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In reply to the discussion: As a gay man, I think this privilege debate is kind of ridiculous. [View all]Chathamization
(1,638 posts)89. As much as the quote I posted was "describing an actual phenomenon"
You seem to be able to understand the problem with saying that if a middle-class black person is being told that they need to admit they're privileged by a middle-class white person, and the black person responds by bringing up racism, then they're just trying to weasel out. Do you disagree that such a dismissive statement is evidence that the white person is blind to their own privilege, and as such probably shouldn't be lecturing others about it? Likewise, do you understand why those here who are blind to their socioeconomic privilege (among other privileges) and make dismissive remarks probably aren't the best people to be lecturing others about how they need to admit they're privileged?
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Yes, but in this particular context, the relevant question is how others perceive you . . .
markpkessinger
May 2014
#144
I get your point, but I kind of think you're not getting the concept of privilege.
marmar
May 2014
#6
Of course it's greater than race. Race privilege is one form, class privilege is another.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#103
I bet you whites have a higher % of getting out of poverty than blacks.
Drunken Irishman
May 2014
#127
"if you don't have hands-on experience with something, you need to sit down and shut up and listen
kwassa
May 2014
#125
Except that they aren't true -at all-, and had they been followed historically, most...
Shandris
May 2014
#131
Do you think straight people have some cultural advantages as a result of being straight
Squinch
May 2014
#13
I don't believe there is anything about the gay experience a straight person couldn't understand.
Kurska
May 2014
#14
I do, many I know had never considered that partners can be shut out by the family if their loved
bettyellen
May 2014
#18
Whose goal? If I am looking at your life and saying, "Oh, you're saying I don't understand
Squinch
May 2014
#28
Are you aware this is about societal issues that effect millions of Americans, and not you?
bettyellen
May 2014
#15
what you do not recognize is that people do not judge others on their merits, but by race and sex
bettyellen
May 2014
#53
Is it personal because you really didn't know that this color blind Utopia does not exist?
bettyellen
May 2014
#60
well either you had been living a grand illusion or kept your head in the sand willfully.....
bettyellen
May 2014
#63
Why is it so hard to figure out that class, race, gender and sexuality are not the same?
BainsBane
May 2014
#27
Okay. If a button existed to make you a BLACK Jewish gay man, would you press it?
Scootaloo
May 2014
#32
I agree that much of the time, the "Damn you, you are so privileged!" threads tend to be a waste
quinnox
May 2014
#35
I agree. People frequently jump to the wrong conclusions, and I'm sure I've been guilty of that.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#124
"I deserve to be judged as human being, not as the sum total of the negative or social advantages
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#42
I just wish some people wouldn't fight so hard against (what seem to me) basic progressive ideas.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#58
Monty Python- Four Yorkshireman. "You try to tell the young people today that & they won't believe
KittyWampus
May 2014
#50
Fantastic post. You put it so succintly, yet there are still those who will willfully misunderstand.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#59
Can't really say that the bourgeoisplaining that invariably pops up helps much either
Chathamization
May 2014
#71
Class is an important factor too. Probably just as important as race, in its own way.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#75
"It doesn't mean that well-off people who are black can just say 'I'm black' and weasel out of this
Chathamization
May 2014
#82
I was describing an actual phenomenon on DU. If you don't perceive it, then okay.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#83
Yes, we all have advantages and disadvantages, and we all have blind spots.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#91
No one is completely off the hook. But again, I encourage you to switch around the privileges in
Chathamization
May 2014
#108
I think you've somewhat misinterpreted what I said, but I will try to be more mindful.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#123
i think white people who live in all white areas find white privilege hard to understand, and wealth
dionysus
May 2014
#74
Too bad you find the debate around the oppression of blacks by whites ridiculous.
bravenak
May 2014
#77
"Very self-centered" is right. I think that's a huge part of the problem right there.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#90
You're white. You're bad. Male? Fuck you. Accept the privelige you've been given.
cherokeeprogressive
May 2014
#81
But does the larger society perceive you as a "white" man? That makes a difference, like it or not.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#85
If you're perceived as white, then that impacts how other people treat you. It's just reality.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#92
You and I share many identities, so I hope I communicate this correctly.
Behind the Aegis
May 2014
#101
As another gay man, I don't think you get the concept of "privilege" in a social justice context
markpkessinger
May 2014
#145
Excellent post (yours and his). I find the phrase "class-stratified survival behaviors" particularly
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#151