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aikoaiko

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3. Sure, but its surprising how many do.

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Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:59 PM

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You can totally oppose the death penalty while having zero empathy for murderers and rapists. [View all] Nye Bevan Apr 2014 OP

Thank you. K & R Coventina Apr 2014 #1

The empathy op was clearly a failure and not based in reality. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #2

Sure, but its surprising how many do. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #3

I would not say zero empathy. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #4

i agree sympathy might be a better term but with that change, zero is still a possible amount unblock Apr 2014 #5

Well said; I agree... (nt) petronius Apr 2014 #9

It's not about the felon, but the victim lbrtbell Apr 2014 #87

What about the fact that many "felons" Live and Learn May 2014 #106

Part of my problem is rehabilitation isn't even being given a chance in most states now davidpdx May 2014 #109

Very well put LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #129

I had an conversation with a Korean student at the university I teach at here davidpdx May 2014 #110

i don't think the pro-death penalty people are forgetting the victim. unblock May 2014 #113

Its about all the victims, not just that one LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #131

+1000 nt Live and Learn May 2014 #146

This.... dhill926 Apr 2014 #6

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #7

+1 gollygee Apr 2014 #8

+1 nt Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #11

Friedrich Nietzsche .... oldhippie Apr 2014 #68

...and probably fat, too. From South Germany, I bet. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #81

ad hom. defacto7 May 2014 #101

Nietzsche was an asshole. But the validity of his statement holds regardless. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #88

Toucher! defacto7 May 2014 #102

ad hominem defacto7 May 2014 #100

How so? oldhippie May 2014 #115

It was meant with tongue in cheek, defacto7 May 2014 #144

Ok, I get you ... oldhippie May 2014 #145

Thank you. myrna minx May 2014 #139

The Death Penalty was never about what the criminal deserves knightmaar Apr 2014 #10

"foolish notion" by holly near niyad Apr 2014 #80

+1 Cha May 2014 #107

k&r uppityperson Apr 2014 #12

Absolutely leftynyc Apr 2014 #13

Yes. I have been unalterably opposed to the death penalty since MineralMan Apr 2014 #14

+1 nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #17

+1 mac56 Apr 2014 #33

Well said. nt. MH1 Apr 2014 #71

If they're wrong -- and so many have been -- there is no 'taking it back' Rhythm Apr 2014 #94

I not only oppose the death penalty, SheilaT Apr 2014 #15

I've been trying to make exactly this point. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #16

Good post, thanks. I hadn't seen it (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #19

I don't agree with you very often. But on this, I do. PeaceNikki Apr 2014 #18

Thanks. elleng Apr 2014 #20

K&R Tribalceltic Apr 2014 #21

Agree wholeheartedly Piasladic Apr 2014 #22

That's my take, actually. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #23

My feelings too loyalsister Apr 2014 #41

Indeed... +1 hlthe2b Apr 2014 #24

I wonder, how many people who support the death penalty passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #25

That is how I usually put it to someone who is OwnedByCats May 2014 #147

Agreed, on all points. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #26

on an unrelated matter.. Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #27

That's different ... oldhippie Apr 2014 #69

I don't like it. ZombieHorde May 2014 #126

Completely agree..... Swede Atlanta Apr 2014 #28

My opposition to the death penalty is faith based too. mwooldri Apr 2014 #49

Wonderful response! +1 RufusTFirefly May 2014 #96

That is sad. It is not a difficult concept, it is unethical to execute people for any crime, period. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #29

Not only unethical, but there is no absolute need to execute anyone. WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2014 #57

Exactly...thank you.n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #58

Proud to K and R RufusTFirefly Apr 2014 #30

I am pretty much a bleeding heart when it comes to the justice system. alarimer Apr 2014 #31

What is your opinion on Life Without the Possibility of Parole (LWOP)? BlueEye Apr 2014 #32

I agree that LWOP is an appropriate sentence for the worst criminals. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #37

Good points. BlueEye Apr 2014 #39

Life in prison without parole is often a much better punishment IronLionZion Apr 2014 #34

Then, that kinda sounds like you support torture ... oldhippie Apr 2014 #70

It sounds like you support pure bullshit IronLionZion Apr 2014 #86

I'm pretty sure pipi_k May 2014 #118

Good rationalization .... oldhippie May 2014 #119

So what's your solution? pipi_k May 2014 #121

Solution to what? oldhippie May 2014 #123

Well this started pipi_k May 2014 #128

I can see the confusion ..... oldhippie May 2014 #130

OK... pipi_k May 2014 #132

And that's why .... oldhippie May 2014 #141

hear, hear! Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #35

you can also use the d.p. and still be civilized leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #36

I disagree that strapping someone to a gurney and forcibly injecting them with poison Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #38

No, that is not at all possible. A well mannered society does not find excuses to execute people. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #42

It's not civilized just because we paralyze them so they can't scream. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2014 #43

Totally disagree RufusTFirefly Apr 2014 #44

Raping and killing an ELEVEN MONTH old child should be cause for dismissal... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #63

How about someone who rapes and kills an older child, or an adult? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #75

Capacity for self-defense would be a consideration. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #85

Say someone rapes then murders a 20 year old woman who is too paralyzed with fear to defend herself. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #89

Good for you. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #93

Yes, these are difficult questions, Nye Bevan May 2014 #97

That is an opinion etherealtruth Apr 2014 #64

Only if you redefine "civilized" first. n/t flvegan Apr 2014 #67

No you can't. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #83

I was on the fence regarding this issue for many years. Chemisse Apr 2014 #40

I was as well and decided firmly I was against it davidpdx May 2014 #108

k&r... spanone Apr 2014 #45

Not all progressives and liberals are the same IkeRepublican Apr 2014 #46

On an intellectual level azmom Apr 2014 #47

Your instinct is entirely understandable. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #51

I think it's a good thing azmom Apr 2014 #54

But it isn't up to family members of the victims. That's not the justice system. kcr Apr 2014 #73

We have a justice system that for azmom Apr 2014 #76

Would you, personally, be prepared to perform the execution? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #78

I think I could azmom May 2014 #116

There's nothing difficult about it. What you want is essentially a lynch mob kcr May 2014 #134

Pretty much how I see it. 840high Apr 2014 #84

There is nothing wrong with feeling that way. whopis01 Apr 2014 #56

I don't see it as revenge at all azmom Apr 2014 #62

It's convenient to rationalize opinions by being a little bit creative with definitions. kcr Apr 2014 #74

It would be azmom Apr 2014 #77

Your rational that they should have to die too because that's what's fair kcr May 2014 #135

Who gets to define what justice is? whopis01 Apr 2014 #79

You used the words "I...want" so it just got emotional. flvegan May 2014 #95

Vengeance is not justice. (nt) jeff47 May 2014 #140

Don't the azmom May 2014 #142

Absolutely. You can even say "Why, I'd make an exception for that 'un" and not really mean it. MADem Apr 2014 #48

BIG K&R Agony Apr 2014 #50

They also don't grasp that a lifetime in prison is worse than execution. Warpy Apr 2014 #52

I have gone back and forth a bit after the TBF Apr 2014 #53

I dont support the dp Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #55

Exactly n/t etherealtruth Apr 2014 #59

Imbedded trolls are doing what they do best. nt onehandle Apr 2014 #60

Killing is wrong. 99Forever Apr 2014 #61

There will come a day NastyRiffraff Apr 2014 #65

Great point, I Mbrow Apr 2014 #66

Good point sarisataka Apr 2014 #72

I oppose the death penalty. Too many mistakes and wrongful convictions, Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #82

Yes. SalviaBlue Apr 2014 #90

The death penalty is wrong in all cases. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2014 #91

Valar Morghulis Burf-_- Apr 2014 #92

Executions defy logic Pantagruelsmember May 2014 #98

How can having zero empathy for anyone ever be a plus? snot May 2014 #99

Sorry, but unreadierLizard May 2014 #112

It's not a plus... pipi_k May 2014 #122

The death penalty is for the purpose of defacto7 May 2014 #103

Well, yeah. Ken Burch May 2014 #104

I'm with you, Nye Bevan. K&R! Enthusiast May 2014 #105

Count me in nt MrScorpio May 2014 #111

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #114

But I think you are pipi_k May 2014 #120

The entire EU agrees with you. dipsydoodle May 2014 #117

Pleasantly surprised and enormously gratified JayhawkSD May 2014 #124

I totally agree! No matter what my anger is toward people who do others, doing the same thing... DesertDiamond May 2014 #125

I agree that the death penalty is savage in general. I also agree that humans are affected Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #127

agree completely nt steve2470 May 2014 #133

Accused, tried and convicted murderers. Orsino May 2014 #136

Yes, nuance is difficult for some. nt SunSeeker May 2014 #137

Don't you know EVERYONE who is pro-cat MUST BE anti-dog? Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #138

That is dangerous thinking there... Riftaxe May 2014 #143