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airplaneman

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12. I think there is some real scientific information that is putting GMO into question

Mon May 12, 2014, 12:03 AM

May 2014

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/dangerous-levels-of-roundup-found-in-gmo-foods-across-u-s/

And then there is information about other countries:

http://rt.com/news/brazil-roundup-monsanto-ban-721/

Actually even if you are right I thought freedom was about the ability to make personal choices. If you choose not to eat GMO foods whether or not you are scientifically correct about your assumptions you have a right to do so. To suggest someone else should decide for us and prevent us from even knowing because I guess they are better than us this kind of takes us down the wrong road I think.

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Republicans are working on a bill to prevent states like Vermont [View all] pnwmom May 2014 OP

So much for states rights....eh. Historic NY May 2014 #1

Wait, be fair, remember republicans hate America, in that context this makes sense randys1 May 2014 #54

Well said. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #65

That's not true Fumesucker May 2014 #79

So much for the invisible hand of the free market. DetlefK May 2014 #56

Considering how much they claim the commerce clause has been abused Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #66

YOU ALL OWE ME MONEY FOR THE SUNSHINE!!! JackRiddler May 2014 #71

I suppose states rights only matter when those rights are aligned with conservative interests. nt ohnoyoudidnt May 2014 #120

That's the Republican committment to states rights for you. n/t Crunchy Frog May 2014 #2

And freedom. Jamaal510 May 2014 #13

But the Republican notion of freedom is the freedom of corporations to hide food ingredients. Enthusiast May 2014 #33

The fact the you put progressives in quotes answers your own question. Revanchist May 2014 #3

+++ 1,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #4

normally I'd agree with you, but I disagree on this issue.... mike_c May 2014 #5

I don't agree that the paternalistic choice is the correct one. pnwmom May 2014 #6

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #7

you know what is every one thinking? wisechoice May 2014 #8

Companies fighting labeling are proving they have no confidence in their prioduct. MohRokTah May 2014 #11

Exactly.. chickenshits are scared to death people are going to see the GMO Cha May 2014 #30

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba May 2014 #35

no, they oppose labeling because they know that scientifically illiterate consumers... mike_c May 2014 #43

A wonderfully illustrative example of 'post hoc ergo prompter hoc' LanternWaste May 2014 #55

That's what the same companies said about labeling monosodium glutamate, too. MohRokTah May 2014 #57

Oh no! Monsanto might not take over the world. JackRiddler May 2014 #67

this is the liberal version of climate change denial.... mike_c May 2014 #69

No, it's the usual libertarian-corporatist bullshit. JackRiddler May 2014 #73

I completely agree with this post.... mike_c May 2014 #74

Well I'm glad we can agree on the most important point then. JackRiddler May 2014 #75

which is the major reason I do not want to support Monsanto by purchasing GMO foods. bettyellen May 2014 #86

because GMOs are not the problem-- Monsanto's business behavior is the problem... mike_c May 2014 #90

I do not trust such an entity... JackRiddler May 2014 #92

I do not want to by GMOs, and I should not have to justify that decision to you- period. bettyellen May 2014 #93

I agree.... mike_c May 2014 #94

I bet I would not respect half your purchases, LOL. Who cares? People do not always make rational bettyellen May 2014 #95

No, it's mega corporations refusing full disclosure. MohRokTah May 2014 #115

...as is the consumer's right. Chan790 May 2014 #153

I think there is some real scientific information that is putting GMO into question airplaneman May 2014 #12

I'm not sure how I feel about labeling GMO foods. Bonx May 2014 #15

Well, science isn't for you or I to decide. alp227 May 2014 #20

And it shouldn't be for Monsanto to decide either. pnwmom May 2014 #25

Everyone throws around Monsanto's name like Dr Hobbitstein May 2014 #39

Yeah, a worldwide NYSE company with a market cap of $63 billion Art_from_Ark May 2014 #40

It isn't a question of scientists publishing deliberately false studies. It's a question of studies pnwmom May 2014 #78

Nonsense mindem May 2014 #105

Monsanto is NOT smaller than Whole Foods. MohRokTah May 2014 #117

Sorry, smaller would be the wrong word... Dr Hobbitstein May 2014 #164

this simply reinforces my main point.... mike_c May 2014 #47

consensus? wisechoice May 2014 #42

They are not scientific organizations! alp227 May 2014 #45

your colrful post means nothing wisechoice May 2014 #61

Note: "advocacy" alp227 May 2014 #62

not so much.... mike_c May 2014 #49

Your post was alerted on - jury unanimously said LEAVE IT: Skip Intro May 2014 #22

A personal thank you to Skip Intro and the Jurors. airplaneman May 2014 #166

I want all foods properly labeled. Very shifty and dishonest of any Corp. against full disclosure. Sunlei May 2014 #23

Yes, consumers should know they're buying a product that Roundup was used Cha May 2014 #31

I don't have any disagreement with that.... mike_c May 2014 #44

Gotta disagree rpannier May 2014 #14

It's not just in Korea. Independent researchers in the US have also been prevented pnwmom May 2014 #26

This pamphlet from the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare Art_from_Ark May 2014 #41

There is a series hole in your logic. The people that want GMO labeling want it so they rhett o rick May 2014 #16

Why don't people want every hybrid technology labeled? Why just GMOs? HuckleB May 2014 #98

That should be a Monsanto commercial... daschess1987 May 2014 #17

where did you hear me say anything at all positive about Monsanto? mike_c May 2014 #52

Really? billhicks76 May 2014 #18

And just because the FDA during the Reagan administration decided that henceforth pnwmom May 2014 #27

yes, as a matter of fact it is.... mike_c May 2014 #46

Thanks for the info billhicks76 May 2014 #96

There is a study that disputes their safety BrotherIvan May 2014 #112

I presume you've read the paper.... mike_c May 2014 #116

That assumes a very healthy patient BrotherIvan May 2014 #118

Wow! Enthusiast May 2014 #34

Other than anecdotal observations, this premise is based on precisely what? LanternWaste May 2014 #53

The reverse is true of products labeled "organic" Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #70

i remember when GMO was first coming out scientists were genetically modifying rice to contain more dionysus May 2014 #165

, blkmusclmachine May 2014 #9

If they were certain the food was safe, they would have GMO plastered on the labels. MohRokTah May 2014 #10

Because the anti-GMO types have POISONED that word! alp227 May 2014 #21

NO, because the companies producing the shit have NO CONFIDENCE MohRokTah May 2014 #38

"Fear! Fear! Fear!" HuckleB May 2014 #99

We are so powerful!! roody May 2014 #103

If they were certain the food would safe, they would give independent researchers pnwmom May 2014 #29

Thank you, PNWMom. Some things are so clear cut and easy to see... Ecumenist May 2014 #84

You know when I was in the middle east Mbrow May 2014 #19

And, don't forget Mexico is smart enough to kick Cha May 2014 #32

Well... Unknown Beatle May 2014 #24

And let independent researchers use their seeds in research and publish their results freely. pnwmom May 2014 #28

Why label something that is safe? alp227 May 2014 #48

Yes, the burden of proof DOES fall on the food companies. MohRokTah May 2014 #58

The reason the burden of proof doesn't fall on the food companies is because of the Reagan- pnwmom May 2014 #76

Why not force-feed something that is safe? JackRiddler May 2014 #87

What is your economic relationship roody May 2014 #104

Follow the money Dorian Gray May 2014 #36

Does this smell like TPP? pangaia May 2014 #37

I think it could be part of it - TBF May 2014 #64

They should all be wearing suits with a Monsanto coat of arms badge. L0oniX May 2014 #50

Well, I suppose that the food industry is concerned that MineralMan May 2014 #51

That they fight the labeling tells me there's more to it than they are willing to disclose. MohRokTah May 2014 #59

Exactly! BrotherIvan May 2014 #109

Yes, just as they've fought other labeling, such as allergy labeling. pnwmom May 2014 #77

Just take a look at this thread to see why. jeff47 May 2014 #97

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB May 2014 #101

What is your financial relationship roody May 2014 #106

I don't have one. HuckleB May 2014 #107

Why are you so committed to denying roody May 2014 #114

Why are you so committed to labeling something that is meaningless? HuckleB May 2014 #121

Obviously, it means something to many people? roody May 2014 #130

No, the issue is very different from the anti-climate change debate. pnwmom May 2014 #108

Nope, that's not a difference at all. jeff47 May 2014 #122

This researcher of 30 years USED to agree with you. pnwmom May 2014 #134

And there's climate scientists that USED to agree with the consensus. jeff47 May 2014 #138

Did you even bother to read the article? You can read her direct quotes. And if Monsanto pnwmom May 2014 #141

Monsanto is not all GMOs jeff47 May 2014 #144

Monsanto is the biggest and the most powerful, and it's funding the fight pnwmom May 2014 #147

And yet, the fact that your article doesn't work at all jeff47 May 2014 #151

You haven't done anything to prove that PhD scientist is wrong. pnwmom May 2014 #162

Then they should eb PROUD to stick a 24 point font label of GMO on their products. MohRokTah May 2014 #111

Only if you aren't paying attention to this thread. jeff47 May 2014 #123

How is not eating GMO food hurting ANYBODY? MohRokTah May 2014 #124

I already gave that example. jeff47 May 2014 #125

I don't care. It's worth sacrificing the environmental benefits to avoid any potential risks. MohRokTah May 2014 #126

You should probably re-read and re-think that subject line. jeff47 May 2014 #129

Again, laughable bullshit. You need to rethink what you are saying. MohRokTah May 2014 #132

No, what I'm saying is backed up by science. jeff47 May 2014 #135

I DO understand the process for making a GMO. MohRokTah May 2014 #137

If you did understand it jeff47 May 2014 #139

IT's not the DNA itself that I am concerned about. MohRokTah May 2014 #142

So now you're claiming our digestive tract un-hardboils eggs. jeff47 May 2014 #146

Nice way to put words I never said into my mouth MohRokTah May 2014 #150

They have to survive digestion if they're going to do anything in the human. jeff47 May 2014 #154

You really are clueless MohRokTah May 2014 #156

If only you'd bothered with the last 3 words. jeff47 May 2014 #158

The protein is not inserted. The plant itself produces the protein. MohRokTah May 2014 #160

One final point. MohRokTah May 2014 #163

One last point. I am not advocating banning GMO food. MohRokTah May 2014 #127

You are advocating the impossible. jeff47 May 2014 #131

That's the biggest pile of bull I've ever seen posted here. MohRokTah May 2014 #133

No, you really don't know what GMO means. jeff47 May 2014 #136

There are a variety of techniques, but specifics would require a book. As shortened as possible... MohRokTah May 2014 #140

Too bad you left off the important part. jeff47 May 2014 #143

Insertion is the most complex part and that is why I cut it off. MohRokTah May 2014 #145

Nah, it's actually pretty simple to provide a message-board quality jeff47 May 2014 #149

Again, putting words in my mouth that I never said. MohRokTah May 2014 #152

If that were true, everyone would see it. jeff47 May 2014 #155

So people who contract stomach cancer after twenty years of dipping snuff had no effects from their MohRokTah May 2014 #157

Why are you running away? jeff47 May 2014 #159

And now youve built the strawman. MohRokTah May 2014 #161

As others have noted...so much for states' rights.... Swede Atlanta May 2014 #60

I'm not into woo in general - TBF May 2014 #63

Good for you, so glad you told us that. JackRiddler May 2014 #68

Rude replies for wanting labels on food? TBF May 2014 #82

Associating it with "woo" is playing into their hands JackRiddler May 2014 #85

I miss the days when I could come on this TBF May 2014 #88

If you're tired of people putting others in boxes, then why do you do the same pnwmom May 2014 #89

There is no big conspiracy to taint our minds with fluoride... JackRiddler May 2014 #91

Fluoride doesn't cause defects - study HuckleB May 2014 #167

Monsanto has succeeded in its strategy to control all the research pnwmom May 2014 #72

I think you misunderstood my post - TBF May 2014 #81

But why did you use the word woo? n/t pnwmom May 2014 #83

I have a right to know if my food was made by Franciscan monks. mathematic May 2014 #80

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB May 2014 #100

I don't understand your analogy. The producers of non-GMO's are happy to label their products. pnwmom May 2014 #110

That would require me to actually look for Franciscan monk labeled food. mathematic May 2014 #113

I agree. Let the free market decide -- with labeling. pnwmom May 2014 #119

Your anaology is laughable. eom MohRokTah May 2014 #128

Hahahaha. DemocraticWing May 2014 #148

Progressives support GMO labeling. roody May 2014 #102