being pulled on the ground… i don’t know if there were anybody alive among those…

too many bodies everywhere… when they took me from the first aid office on the 3rd floor,
we could not help but step on bodies as we walked
after some time walking, we reached some room that only had blood everywhere…

the wounded were all finished off…

yes, at least there is another girl that i keep in touch with now, who was with me at the «first aid room» — she can confirm everything,
although she is now hiding wit her husband, who also was in the building and got badly burned.

they have to hide because the «SBU» people hit the hospitals on 3 May 2014 and
acquired all personal information of all people related to 2 May events at the Assembly building who contacted medical workers

total horror..... Video link to interview: It is in Russian.


You can read it here: http://rusvesna.su/english/1400016063


Graphic warning: Pictures of elderly women and pensioners burned alive in Odessa government building fire....including a pregnant woman who was strangled and another woman who was raped. The extremely violent radical youth who threw the molotov cocktails at them are supported fully by the United States.

http://ucmopuockon.livejournal.com/5885397.html



Now, after reading that, if you are at DU and still defending what the Right Sector, that is represented as part of the new Coup Ukrainian government, that we, the USA, support.....then you need to look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself who you are and what you stand for in this life.....because what those people did is horrific.
Look at all those terrorists!!!!!! [View all] go west young man May 2014 OP
Thanks for all of this, polly7 May 2014 #1
A little analysis.... go west young man May 2014 #11
Good analysis, except for #7 anti partisan May 2014 #15
Yeah....your probably right.... go west young man May 2014 #18
Happy, determined people hoping and praying the big guy ballyhoo May 2014 #2
I'm having trouble finding my normal stalkers... go west young man May 2014 #3
Maybe an angel whispered in their ears.... ballyhoo May 2014 #4
Absolutely perfect for the occasion! go west young man May 2014 #5
OMG, that was geat, man! I had never heard of her. What a song. I'm ballyhoo May 2014 #6
I only like the good country....the old stuff.... go west young man May 2014 #7
Another great one...Well, let's end it on a happy tune by George H and the boys... ballyhoo May 2014 #9
Awesome! go west young man May 2014 #10
And Iris Dement is one of the greatest unknown legends in American country music. go west young man May 2014 #8
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #62
What the hell does that mean? nt. polly7 May 2014 #65
Wow....just wow.. go west young man May 2014 #68
you don't have a clue what you are talking about snooper2 May 2014 #72
That is a childish pedantic video.... go west young man May 2014 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author tralala May 2014 #113
These referendums are a coup for the separatists. So to speak. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #12
The question now is what exactly the separatists as a body want. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #13
Well considering that one side.... go west young man May 2014 #14
I don't buy the angelic or evil nature argument for either side. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #17
Ok let's try this again.... go west young man May 2014 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Gravitycollapse May 2014 #23
I wrote 4:08......not 4:50.... go west young man May 2014 #25
You're actually correct on this. I will delete my former post. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #29
Also, are you really saying their helmets look like this? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #24
I won't be responding to you from here on out. go west young man May 2014 #26
For those still paying attention, the photo I posted is of a Soviet helmet, not a Nazi one. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #28
I have to just respond to this last post of yours then I'm done with you..... go west young man May 2014 #32
Here's the other side..... go west young man May 2014 #16
I don't think you want to be locked out of this thread for posting part of a hidden OP. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #19
Check my post above. go west young man May 2014 #21
And thanks for the threat. go west young man May 2014 #22
Poster has not responded in over 11 hours at this point.... go west young man May 2014 #70
As Usual, Sir, Your 'Photo Evidence' Is Nothing The Magistrate May 2014 #27
sigh .... polly7 May 2014 #30
Again, Ma'am: He Cites His Source, Strategic Culture Foundation The Magistrate May 2014 #31
Here is the correct link for the photos. polly7 May 2014 #33
I Am Often Moved To Wonder, Ma'am, If People Read What They Post The Magistrate May 2014 #35
you left off the last part of that though (again) polly7 May 2014 #38
Do You Seriously Think, Ma'am, That Trumps His Own Statement Of His Source? The Magistrate May 2014 #42
I GET how upset you are over the mention of NATO! polly7 May 2014 #43
So You Agree With These Statements, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2014 #44
The raised fist is a symbol of solidarity and defiance. NuclearDem May 2014 #34
Please go to the 4:08 mark in post 20 and tell me what you see. go west young man May 2014 #36
A gift for you....enjoy go west young man May 2014 #39
Poster has still not responded after 9 hours.... go west young man May 2014 #71
I never said there weren't fascists in Ukraine. NuclearDem May 2014 #76
I asked you to address the 4:08 mark in the video in post 20 go west young man May 2014 #77
No, I'm not going to go through the videos. NuclearDem May 2014 #78
You've made my point for me with this last post of yours. go west young man May 2014 #82
Funny how many times you've said you won't be responding to me anymore. NuclearDem May 2014 #87
I'd bet they'd settle for being autonomous regions linked to the Ukraine eridani May 2014 #37
The best part of your post.... go west young man May 2014 #40
It is all in reaction to Kyiv. I have no doubt that they would have preferred federalization several newthinking May 2014 #97
More pertinent info coming together.... go west young man May 2014 #148
Thanks for this thread. You just convinced me to write to the White House. MohRokTah May 2014 #41
If you've read through all the verifiable evidence, as laid out in go west young man May 2014 #45
Dude, there were no voter rolls. Think about that for a second. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #46
+1 n/t FSogol May 2014 #47
Careful now on calling anyone else a fool ..... polly7 May 2014 #48
And You, Ma'am, Have Indicated No Disagreement With These Statements.... The Magistrate May 2014 #49
Still not one single, tiny comment on the actual polly7 May 2014 #50
That, Ma'am, Amounts To A Yes The Magistrate May 2014 #53
No, that amounts to you deliberately mis-stating what I posted and think .... yet again. polly7 May 2014 #54
I Have Mis-Stated Nothing, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2014 #56
Yes, you definitely have! lol, and you seem to be stuck on loop or repeat. nt. polly7 May 2014 #58
Again, Ma'am, All You Do Is Demonstrate My Point The Magistrate May 2014 #60
So are you trying to say the pictures were faked? polly7 May 2014 #61
The Descriptions, Ma'am, Are Speculation And Fantasy The Magistrate May 2014 #63
My eyes work just fine, thanks. nt. polly7 May 2014 #64
It Is Not The Working Of Your Eyes Your Comments Call Into Question, Ma'am... The Magistrate May 2014 #66
Clear your cache or something ..... nt. polly7 May 2014 #67
You Cannot Wriggle Off The Point, Ma'am, No Matter How You Try The Magistrate May 2014 #69
Of course when you frame it that way. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #51
LOL. polly7 May 2014 #52
Saying "coup", "fascist" and "neo-Nazi" over and over and over again as it relates to Ukraine... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #55
Exaaaactly. Facts ARE facts. polly7 May 2014 #57
Okay then. We're going somewhere now. So let's look at the facts. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #74
I support all of the people in those 6 videos I posted at the top.... go west young man May 2014 #59
There's no guarantee that any of those people were participating in a legitimate election. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #83
An Article Which Makes Some Interesting Points, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #85
As you now write, and I am placing this in quotes,.... go west young man May 2014 #88
So You Are A 'False Flag' Conspiracist, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #90
Even if we were to assume everything you claim is true.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #93
Before we were to assume.... go west young man May 2014 #95
And Again, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #96
You miss the point: Is this poll dependable? No. Do the lines indicate there is a very real issue? newthinking May 2014 #98
You Might Find This Article Interesting, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #103
Interesting opinion piece. What about my second question? newthinking May 2014 #105
Matters Of State Are Generally Contingent, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #106
I just saw this. Indeed they can't kick them out because they are afraid of them newthinking May 2014 #109
I Am Far from Agreeing, Sir, That Events In The East The Magistrate May 2014 #111
We have no idea whether the people in those lines were legitimate voters. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #112
Talk about conspiracy. And a lack of knowledge. Did you know that everyone in Ukraine is eligible to newthinking May 2014 #116
So there's no voter registration in Ukraine? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #117
You may want to check through the mainstream news sources I cited above.. go west young man May 2014 #132
If 80 percent to 90 percent ProSense May 2014 #73
Exactly, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2014 #75
Putin was against holding this vote. JackRiddler May 2014 #79
Putin also claimed his military was not involved in the Crimean annexation.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #89
So you can just make up any fantasy bullshit... JackRiddler May 2014 #118
He never "attempted to stop it." Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #119
It wasn't his to stop, see? JackRiddler May 2014 #120
Cut your bullshit. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #121
Thanks for your erudition, dad. JackRiddler May 2014 #122
Well, click your heels three times and say, "It was a coup." Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #123
If nothing else... JackRiddler May 2014 #124
Well, given that the truth is that there was no western sponsored coup.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #125
Your problem is with Yatsenyuk JackRiddler May 2014 #126
Let me get this straight: Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #127
In your imagination perhaps. JackRiddler May 2014 #129
Please understand what you are putting forward is a *conspiracy theory*. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #130
He Understands That, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #131
I'm still waiting. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #142
He's been around. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #145
John Pilger of the Guardian UK seems to disagree with you.... go west young man May 2014 #133
Sigh. A few things: Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #139
Check posts 138 and 140 down below. go west young man May 2014 #143
This is the third time you've thrown out that red herring. The third time. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #144
Nice choice of words, actually I'm sensing it all connecting together..... go west young man May 2014 #149
So your evidence of the coup is what? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #150
The Guardian starting to finally get it today. go west young man May 2014 #152
Are you ever going to actually answer the question? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #153
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service MannyGoldstein May 2014 #80
Thank you for the jury results Manny... go west young man May 2014 #84
Whatever. nt darkangel218 May 2014 #86
Whatever.... go west young man May 2014 #92
This Has Never Been A Site For 'False Flag' Cranks And Truthers, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #94
There is no "conspiracy" when Neo-Nazi leaders are in very Powerful positions in the administration newthinking May 2014 #101
Did You Read The Cited Quotes, Sir? The Magistrate May 2014 #102
Again: There are Neo-Nazi group leaders in powerful positions in Kyiv newthinking May 2014 #108
That Was, And Remains, Sir, A Specific Question The Magistrate May 2014 #110
I know about that conspracy theory as well as the flip one (Russian Provacateurs) that is out there newthinking May 2014 #114
Whether A Description Of An Event Is A Lie Or Not, Sir, Matters Very Much The Magistrate May 2014 #115
Seems some here are desperately trying to shutdown... malokvale77 May 2014 #91
Believe me.... go west young man May 2014 #100
Recommend! KoKo May 2014 #147
With all have read about this... Lady Freedom Returns May 2014 #99
One thing that nobody can deny - Neo-Nazi leaders are in very powerful positions in the administrat newthinking May 2014 #104
A lot of people.... go west young man May 2014 #107
More info coming together.... go west young man May 2014 #146
That's not freedom. 951-Riverside May 2014 #128
Well said Riverside.... go west young man May 2014 #134
I wanted to post a little more information for DU'ers who have been defending go west young man May 2014 #135
So awful:( polly7 May 2014 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author go west young man May 2014 #138
Stephen Cohen of The Nation now fully onboard. go west young man May 2014 #140
translation of the video is correct cerezha May 2014 #151
Thank you cerezha... go west young man May 2014 #154
'Russiaphobia' cerezha May 2014 #155
This message was self-deleted by its author go west young man May 2014 #136
I was expecting a Bush Family portrait. WinkyDink May 2014 #141
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