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Samantha

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28. You make too many good points to respond to each so I will just share a few random thoughts
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:09 PM
Apr 2014

I do take my responsibility to vote very seriously, and I show up at the polls. But in all honesty, if the day arrived when two candidates for president were running and I held both in contempt, I am not at all sure I could convince myself to vote for either. So far that has not happened, but it just might one day unless the Democrats experience some sort of miraculous political reawakening and return to classic Democratic values. Were that to happen that with two candidates had unacceptable positions on important issues and weak moral fiber that I just could not vote for either, I think I would remember that civics lesson.

But there is nothing more important in politics and voting than doing one's homework before following through with a voting decision.

I often think of Nader saying during election 2000 there was no difference between Bush and Gore. I wonder what he thinks about that statement now. I personally was horrified to hear him repeatedly say that, but I do my own research. I was very familiar with the histories of both of these men, and I knew that was a huge misrepresentation (I will be polite here).

I wonder when I hear Jeb Bush is thinking of running, does he honestly believe half this Country has forgotten his behavior (and his lies) during that debacle and that we would possibly consider voting for him? So many problems we have in this Country today, 14 years later, we are experiencing from the George W. Bush* fingerprints in office. Jeb enabled that to happen, violating the Constitution all along the way. Fourteen years is not long enough to forgive and forget.

There are very few things in life one should consider are "win at all costs" -- and stealing elections is not one of those things.

When it comes to being able to respect someone even though they have different personal political leanings, one of the people who is among the top five people I most respect, is former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, who is a Republican. He was appointed by Gerald Ford to replace William O. Douglas. In his dissent to the Bush v. Gore majority decision, he wrote the words that actually soothed my soul, meaning I knew when I read them a Republican was confirming my anxiety and distress were well justified. What a man of courage:

It is confidence in the men and women who administer the judicial system that is the true backbone of the rule of law. Time will one day heal the wound to that confidence that will be inflicted by today’s decision. One thing, however, is certain. Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year’s Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the Nation’s confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZD.html

Of course, with things as they are now, sometimes it just easy to look at the different positions on important issues, and make it an issue election. But with the amount of wholesale lying, coupled with the "performance art" of being a politician, it does get very murky at times, doesn't it? But people like Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Al Franken, Wendy Davis give me hope.

Always a pleasure chatting with you, H20 Man. You keep things provocative but civil.

Sam

DU Hedge School [View all] H2O Man Apr 2014 OP
A non punitive atmosphere would help a lot Warpy Apr 2014 #1
One thing I've learned, H2O Man Apr 2014 #3
This of course is true, because the RWers started their march to success by Nay Apr 2014 #31
Very well said. H2O Man Apr 2014 #32
Excellent. Thanks for posting this. n/t DirkGently Apr 2014 #2
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2014 #4
"...it is possible that we can elevate the tone of those discussions." Anything is possible. scarletwoman Apr 2014 #5
Oh, you are right, H2O Man Apr 2014 #8
Very good read mwyn8 Apr 2014 #6
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2014 #11
Civics 101 - you have the right to abstain from voting Samantha Apr 2014 #7
Except in Australia n/t malthaussen Apr 2014 #9
In Australia, if you abstain, you pay a fine... liam_laddie Apr 2014 #24
Obviously, they do not take civics tenets seriously there Samantha Apr 2014 #29
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2014 #13
H2OMan CottonBear Apr 2014 #26
You make too many good points to respond to each so I will just share a few random thoughts Samantha Apr 2014 #28
Recommend...The OP, Your Replies...and particularly KoKo Apr 2014 #38
Like your comment about feudalism... malthaussen Apr 2014 #10
Well said! H2O Man Apr 2014 #14
and thank you for a clear and honest post. Well said! mountain grammy Apr 2014 #12
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2014 #15
As long as the Democrats have control of Congress PeoViejo Apr 2014 #16
Important point. H2O Man Apr 2014 #17
A person who doesn't plan to vote for the D nominee is only superficially a democrat. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #18
That's one point H2O Man Apr 2014 #20
0. DU Hedge School The CCC Apr 2014 #19
Well said. H2O Man Apr 2014 #21
good thought-provoking stuff bigtree Apr 2014 #22
Outstanding! H2O Man Apr 2014 #33
Thanky, H20 Man! countryjake Apr 2014 #23
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2014 #34
Great post! blackspade Apr 2014 #25
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2014 #35
Anyone who plans to not vote for Warren if she's the nominee ought not be posting here cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #27
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2014 #36
K & R Raksha Apr 2014 #30
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2014 #37
That's why they don't put real newspaper in check out lines. grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #39
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